The Gholston attack on Denard
I was at the game and could not see the attempt to break Denard's neck. Just back home and this was the single worst behavior I have ever seen on a football field. This was a deliberate attempt to injure a defenseless player that was on the ground. This incident needs to be shown to EVERY coach in college football and then the B1G and the NCAA need to let Gholston know that he is permanently banned from playing college football. The NFL would ban him for this behavior - intentionally attacking a defenseless player with the sole intent of injury (or worse) as Denard could have been permanently injured.
I pray that ESPN and B1G Network take the lead by showing the replay over and over so that every college football coach and fan knows exactly what Gholston did.
Go Blue!
October 15th, 2011 at 7:55 PM ^
I think the country is losing respect for such a dirty program
October 15th, 2011 at 7:55 PM ^
Begs to differ.
October 15th, 2011 at 7:57 PM ^
Overreact much?
October 15th, 2011 at 8:20 PM ^
Over react? What the OP says is true. That Gholston kid is a dirty player. He tried to injure Denard and got caught doing so. He punched Taylor and got caught doing so. The guy needs to be suspended, but we all know he won't be.
October 15th, 2011 at 8:26 PM ^
My gut says Dantonio probably won't suspend him with Wisconsin next, but I do think the B1G will step in and suspend Gholston - I don't see how they can't; they have suspended players for significantly less.
I think most people realize Gholston was dirty. I said this earlier, I sat next to a professor at MSU who apologized to me that MSU was playing "dirty." I think he also said Rush was in his class.
A suspension will almost assuredly come...if not, then we can blow up.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^
he doesn't care about class or the safety of other players. Gholston should sit at least 2 games, 1 for the punch, 1 for the neck twist.
I still think it was roid rage.
October 15th, 2011 at 11:36 PM ^
http://www.youtube.com/v/VEFvus0rGs8
Just wondering, was there a supension after this?
October 15th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^
October 16th, 2011 at 1:50 AM ^
This shows the difference between Michigan and MSU. After the incident Long grabs Mathews and I can only assume lets him know this is not acceptable. Meanwhile its high fives for the MSU players.
October 16th, 2011 at 8:16 AM ^
Considering he kicked his right leg and the guy fell and grabbed his left leg. Obviously this guy was trying to draw the penalty.
October 16th, 2011 at 9:14 AM ^
Gholston had a dangerous chop on Lewan, a late hit on Denard, another late hit on Denard with a dangerous neck twisitng facemask, and a punch at Lewan.
What did MSU do? Players gave him high fives and the MSU coaching staff praised the unnecessary roughness.
You want to compare that to one foot swipe (where the Oregon player clearly was not hit on the skin of his left leg, but holds his knee there) that Michigan players stepped in and pulled him back from?
Don't be shocked if/when Gholston is suspended.
October 16th, 2011 at 9:33 AM ^
Coach Hoke would have dismissed him from the football team. Hoke expects tough physical play WITH discipline. Dantanio (like his hero tressel) expects wins anyway possible including overt attempts to injure players.
Go Blue!
October 16th, 2011 at 9:49 AM ^
I doubt that Hoke would kick someone off the team for it. He would make them sit for a lot longer than MSU made Gholston sit, though.
October 16th, 2011 at 10:08 AM ^
Go Blue!
October 16th, 2011 at 5:59 PM ^
Not that his players committed them, but that they were all called and disrupted play. That is all you really need to know about those idiots.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^
Does it really warrant a permanent ban from college football? The kid made a stupid mistake. The play sickens me but he doesn't deserve that
October 15th, 2011 at 9:16 PM ^
he would out for the year ... period, done! Pro's don't tolerate assholes attempting to injure defenseless players.
Go Blue!
October 15th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^
Yes, but Pros are also older and more mature. I think we have to remember that these are kids out there. Yes, he absolutely needs to be disciplined, and I think he will be. But college provides a learning experience in more than one way for a lot of these kids, and one of those experiences is how to conduct yourself on the field. Unfortunately it seems like Dantonio won't be providing this teaching, but that is irrelevant to how this kid's case should be handled
October 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^
how many high school to pee wee football players watched this on TV? Perhaps you would like a player to do this to your kid? There are some real crazy dads out there that think Gholston was just being "tough" ... this doesn't belong in football periiod, no matter what age.
Go Blue!
October 15th, 2011 at 9:41 PM ^
I'm not arguing that there's any place for this, in any level of football. I'm sorry if I said something that lead you to believe that. I'm simply saying that I think there's a better way to resolve this than permanently banning Gholston from CFB. Look, what would banning him teach these kids that watched this that simply suspending him for multiple games not teach them? I don't think anyone is mistaking this for acceptable behavior.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:09 AM ^
If Denard's neck was broken would you feel differently? Because that was obviously the goal, and that video you put up is not comparable in way to the incident today so spare us already.
October 16th, 2011 at 7:15 AM ^
If that was his goal I believe a man with that much strength could have accomplished that.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:36 PM ^
He's still a grown man idiot!
