5th Year seniors had to "audition" during spring practice

Submitted by The Mad Hatter on

This bummed out Keith Heitzman, which led to his transfer to Ohio University.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2015/07/22/ex-wolverine-heitzman-turned-off--tryout-under-harbaugh/30510509/

 

We've all heard some buzz about 5th years not being invited back, but this is the first time I've heard that there was a formal try out process.

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:50 PM ^

to graduate in five years. They use those summer sessions to spread out their schedules, not an extra year. They have to meet NCAA standards for credit hours and making progress towards a degree. Schools get dinged hard in the APR when players leave after four years and don't graduate. Also, to take advantage of the grad transfer exception the player must have his degree.

Rabbit21

July 23rd, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

My take on players being able to graduate in four years is this, counting on a fifth year to get your degree is a big risk and I have a feeling players who know they're at risk of not getting that fifth year probably figure it out within the first couple of years and can start to make an academic plan that gets them to a degree within four years while taking advantage of the summer sessions.  I can't imagine there isn't a support system in place in which they are told what their academic options are and given staright talk as to what they need to do and should plan for.  I think at some point natural sympathy for the time commitments they are asked to fulfill has to be balanced against the realization that people have to be held responsible for the choices they make, even if conditions aren't ideal.

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:41 PM ^

the scenario you describe with Urban Meyer. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Beyond that, it's annoying how some posters are so eager to jump to Urban Meyer's defense for imaginary slights. It's a rival's board. If OSU's coach never got any unwarranted criticism here, that would be extraordinary.

lilpenny1316

July 22nd, 2015 at 11:58 AM ^

I was always nervous under a new coach because I knew my job was in jeopardy.  It made me work harder.  I don't understand what the issue is if Harbaugh didn't revoke his scholarship.

youn2948

July 22nd, 2015 at 11:58 AM ^

I support it but understand how a player could be upset thinking his 4 years meant nothing.

End entitlement.  Promote a meritocracy.  Destroy the Utes.

 

Hope he gets to make some plays against The Ohio.

Armbuster

July 22nd, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^

You were lying to yourself about who was wearing those Khakis. Harbaugh is here to win. Period. No free rides, no holdover handouts, no hand-holding. Everyone knew there would be attrition, its a new era, and no one is owed anything.

MichiganTeacher

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:00 PM ^

I haven't ever been on the inside of a big-time D1 football program, but this seems to me like a "Duh, of course that's what you do" type of thing. You've had your four years, so now if you want to stay, you tryout. That's kind of what athletic teams do, right?

In reply to by MichiganTeacher

funkywolve

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^

If you're eligible for a 5th year, your first 4 years are essentially a tryout to see if you'll be granted a 5th year.  Harbaugh wasn't here for these guys first 4 years so all he had was film to see what they did in games and then in spring practice to see how hard they work, attitude, coachability, etc.

ColsBlue

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:02 PM ^

I think this is perfectly fine.  There is enough tape of these kids and some coaching holdover, so that the "try-out" is probably a formality.  Like a job evaluation for an underperforming employee.  They're unlikely to keep their job/position on the team, but you need a mechanism to justify that decision.  For a potential fifth year, this should be an expected part of the process.  I bet most of them already know whether they'll be back, or not.  

carlos spicywiener

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:08 PM ^

A former 2 star with not much track record of contributing on the field is "bummed out" a new coaching staff wants him to prove his worth?

Ok man, don't let the door hit you on the way out, and be sure to invite the rest of the country club members to leave with you.

You'll notice that big schools aren't exactly beating down the door for your services. Enjoy MAC football.

wahooverine

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^

This is true. The "I was bummed out" comment really illustrates the entitlement.  It sounds like Heiztman thought he belonged just by virtue having been around for 4 years and feared having to prove his worth.  When your companies president is fired and replaced changes are made and your spot isn't guaranteed. This is no different. In fact isn't customary that 5th years are discretionary? At least a try out gives you the opportunity to earn a spot rather than the coach just deciding based on film or reputation.

mgoblue0970

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:53 PM ^

Why is it hilarious?

