We’re not getting better coaches to replace Drevno or Pep, are we?

Submitted by ShittyPlaceKicker on
All season long there was non-stop talk by Michigan fans on here and reddit about how they couldn’t wait for Harbaugh to clean house on offense. It’s almost February and nothing has changed. Is it safe to say at this point that there’s a really good chance that our coaching staff is going to look the same come our first game against Notre Dame? Has there been any news to indicate otherwise? If not, how do we all feel about this?
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MgoHillbilly

January 27th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^

Can someone explain to me how that works if only the eagles and pats haven't finished their seasons? You'd think every other team has worked most of these positions out already. I have no idea.

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GoBLUE_SemperFi

January 27th, 2018 at 11:53 AM ^

...2 head coaches coming out of that game (that we know of)? That's two coaching staffs that have yet to be hired. Who knows, maybe nothing happens after those coaching changes, but Geee-Zuz, daily posts crying about Drevno and Pep still being at Michigan.

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MGoCarolinaBlue

January 27th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^

It's getting really old man.

There was never any evidence or reason to believe Drevno or Pep were headed anywhere else sometime soon, this was all entirely wishful thinking.

And to be quite honest, I'm not sure the wish is even justified. We went from having an offense which was both 1) the oldest Michigan offense in the modern era, and 2) the most prolific and efficient Michigan offense ever.

To this year having 1) the youngest Michigan offense in the modern era, with extreme inexperience at WR and OT.

These same assholes are the ones who don't want Wilton Speight back, even though he Quarterbacked the most prolific offense in the Michigan era (so he gets no credit, coaches get all the credit for that year) but based on a 4 game sample size this season before he broke his back they're ready to kick him to the curve and they're even gleeful about it. Meanwhile the coaches get all the blame for this year's woes.

I don't get it, man. If all these people are such experts on football and coaching, and so much smarter than our coaching staff, go coach. Oh wait you're not. You should try not to forget it.

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Crootin

January 27th, 2018 at 12:48 PM ^

Ah the old "if you're going to criticize the coaches then YOU go coach".  Whatever helps you sleep at night.  Same deal with "youth".  Plenty of fresman QBs looked far better than any of our QBs.

 

The offense was PUTRID this past year.  Hoke-ian levels of ineptitude.  Who calls the plays?...  Sets the scheme (was there one)? ... Recruits and develops players and QBs?

 

If anything this makes me way less optimistic about Harbaugh himself, but Drevno is clearly not good at his job.  The Oline and offense are straight up bad.  The passing game was non-existant, and Pep was only around one year, but it looked bad with healthy Speight and it looked bad with OKorn, and it looked bad with healthy Peters.  So what does that say?  The Browns didn't want Pep.  THE FREAKING CLEVELAND BROWNS. 

 

The brain trust also thought Speight and Okorn were neck and neck to start the year and also thought OKorn was better than Peters for the middle part of the year.  Unbelievable.  But as a fan, I'll shutup or quit my job and become a college coach after putting in 10-15 years as a high school coach.  Makes total sense.  Coaches always know best, so the answer for me is clearly to quit being a fan and become a college FB coach.

 

 

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hfhmilkman

January 27th, 2018 at 1:36 PM ^

My interpretation of the original response is us as fans are results oriented.  Despite our claims that with a glance we can tell if a scheme is putrid or ingenius, we really do not know nor can compare to people that spend ten hours a day doing.  If the team wins they are our God's and if they lose we throw them under the bus.   The team was incredibly young in too many places and suffered injuries at all of the locations that they could not.  Young players like Henne can appear to prosper if someone else is carrying the load, like example Braylon Edwards or in the case of Georgia the most run heavy offense in college football.  Or perhaps you are the 4th string running back on Bama any you have to practice just one play.

Here is my problem with Monday morning coaching.  Next year if UM offense is great we will ALL jump on the Harbaugh and hated assistant coaches bandwagon.  We might even cluck about how they much have "listened" to us.  It won't matter that it is older players with more depth knowing a system.  

If you truly believe that the UM football staff sucks you should root against them.  If they win they are lucky and we know luck runs out.  False wins will perpetuate an illusion of success and the bad coaching will continue.  Yet all to often the results change and we forget our anger, as long as the result is a win.

My enjoyment of mgoblog comes from the attempt by the people who run the site to look beyond the wins and losses.  What I said in the paragraph above was somewhat saracastic and unrealistic.  We are all Michigan fans and want to root for UM to win.  At the least, what you should do is put out an article on why you believe the offensive staff including Harbaugh are failing by showing failures of scheme, development, and managment.  This is where the owners of this site thrive.  Instead of lamenting on why Michigans defense sucking in 2010, they pointed out that the middle linebacker was beging miss positioned for what they thought he was intended to do.  That kind of stuff is way more productive, than "Pep stinks"

 

 

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cKone

January 27th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^

We don’t really know what happens behind the scenes. I keep seeing people say that youthful QBs do fine on other teams. The difference is that our youthful QBs were surrounded by youthful Receivers and a youthful line. Is it not true that Michigan was basically running out a high school team in the college game?

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ak47

January 27th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^

Why do people keep saying a youthful line? It was bad and lacked experience because it was bad but it wasn’t young. Two seniors, a rs junior and a sophomore with an entire year of starting experience is not a young line. In fact next years line is likely to be younger. Our supposed offensive line guru failed in development and recruiting and people keep looking for excuses outside of coaching failure to justify optimism for next years line.

