Opinion piece from Kelly Lytle, Rob's son

Submitted by SBayBlue on February 5th, 2023 at 5:51 PM

This is an opinion piece from Kelly Lytle, Rob Lytle's son. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/02/05/my-father-played-nfl-super-bowl-football-caused-death/11129114002/

I share the same draw to football as Kelly, as well as the same thought that we enjoy the game we love so much while we also know that so many will be affected so brutally after their days of football are over by CTE and other ailments. 

A couple of things really changed my mind on the effects of the game:

1) Reading an article on Conrad Dobler, the meanest man in the NFL, who was later reduced to a shell of himself because of knee and back issues. He was one the players who was screwed over by the owners and the players association for not giving him the healthcare he needed in his later years.

2) When Mike Ditka, another tough guy, was interviewed and he said that knowing what he knows now, that he wouldn't let his own son play football. That pretty much wrapped it up for me.

Sorry this is a bit of a buzzkill, but I sometimes feel guilty for loving college football so much.

scanner blue

February 5th, 2023 at 7:07 PM ^

a few years ago they had Rob Lytle's helmet on display up in the suites. This was from after the Rose Bowl his senior year. It was beat to hell and had chunks missing.  He lead with his head as a matter of course.

 

DennisFranklinDaMan

February 5th, 2023 at 7:32 PM ^

I mean, I don't know what you mean by "never" -- it's certainly "meant" to be played that way now.

But I'm only being contrary, and I get your point. :-)

It's interesting to think that college football started essentially as what would now be considered a "club" sport, played by students, who enjoyed playing the game with each other, the way my roommates and I played basketball at the little half court on South U just past Washtenaw like ... twice a day all, all through college. Just buddies enjoying the competition and challenge.

Once money got involved, of course ... the size and speed -- kids living their lives in pursuit of being bigger/faster -- was inevitable.

I wonder what it would take for our country finally to rein it in, as we did with bare-knuckle brawling and bear-baiting? How much absolute carnage are we wiling to tolerate in the name of "entertainment"?

(I fear the answer, in this day where gambling, marijuana, and pornography have all become expressly legal across the country (more or less). A general consensus about morality seems old-fashioned. Let loose the gladiators and lions.)

Bread and circuses, my friends. Bread and circuses.

Rhino77

February 5th, 2023 at 7:26 PM ^

Football is like smoking at this point. We know the risks. (I played college football and smoked for 11 years)
 

That being said I cringe at youth football leagues. Viral videos of young kids laying out other kids. We know better, or we should. 

BoFan

February 5th, 2023 at 8:44 PM ^

This is a great analogy.  The tobacco industry hid the risks from smokers for decades. Cigarettes were eventuality tested and various other toxins were discovered. Eventuality the industry was held, though only partially, accountable. Kids aren’t allowed to smoke legally. Regulators limited what could go in a cigarette. Money was spent to dramatically increase the awareness of the risks. Some people will still smoke  There is a high correlation between a lack of education and smoking.  Some people don’t care or have an aversion to facts and data  

The NFL and the football industry hid the risks as well, and they refused to cover the long term medical costs. Coaches encourage players to not just tackle a player but make it brutally hurt and, often, injure them, injure them under the pile, and knock the star player out of the game.  Now we can measure CTE and we have more data on long term physical damage. The NFL should be accountable for long term health costs of all players. Players and coaches, ass holes, like Sean Payton should be permanently banned and when not banned penalties should be severe enough to where players fear losing their job.  Additional safeguards can be put in place to make the game less violent.  Money could be spent so that the risks are clearly communicated to all communities. 

JFW

February 6th, 2023 at 11:26 AM ^

I hate those too. I'm not sure how widespread it is. I helped coach youth (up to 8th grade) football for a few years when my son played, and we were really careful about safety in contact drills. The head coach was fantastic in setting the tone. Of course, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen in other places. 

gustave ferbert

February 5th, 2023 at 8:36 PM ^

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it someone like Fritz Crisler who objected to face masks on helmets? 

He believed it change the nature of the game and how players hit?  

He conceded there would be broken noses and lost teeth, but it would pale in comparison to the concussions and all the damage we are seeing in today's game? 

BoFan

February 5th, 2023 at 9:10 PM ^

I’m not sure of your point.  I assume you are not arguing that because Fritz said this that it makes injuries ok. 

