Michigan vs. Arizona (Snowflakes) Thread

Submitted by Mr. Yost on

Tough loss. Fuck this year in Michigan sports.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

December 14th, 2013 at 3:20 PM ^

Walton starts and has a high IQ - he needs experience in a variety of game settings to learn how to control the game. PG is different in 1 respect - it's not how many minutes but which situations. He doesn't need a lot more minutes, just late game and key scoring plays. Spike should play a lot and probably start, but we'll need Walton to be able to take the reins in tight games.

True Blue 9

December 14th, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^

You do make some good points here. I'm honestly tempted to re-watch the game because it seemed to me, specifically in the 2nd half, everytime Walton was in the game, Arizona made a run and then Beilein was forced with putting Spike back in the game to settle things down. I think Walton will the PG of the future, just wish we didn't have to play him right now. Having him back up a guy like Trey or Darius for a year would be much better. Feel a lot like Derrick is getting thrown into the fire right now. 

Franz Schubert

December 14th, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

Walton was just lost on the court and Arizona went on a run every time he came in today. The offense was much better with Spike today. That may not be the case in the future but for today the dropoff was clear. Walton will be good but its going to take some time.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

December 14th, 2013 at 3:44 PM ^

playing him in shorter spurts at different stages. Walton was very comfortable and we were leading for the first 6-8 minutes with Walton. In the 2nd half, he was unsettled and then didn't play the last 10 min. Even if he plays only 1-2 min and struggles, Beilein could pull him and coach him on what he's experiencing. His issue is "game management". I don't see us going too far if the only option is Spike for the rest of the season. We need a 2nd quality PG.

cbs650

December 14th, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^

In a game like this, Walton is able to stay with their guards better and put pressure on them defensively because he will drive the ball unlike Spike who is looking to shoot from perimeter. Defense has to respect him but he doesn't put pressure on them.

GoWings2008

December 14th, 2013 at 2:36 PM ^

Dammit,dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit!!

The2nd_JEH

December 14th, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^

We just lost to the #1 team in the country by 2. Had a lead for the majority of the game. All of our losses were close, with the exception of Duke I guess. And the cliche, we are young. Teams like this grow and learn.

BlueInDallas

December 14th, 2013 at 3:50 PM ^

To win "down the stretch" you have to be able to finish games. This team has no identity on offense, no rebounding advantage, and no killer instinct. It has no low post game at all. When we absolutely need a bucket, we have no "go to" player or play. Those type of teams rarely are tough to beat down the stretch. We have players who could do that, but none that have showed me they will be that guy. So, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. I Hope I'm wrong.

robmorren2

December 14th, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

I agree. The comparisons to last year's team needs to stop. Walton is not going to become Trey Burke this year. I'm sorry, but guys like Trey and Darius were phenoms. That's why they both bolted for the NBA after 2 years.

Did we get off to a slow start last year? Yes. However, we had solid wins mixed in there as well.

We are a 6-4 team. I'll list the wins:

  • UMASS-Lowell
  • S.C. State
  • Long Beach State
  • Florida State
  • Coppin State
  • Houston Baptist

We've failed every time we have been tested; home, away & neutral. We lost to a Charlotte team that has been beaten by College of Charleston and Davidson.

I will continue to watch the games and love the team, but I'm not making any irrational goals based on progress we achieved in previous seasons. We're closer to a bubble team than we are to a B1G Championship contender.

BlueInDallas

December 14th, 2013 at 2:42 PM ^

I know this team is young, but didn't they gain experience in last year's tourney run that no other team but Louisville can claim? We should be more battle tested than we have shown so far. Also, with the best players leaving for NBA after 1 or 2 years, almost all of the best teams in NCAA will be young. Arizona is just as young, and they were the ones on the road playing a 10am start time (for them). Let's stop making the "this team is young" excuse. We need to win our share of these games. Let's see if we learned anything from yet another tough loss.

robmorren2

December 14th, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^

I really think McGary looks more like a 4-year player than an NBA first round draft pick. I'll start off by saying that maybe his injury and conditioning are hampering him. However, he did not make any improvements to his game in the offseason. He needed to add some lower body strength and explosion. At 6'10" he has a hard time creeping the ball over the rim on dunks, and he can't protect the rim defensively. He's also having trouble high pointing rebounds, and opponents are simply jumping over him. Additionally, he has been stripped a lot when he does come down with rebounds (which I don't recall being a problem last year).

Mitch had a really poor game, and Beilein noticed it as well. He's a Pre-season All-American and one of his strengths was supposed to be rebounding. Mitch had ONE defensive rebound in this game. Every starter for Arizona had 2 or more offensive rebounds, and Mitch had one defensive rebound. I'm sorry but this game is on Mitch. I'm sure I'll get negged, because everybody loves Mitch and hates GR3. Everyone will hate on GR3 for "disappearing" down the stretch. Well he had 20 pts and 4 defensive rebounds. Mitch had 1 defensive rebound, 2 turnovers, and zero blocks, steals, or assists.

Hopefully it is conditioning and injuries, because I'm beginning to lean towards Mitch being a product of Burke's greatness ... and possibly never reaching that level again at UM.