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bamf16

January 28th, 2018 at 7:45 PM ^

I still don't think the OL was nearly as bad as many want to believe. A lot of times we saw something on a TV broadcast, only to see later on a highlight show or even the UFR's here that there were receivers open who the QB didn't see, or the QB held on to the ball too damn long because no one was open, or a RB (ESPECIALLY) earlier on when the coaching staff was trying like hell to be successful behind a primarily zone blocking scheme missed the hole.

 

Speight early in the season (due in large part to the inexperience at WR and then after Black's injury) and then the inept O'Korn and inconsistent Peters late made the OL look a lot worse than I think it really was. And a lot of armchair and Monday morning QB's on this site are correct in their conclusions that QB mobility is MUCH more important in the college game and statues in the pocket hurt a lot more than in the NFL. It would be wise of Harbaugh's predominantly NFL coaches working the college game to realize that and stop trying to pound the square pegs into the round holes.

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MGoBlue24

January 27th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^

examples is that they aren’t parallel. We can always choose different foods and cars if we don’t like what we have. The OP really likes a certain car, though, and wants the manufacturer to make it fit his wishes. I’ll stop there, presuming that you, the OP, and I all want to see M succeed no matter what - Go Blue!

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olm_go_blue

January 27th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^

The argument wasn't about choosing something else, but rather that one cannot critique without having the appropriate chops to replace those in charge. Like saying, this steak isn't cooked right - and the response being: oh, you can do a better job managing Ruth's Chris? Sometimes, people can't acknowledge ineptitude. I think the parallel works.

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B1G Winning

January 27th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^

Keep trying to justify a 105th total offense ranking. 104 teams were better than Michigan on offense. An offense that started RS JR/RS SR QBs, Junior and Sophomore RBs, Senior Center, Senior LT, Junior-Soph TEs, Junior Slot Receiver, Etc. Other teams play Freshman too, a lot lower ranked freshman at that.

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bo_lives

January 27th, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^

They were ranked 41st in offensive S&P. Speight finished with 7.7 ypa. They were average at best. They had some good games. They had some bad games. Michigan has probably never had an offense that could hold a candle to the modern powerhouses except perhaps in 2010. And that offense laid an egg in every meaningful game it played as well. Wake me up when we return to the glory days of Biakabutuka for 313 or Henson for 303 against an opponent we care about.

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borninAnnArbor

January 27th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^

Under Jed Fisch Michigan started okay and steadly improved to an effeciant to great passing team. This helped open up the running gameThe qb at the time went from backup cast off to NFL player. This year under Pep, the passing game went from bad to dear God it can't get worse can it? just about every week. Starters regressed, and back ups seem to do well until they became starters. It seems to me that the QBs got worse when they were coached more. Then Jed goes to UCLA and coaches the qb there to a possible first round draft pick. Coaching matters and Michigan suffed last year. The worst example of this was the bowl game when they needed a first down to stay in the game. There was a play action 15 yard pass play called. It made me sad.

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Mr Miggle

January 27th, 2018 at 2:21 PM ^

under Fisch in 2016? Jedd went to UCLA and coached a QB who was already considered a very likely 1st round pick.

Look, obviously our offense suffered last year, but I don't see making Jedd Fisch out to be some miracle worker. Wasn't Harbaugh given most of the credit for Rudock's development? Maybe that was all a lie, but if we're being honest, we don't know exactly who does what on this staff, either last season or the previous ones. Hamilton is a convenient scapegoat. Maybe that's justified, maybe not.

Bottom line is that Harbaugh deserves most of the blame for last season and he knows he has to change how he did some things. Just replacing assistants is the easy way out. It doesn't do much to explain why a staff with good track records overall performed poorly.

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Mr. Owl

January 27th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^

If it wasn't for wanting Michigan to succeed, I'd almost want to see Pep & Drev leave just to compare their posts about how good their riddance is to their success elsewhere.  It's not like these guys got where they are because they can't coach.  It's much more likely they were doing too much with too little to work with.

Now what do we have to do for an actual WR coach...

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JonnyHintz

January 27th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^

Well McDaniels looks like a done deal to the Colts, and Patricia to the Lions. Both coaches have to fill their new staffs. That’s when potential dominoes start to fall that could mean someone like Pep getting an OC job in the NFL. Not saying it happens, but thats where the potential is. Personally, I don’t have an issue with Drevno or Pep as coaches. I simply think three guys calling plays is too much. Let Drevno focus more on the OL, let Pep focus more on the QBs/WRs, and let Harbaugh call the majority of the plays with minimal input from the other two. They have impressive resumes and they’re not bad coaches. I just think they’re being stretched too thin and their philosophies don’t exactly mesh.

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JonnyHintz

January 27th, 2018 at 6:01 PM ^

Yeah because let’s pretend for a moment that they struggled because he’s a bad coach and not because he was focused on different aspects of his job. If he spends more time coaching his positions, they’ll be better coached and improve. If they get half the coaching because he’s doing the other half of his job, you get results like this year. As young as our WRs were, they would have benefited from some extra coaching. But sure. Keep telling yourself that a guy who has been coaching QBs and WRs in the NFL (minus a successful 3 year stint at Stanford) since 2004 is bad at coaching the positions. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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