Because who cares what Fritz thought.  It’s a different game today and we have more data. Plus that was a different era.  Think about what it was like from 1937 to 1948.  Human rights, the health, welfare, and equal rights of all people, wasn’t a global issue until after the war and the founding of the UN.  The UN didn’t passed the declaration on human rights until 1948. 

UMxWolverines

February 5th, 2023 at 8:46 PM ^

Rob Lytle is probably one of the best players in Michigan history that isnt talked about enough. What a beast. Made All American as a fullback!

It is a brutal sport, and can only be made so safe, but some people/kids will always play it. 

I probably wouldnt let my kid play tackle until high school though. 

East German Judge

February 5th, 2023 at 9:31 PM ^

Football is a very rough and physically demanding game to say the least. 

And first off, it is a criminal SHAME that the NFL does not provide lifetime healthcare to older players and I hope that has changed or will change as we all know the league can easily afford it. 

Secondly, I am hoping that all the recent awareness over the last few years regarding concussions, and proper protocols, will reduce the long term percentage of players who either meet an early death or suffer debilitating injuries and/or shortened lifespans.  We hear way too many stories how in the olden days players just got up, dusted themselves off and went back out there.  

I'mTheStig

February 6th, 2023 at 9:37 AM ^

And first off, it is a criminal SHAME that the NFL does not provide lifetime healthcare to older players and I hope that has changed or will change as we all know the league can easily afford it. 

Agree 100%.

I've never been one to tell another what they can do with their money.

But player safety and care issues are a small drop in the bucket. 

I wonder if this is something the NFLPA can start pushing for and build public sentiment.

NittanyFan

February 5th, 2023 at 9:47 PM ^

This is a bit tangential ...... but I heard this AM on the radio that my current home state (California) is making girl's flag football an official high school sport for the 2023-24 academic year.  California becomes the 8th high school federation to do so (AL, AK, AZ, FL, GA, NV, NY).

Football IS a very popular sport amongst fans --- and that fandom is growing.  But participation numbers are down considerably in most states at the high school level, and the CTE reasons are at the top of the list as to why.  

Growing fandom and shrinking participation are contradictory to each other and that's arguably unsustainable.  As such, I can see more and more of a push for flag football at the high-school level for boys also in the decades to come.

pinkfloyd2000

February 5th, 2023 at 10:28 PM ^

I love football, but if my father passed away at a very early age, directly due to football, well…I may feel VERY differently about the game. Like Kelly. That was a good read. 

Hotel Putingrad

February 5th, 2023 at 11:18 PM ^

Not that we were blessed with the physical gifts to be successful, I'm glad my dad didn't let my brother and I play football growing up.

I love to watch the game and thrill at the skill and courage of its competitors. But there's no way in hell I'd let my own child play either.

Does this make me a hypocrite? Perhaps. But I think it just makes me someone with a different risk assessment. To each his own.

HighBeta

February 5th, 2023 at 11:37 PM ^

Nor would I or did I permit either son to play anything other than touch/flag football. Younger one, he of the great wingspan, leaping ability, and soft hands was recruited hard by his HS football coach. His Mom and I said "no". Tennis, baseball, track, lacrosse, golf, flag football, etc., no problem.

Why the "no"? Their grandfather was a rooftop prize fighter; didn't age well. The kid "got it", no arguments.   

Amazinblu

February 6th, 2023 at 8:42 AM ^

My sentiment is similar.  I love collegiate athletics - and, Michigan football is a big part of it.  I enjoy college football immensely, and have friends in the coaching ranks at both the college and professional level.  I respect what they do, and the game - but, the long term effects can be overwhelming.

My son’s primary sport was soccer while my daughter was a swimmer.  Both played other sports - and did well enough to see other parts of the country in “national” level competition.

The NFL seemed to put some attention on CTE and other health impacts about a decade ago; however, that focus seems to have waned.

WestQuad

February 6th, 2023 at 7:47 AM ^

When I finished HS football in the late 80s I was disappointed that I couldn't continue playing in college.  Football had been my life from 8 to 18, but no one wanted a 5'9" lineman and I definitely wasn't going to play at Michigan.  My parents tried to console me telling me that old football players could barely walk and that they all died early.  It was best a life left to others.  

It is weird that the dangers of football are just now coming to light with CTE.  Maybe it is something that is hard to see without having seen the effects on your friends and family over decades.  It takes something dramatic like Junior Seau or Mike Utley or Demar Hamlin.   