October 15th, 2011 at 9:43 PM ^
Physically, yes, and then some. Mentally, he's obviously got a long way to go
October 15th, 2011 at 10:19 PM ^
Cut it with the "he's just a kid" excuse. He's 20. He's a grown man making adult decisions. There are no "kids" in college.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:59 PM ^
David Farragut was a friggin' ship captain at 12! I was a colossal failure until 22, so I'm not speaking from my own experience.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^
All the more reason to enforce more severe penalties in college. Things like that have the potential to be mortal. Off the field, that play could be charged as attempted murder. That was a concious attempt to injure and any concious attempt to injure should be a full year suspension and mandatory completion of anger management class before being allowed to return to the field.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:46 AM ^
Really? Please list any instances where an NFL player has been suspeneded FOR THE YEAR for a personal foul? Think about Suh. They're all over him, and he's been fined. BTW, if Suh hit Denard once....
October 16th, 2011 at 7:07 AM ^
You mean they wouldn't tollerate it like when Haynesworth stepped on Gurodes head causing 30 stiches? Then giving him a 5 game ban. Yea sounds about right. Good call
October 16th, 2011 at 7:13 AM ^
Even after I posted I still felt the need to call you a dumbass. Seriously, do some research before saying stupid shit.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:51 AM ^
you're showing yours by your comments urbanachiever. it can only be classified as a mistake if it happened once. this thug did four separate things. how in the hell is that a stupid mistake? that's intentional and there should be no place for it in a college game. please quit trying to defend something that's indefensible. you're just making yourself look stupid in the process.
October 15th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
YOU'RE RIGHT THAT KICK TOTALLY COULD HAVE PARALYZED OR KILLED SOMEONE.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^
And you're right, that helmet twist totally could have paralyzed someone...
Oh, wait....he was fine? How could that be?
October 16th, 2011 at 1:25 AM ^
Can we try it on you, since you're sure it's so harmless?
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<br>Why do all the mods disappear on MSU night when there's actually a need to clean up the trolls....?
October 16th, 2011 at 8:17 AM ^
But while we caved a couple of trolls, this guy stays (for now). Obvious Sparty is obvious, but he hasn't broken any rules. If a Michigan fan said the same stuff, it'd just be a debate.
That said, Spar-Dan, you are wrong about this one. Twisting a guy's neck when he's buried in a pile is both INCREDIBLY dangerous a general dick move.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^
But at this point there are 4 employees of the site, and what, 2 or 3 mods? How no one can be on the site after a rivalry game (that was at noon) seems like bad planning. For reasons like this.
Edited- moved to Mod thread instead of this mess.
October 15th, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
Blurb.
October 16th, 2011 at 9:52 AM ^
THIS GUY'S GOT A VIDEO SHOWING POOR SPORTSMANSHIP FROM ONE OF OUR OLD PLAYERS.
A WHOLE VIDEO.
My life is changed. Spartan4eva.
...man I can't even joke about that without feeling guilty.
October 16th, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
Watch the video closely. Matthews kicks his leg out and hits the Oregon player in the inner right thigh. The Orgeon player then pulls his left leg up and grabs his left knee.
Compraing this to what Gholston did is not even close. Both are acts that do not belong in the game of football but the difference is that Gholston did it with the INTENT on injuring Robinson. Gholston should be suspended at least 1 one game, similar to what the Illionois player got a couple of weeks ago when they played Northwestern.
October 15th, 2011 at 8:28 PM ^
dickhead.
What would you be saying had Denard broken vertebrae? Or legitimately been killed or paralyzed? Twisting someones neck like that can legitimately end their life, especially considering he couldn't roll with the torsion because he was both on the ground and had other players laying over his entire body.
This is the definition of an attack against a defenseless opponent. This shold be at least a 2 game suspension.
October 15th, 2011 at 8:48 PM ^
He should be suspended at least for the rest of the season. If what OSU players did was worth 5 games, what he did is worth 2 years (or more)
October 15th, 2011 at 9:04 PM ^
AT LEAST HIS Career.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:05 PM ^
No need for personal insults.
I agree that these were extremely dirty plays. But permanent expulsion from college football? I think the kid got a little too jacked up and made some dumb plays, which doesn't warrant that kind of punishment
October 15th, 2011 at 9:08 PM ^
Just curious (and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or a dick), what should warrant a permanent ban in your opinion?
October 15th, 2011 at 9:19 PM ^
That's a good question. I don't know exactly,. What I do know is that it would have to be a completely obvious attempt at serious injury. I'm talking like swinging something at a helmet-less player. It definitely wouldn't be something that could be snuck by the officials - given the right situation, what he did today could've certainly been missed by the cameras and the officials.
I personally don't think Gholston was trying to seriously injure Denard. It was more like a little "F*** you, get used to this." I don't know, maybe I'm off base.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:25 PM ^
that play was a brazen and obvious attempt to injure a player. I can understand the piling on.. to an extent. But the head wrenching is ridiculousl.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:45 PM ^
Perhaps, but I guess I think the standard for this kind of punishment is a little higher than what he did. I absolutely think he should be sat down for at least 2 or 3 games
October 16th, 2011 at 1:26 AM ^
I don't know what the NCAA standard is for dealing with match penalties in hockey, but in hockey this would have been an obvious match penalty. In USA Hockey that usually carries a thirty day suspension from all team activities (a player on a match suspension technically can't enter the team locker room at any time), but can be extended to a lifetime ban. Something similar would be appropriate here. 3-4 weeks off (not just games) and a hearing before the B1G would be my suggestion.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:48 PM ^
to injure him. If you watch the replay, he was clearly trying to hide his movements. That to me says it was deliberate attempt.
I don't know what is more serious than twisting someones neck.
He knew what he knew exactly what he was doing when he was doing it.