You know what is even more hilarious?  Lions fans!  Supporting a loser for 53 years.  1 playoff victory in all that time, 0-16, and the best running back ever to play the game just up and quitting cause he couldn't take it anymore.

Of course though, if the refs would have called that pass interference penalty, it would have been totally different... and don't forget it's Matt Millen's fault (he was the GM for 53 years?) /s

MCast

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:05 PM ^

I have no problem with this. Harbaugh should be reevaluating the previous regimes players. Heitzman comes across as entitled in the article. Did he even try out? Was he afraid to be evaluated? I say good riddance, it's time to change the culture.  

TheFugitive

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:11 PM ^

If Immortan Joe was a coach, he would withhold water like in the good ol days.. That's the best way to prepare the men for Valhalla!

 

uminks

July 22nd, 2015 at 3:56 PM ^

It almost sounds as if Hoke was running some sort of country club here! Players not being coached well or working hard to improve themselves. I'm glad those days are over! Just hope some of our talented players can finally shine under Harbaugh!

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^

That was just pure speculation from people who knew nothing about how Hackett and Schlissel would operate. It seemed obvious at the time that Hoke was done for after Minnesota. It's even more obvious in hindsight that keeping an underperforming Hoke was never part of Hackett's vision for Michigan football. 

Jevy

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:07 PM ^

This isn't a big deal to me. 5th year seniors should be use to having to compete for a spot. He doesn't seem too upset and he knew changes were coming. At least Keith didn't bad mouth the program, I'll be rooting for him at Ohio!

Surveillance Doe

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:08 PM ^

All fifth-year seniors at all programs have to try out. Your try-out might have been the previous four years, or it might have been shorter than that. But I'm not aware of any program that guarantees five years. That fifth year is offered to those who have earned a spot.

Wendyk5

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

After playing on the A team his freshman year, my son had to try out again for the A team - same group of players- during the summer league, even after proving his worth in the spring. Such is life. It teaches him that he has to work every day.

LSA Superstar

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:17 PM ^

If this story was about Ohio State, this message board would not unanimously support this practice.

Personally, I'm not sure.  I think it might bum me out too.

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^

Other than their local paper being the source of the story? If our standard is that anything some of our fanbase would criticize OSU for is wrong, then practically everything is wrong. If this story was about OSU, I think the people criticizing them here would be a small minority.

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 7:58 PM ^

When it was about Charlie Strong and Texas he had as much support here as Harbaugh, if not more. And that was a much more analagous situation.

I disagree with your other point too. People consistently bring up our criticism of OSU as a way to criticize our own program. It's annoying and it's not inadvertent. You're right about Saban, because people do that as well. Anything they do are lightning rods for criticism here.

Have Saban and OSU earned the same benefit of the doubt for their ethics we'd give Harbaugh and Michigan? If this happened at UCLA or Washington or Kansas State the two main two reactions on the board would be "So what?" and "This is a terrible topic".

Gr1mlock

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:17 PM ^

You mean Harbaugh made his players compete to prove they were worthy of a spot on his team?  Truly a shocking revelation this is.  Never would have expected that from him.  

wildbackdunesman

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^

Did anyone else notice how it was the Columbus Dispatch that sought out Heitzman for the interview of why he transferred, as if they were looking for dirt?  I wonder if the Free Press is too afraid of Harbaugh to invent dirt to sell more papers.

saveferris

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^

Honestly, why do stories like this only pop up with regards to players who came up under the "old" regime of Michigan football?  This strikes me as more of an idictment to the culture pervasive in the late-Carr and Hoke coaching eras.

991GT3

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^

COMPETITON! He lives by this principle and the sooner all his players and coaches embrace this concept the sooner they will win.

BlueRy

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

If you're a 5th year player and have yet to contribute significantly, then it's time to turn attention towards younger players that can impact the future trajectory of the program.  I have no problem with this.  The players had the opportunity to earn their degrees and they've been here for four years.

Our play in recent years has been soft and entitled... as if walking on the field in maize and blue is enough to earn wins.  That was not just a gameday issue - it was a reflection of the personality of the program.  Wearing the winged helmet is a privilege, not a right.  I don't want to ever see my alma mater stoop to unethical behavior.  However, I have no problem with decisions that change our past culture of entitlement.