It sucks that everything I love,  Football, Bacon, man-sized portions is really bad for you.  I miss the days of whole milk, steak and smashmouth manball.  

Wendyk5

February 6th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^

My son played flag football and then when it turned to tackle, decided he didn't want to play any more, sometime in middle school. He already played baseball so he wasn't giving up sports altogether. He played quarterback so he would've gotten hit a good amount. As someone who loves football, I would've liked to see what kind of qb he might have developed into, but as someone who loves my son more, I'm glad he didn't like getting hit. That's also why he stopped playing hockey. 

Rabbit21

February 6th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^

Don’t like it or it makes you feel guilty?

Don’t watch it.  If you can’t imagine someone you love doing it then don’t feed the beast, let the Gladiators do their thing.

I have no idea why this is so hard for people to grasp.  It’s like there’s a large group here just begging for someone to come along and solve this problem for them but not actually wanting to take any action on their own.

Football is a risky sport, but people are working really hard to make it safer.  Coaching and awareness has improved in terms of head injuries.  Personally, my son plays football and he loves it and I can’t imagine telling him not to play it because I am worried about him as I see all the good things he gets from it and remember all the good things I got from playing football, even as I am grateful that there’s better awareness around head injuries than there was when I played z Same thing goes for wrestling and watching him wrestle makes me so much more anxious than watching him play football.  But wrestling has been amazing for my sons self confidence and I can’t imagine a life where that gets taken from him because I just wanted him safe and wrapped in a bubble.  

The good comes with the bad, yes there’s risk, but there’s more and more information about how to mitigate it every year.

 

 

jimmyjoeharbaugh

February 6th, 2023 at 9:34 AM ^

I boycotted watching football for a few years maybe a decade ago. at the time, bill simmons said something along the lines of "yeah it's bad but you don't know a single person who's stopped watching," and my friends sent it to me because i was the one. 

i compare football to the modern version of the old roman gladiators/coliseum games. it is especially dark when you see how many players come from unprivileged backgrounds and see football as a way out of poverty for them and their families. 

that said, then it happened. in December of 2014, Jim Harbaugh walked into a press conference in Ann Arbor, and I've been all aboard ever since. 

so i understand Kelly Lytle's perspective in the piece. I recognize the harm in modern football but for some reason i can't stop. 

we need a national awakening of conscience on this. myself included.

JFW

February 6th, 2023 at 11:23 AM ^

I don't think it's a buzzkill. I can understand that position. 

Each parent has a choice to make, and each kid's situation is unique. 

My son loves football. It's unlikely he'd play D1 ball. He is also dealing with severe anxiety and football helps him with that. He likes the kids, he likes the sport, he has fun with it. When he plays, he's happier and healthier. The lockdowns didn't do him and his buddies any favors when it came to mental health (I'm not arguing against them, just that they had consequences we had to deal with). So, for him, I see it as a net gain, and that's okay. Heck, I remember reading about a neurosurgeon and another neurology expert who viewed it the same way. But if you are in a different situation, I totally get not wanting a kid to play football and would support your decision. And if my son was good enough to play D1 my concern would ratchet up.  You have to look out for your kid.  

As for D1 ball... I think alot of these kids know the risks going in. I think it's on adults to try to mitigate that risk as much as possible. The game can offer them alot, and certainly offers us alot. but we as fans and alums can do our best to ensure the players have the best safety and access to healthcare they can. I think UM is pretty good about that (though I'm not connected with the program, I'm just basing that on what I see). 

MRunner73

February 6th, 2023 at 11:48 AM ^

I can think of how difficult it become for Dan Dierdorf to walk. He wasn't able to do many of the away gems the last few years of his U of M broadcast tenure.

Some are saying that Tua Tagovailoa should leave the game....to name a few.

Old Alum

February 6th, 2023 at 1:06 PM ^

Thanks for posting. Rob Lytle was playing when I was at UM and this makes me sad.
Football is brutal but I watch it anyway. If I was a friend or relative of Tua's, I'd want him to retire. And I wouldn't want a child of mine to play the game. On the other hand, if a child of mine wanted to be an entertainer, I'd encourage them. 
 

 

ribby

February 11th, 2023 at 12:48 PM ^

There are a lot of sports that you can participate in lifelong, running, tennis, swimming, volleyball, basketball, even hockey with modified rules. Does anyone play recreational football as an adult, even in your thirties?

There may be a way to make football safe, short of 7 on 7 rules, but I am not optimistic.