SDCran

December 14th, 2013 at 2:54 PM ^

UM's interior D is better than most people think. Team after team struggle to finish in there. The first half AZ dumped it in and didn't finish. In the 2nd half dribble penetration (ode to Marcus) killed us. Draw, dump, and dunk isn't on the interior guy

robmorren2

December 14th, 2013 at 3:04 PM ^

Rebounding is part of interior defense. You can force 5 misses in a row, but it doesn't matter if they get 5 offensive rebounds and make the 6th attempt. We had 18 defensive rebounds, and they had 17 offensive rebounds. Our interior defense is terrible. There is no excuse for McGary having 1 defensive rebound in 23 mins of playing time. Beilein saw it as well, and that is why McGary and Horford had a 23-17 split in mins.

tmon

December 14th, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^

Sucks to lose, but it's still early. So many teams pack in losses early, learn from them, get "right" going into the tournament and kill it. As long as we keep improving I'm not too mad at this point.

pinkfloyd2000

December 14th, 2013 at 2:51 PM ^

UM's nonconference schedule this season has been aces -- sure, they've got more Ls already than I'd like to see, but I think this will serve them well in B10 play.

Once again, much like their football team's nonconference schedule...OSU has played nobody. Don't you even say 'Marquette' or I'll smack you.

They'll pay. Oh yes...they'll pay.

powhound

December 14th, 2013 at 2:53 PM ^

than they did earlier. Real toughness on defense and rebounding continue to be a problems. 

Arizona had experienced guard play, just like M last year and it showed, especially down the stretch. 

Jimmyisgod

December 14th, 2013 at 2:54 PM ^

Inspried ball really, just wasn;t enough.  We have no one to score inside.  The B1G is going to be brutal this year, I see 10-8 or 9-9 very possible.  I hope we are not a bubble team going into the B1G Tourney.  If we play like we did today all season we'll be fine though and have a ceiling of a 3 or 4 seed.  Most likely a 6 or 7 seed.  The floor is a bubble team.

Happy Gilmore

December 14th, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

The team will be fine through the B1G and in the tourney. They've played some of the top teams in the country in the non conference schedule while replacing a lottery pick with a freshman, and they've still showed that they can hang with the best teams in the country. Today, one bounce or call going for us instead of them and the team could have upset the #1 team in the country.

With a young team and major roster losses, you have to look at the utility of the non conference games: finding out what works with the new roster; players discovering and growing in to new roles; freshman adapting to the spotlight and suddenly playing ball on national television in insane hostile environments on the road; and most importantly coaches developing the players and tweaking the game plans to best suit the group that they have.

The team has already shown that they have what it takes to compete with the best, and Coach B and his staff have proven year in and year out that they are phenomenal evaluators and developers of talent. With continued maturation and improvement, this team could be deadly come March and I would not be surprised if we see them make another deep run.

mddubbs

December 14th, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

Growing pains for a young team!  Burke took over on both ends of the floor in crunch time and we need to find that guy. I do not believe McGary is healthy yet but still gives it everything he's got.  Hat's off to Horford, excellent effort!

TrueBlue216

December 14th, 2013 at 3:00 PM ^

It's a young team, but you gotta deliver coming down towards the end of the game. However, this is college basketball. Some games are more important than others, but once you get in the tournament, all bets are off.

RadioMuse

December 14th, 2013 at 3:02 PM ^

Fuck this year in Michigan sports.  I'm sick of watching our teams performing just well enough that I'm emotionally attached to every. last. fucking. loss.

I mentally understand that these close losses are better than getting blown out because they mean that the program is still within an arms-reach of the top.  But emotionally speaking this is turning into pure agony.  I think I'm done watching Michigan sports till the bowl game...  the wins just feel hollow and empty and that losses keep demolishing my emotional well-being.

(not that I expect the bowl game to be any different)

Wolverine Devotee

December 14th, 2013 at 3:03 PM ^

  • Crowd was great
  • Solid job, Dave BRAND-ON. No pep band for a nationally televised game against the #1 ranked team. I guess it was due to them overselling the student section. Idiot.
  • Hurricane Spike needs to start. I love Walton but he just isn't ready yet. Things seemed to be under control when Spike was on the floor at point.
  • Thank you, MGoBlueTV. I pay $80 a year for a subscription. One of the premium features is classic full games. CBS showed the last (and only) win over a #1 ranked team in 1997. MGoBlueTV is owned by CBS. You're sitting on a mountain of footage and you put NOTHING out on basketball. Oh sure, there are great football ones. But it just pisses me off that the school never shows any historical footage on basketball. Even the non-vacated seasons, I've seen diddly poo.
  • Michigan would have won this game if that moron didn't call that phantom foul.

Sllepy81

December 14th, 2013 at 3:04 PM ^

I'm ready to throw this year down the drain. Get our hopes up then crap on us all year going back to the bowl game in January to the ncaa BBall championship. I don't watch hockey but I think they blew it also. Spoil me next year guys, fresh start.

robmorren2

December 14th, 2013 at 3:08 PM ^

Man, this game killed my Saturday. I was ready to get a win, hit the gym, be productive and feel good all day. Now I feel like drinking a case of beer, eat some fast food, and spending the rest of the day taking trips outside to pee in the snow ... see how many maize "M"s I can make in a day.

ppudge

December 14th, 2013 at 3:09 PM ^

Anyone seen any mock draft boards recently? At this point, I think I'm more worried about losing Stauskas than GRIII and McGary. Don't get me wrong - I don't want to lose any of them, I'm just thinking their stock has to be lower while Nik's has to be much higher. Or maybe my eyes are deceiving me.

SagNasty

December 14th, 2013 at 3:10 PM ^

the wide open 3 caris missed near the end of the game was a big miss. Also, i thought beilein should have taken a timeout and played for the last shot after the bs foul call. Michigan could have really used this win to boost the resume. This team has alot of work to do in B1G play.