August 12th, 2021 at 1:43 AM ^
It's not like the good old days when we were freaking out because Zordich was acting like the corners barely knew what side of the ball to line up on and then they turned out to be great
August 12th, 2021 at 2:10 AM ^
Damn for some reason I have a good feeling about this season! I know we really don't have the superior athletes that we may expect, but I think we can make some plays. Our D was over with Don brown! Everyone ran up the score, because he decided not to CHANGE!! Things will be different!! Watch
August 12th, 2021 at 2:21 AM ^
It's an odd reality that we could have a really good ~6 win season and our fanbase would be inspired or a really bad 7+ win season and be entirely alienated from the program.
I am with you GoBlueBond. I have a feeling we will be pleasantly surprised with our program this year. I said the same thing last year. And the year before. Basically every year since I was a child. And I still believe it too. I just don't want to get too invested and be disappointed.
August 12th, 2021 at 7:57 AM ^
It is hard for me to imagine being “inspired” by about a 6 win (.500) season, unless we lose a bunch of games early in the year, then turn things around and demolish people late, including upsetting OSU.
August 12th, 2021 at 5:11 AM ^
@GOBLUE_007
I agree that Michigan Football is primed for a bounceback season but disagree with you scapegoating Don Brown for many issues. (I don't want to keep repeating myself but I feel compelled to combat the extreme shit-talking about Don Brown. Example: Michigan went 1/8 on DL from the 2017 class. That's CATASTROPHIC and set our program back. Mattison recruited the 2017 DL players. He is partially to blame for the talent gap in the DL.)
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But yes, I believe Michigan will have a surprisingly good season. Historically, Michigan has (1) fared very well after a bad season (i.e. 8-4 or worse in terms of win %)* and (2) does better when not weighed down by lofty pre-season expectations.
* I've checked this since 1969 (Schembechler's 1st year).
** Rich Rod's teams, Hoke's final 3 teams, and Moeller's final year (94) were the exceptions.
August 12th, 2021 at 7:39 AM ^
1/8 on the 2017 DL, eh? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by partial, but let's take a close look:
- Kwity Paye: He'd be the 1.
- Luiji Vilain: Luiji was a consensus Top 100 recruit in 2017. Was Mattison supposed to have seen his injury future?
- Corey Malone-Hatcher: See Luiji and subsitute 300 for 100.
- Deron Irving-Bey: Academic issues aside, yes, this looks like a miss. He hasn't done anything at CMU to date.
- Donovan Jeter: Pretty much a miss. (Sorry, Donovan.)
- Phil Paea: Miss.
- James Hudson: Did Mattison make the call to move him to OL? He played well enough at Cinci to go in the 4th round of the draft. I don't see a miss here.
- Aubrey Solomon: This is trickier than most. He had some clear ability but maybe not much "motor." Half a miss.
I see 3 1/2 misses rather than 7. Blaming Mattison for everyone that didn't work out is a little bit like blaming Lloyd Carr for "leaving the cupboard bare" in 2008. RichRod's team was one of the least talented overall in the last twenty years, but it's not like Lloyd purposely left it that way (well, maybe other than facilitating some transfers).
August 12th, 2021 at 8:01 AM ^
When I judge a recruiting class, I judge it by whether a player became a contributor **for Michigan** over multiple seasons or not. (And that's not even considering magnitude of contribution such as All-American vs 1st Team All-Conference vs. Honorable Mention. When I do a magnitude ranking, I use a scale from 0-10 with 10 being a Heisman Finalist.)
Luiji Vilain - non-contributor, transferred
Corey Malone Hatcher: non-contributor, medically disqualified
Deron Irving-Bey: non-contributor, transferred
Donovan Jeter: non contributor (has one more chance but I'm not holding my breath)
Phil Paea: non-contributor
James Hudson: turned into a quality OL but he was a non-contributor for Michigan, transferrred
Aubrey Solomon: non-contributor for Michigan, transferred
Kwity Paye - contributor, 1st round pick, wasn't fully utilized (though not by any fault of his own when opponents could gameplan for him since our DTs weren't stellar).
Yep. Of those 8 players, only 1 player became a serious contributor. Hence, 1/8 is correct by my standard.
We can come up with all the excuses we want but at the end of the damn day it comes down to one thing: "did the player produce for us or not?"
Here's a similar tangential example:
Jake Rudock: contributor at Iowa but far more effective and impactful contribution for Michigan in his 1 season.
John O'Korn: inconsistent contributor at Houston but not much of a quality (re: sustained net positive) contributor at Michigan.
Yes, my contributor vs non-contributor method is reductionist but that's not all that different from coaches ultimately being judged by wins and losses. Everything else is either fluff or pageantry.
August 12th, 2021 at 11:30 AM ^
But at the same time it’s hard to blame any coach for a talent gap at a position and call it a recruiting miss simply because the kid chose not to stick around. Not a whole lot the coaches can do about it.
No doubt it set us back, but it’s hard to blame any of the coaching staff when guys transfer a year or two in and are productive at other places. Or if they get injured and have to medically retire or never see the field.
it’s more bad luck (especially for it to happen to so many in a single class) than it is the fault of any of the coaches in particular
August 12th, 2021 at 7:58 AM ^
Last year, there were 24 starts on the defensive line, 18 of them came from guys recruited in 2018 or earlier. Kwitty Paye - 4 starts, Carlo Kemp - 5 starts, Donovan Jeter - 4 starts, Chris Hutchinson (2 starts) and Taylor Upshaw (2 starts). I am not sure that Mattison’s recruiting of DL was our biggest defensive problem last year.
August 12th, 2021 at 8:09 AM ^
I'm surprised by this take:
Compare that DL to the one Harbaugh inherited in 2015 which mostly remained intact in 2016:
Maurice Hurst
Taco Charlton
Willie Henry
Bryan Mone
Chase Winovich (though didn't find his position until later).
Chris Wormley
Lawrence Marshall
Mario Ojemudia
Matt Godin
(And Harbaugh didn't think Ondre Pipkins could do much so he transferred to Texas Tech and had an ok season.)
The 2016 DL was arguably the best DL Michigan Football has ever had. And it could've been unreal if Malik McDowell hadn't been a dumbass and listened to his mother. (McDowell was such a cancer that his teammates on a 3-9 Sparty team voted to have him removed from the team.)
But given the list above, you don't see a huge gap between that DL and the one we had in 2020? We didn't have quality depth in 2020 or any stars on the interior.
August 12th, 2021 at 9:14 AM ^
I forgot about McDowell's crootin saga. IIRC, Mom was leaning Michigan. McDowell got a the varsity team welcoming committee during an MSU visit and commits. Mom expresses her displeasure with the pick and hilarity ensues.
August 12th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^
Your main arguments moves the goalpost to fit your narrative to not blame Don Brown. You admit his first year he inherited what you call the best d-line in UM history (which Mattison helped recruit). Yet, you’re blaming Mattison for the lack of development of the d-line because of 2017 recruiting alone?
2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 recruits all coached by Brown and developed by his staff. All the guys who didn’t work out are Mattison’s fault?
Is it Mattison’s fault Paye got hurt? Or is it Don Brown’s skill that developed him into a 2nd round pick? Is it Mattison’s fault Gary left early? Does Kemp’s starting mean Mattison recruited him well or does it mean Brown’s younger highly rated recruits just were not that good?
Chris Wormley and Taco Charlton played well as underclassmen. So did Winovich. Henry was a flop for three years before Mattison helped him get to his potential. Marshall was a flop.
You say the 2020 squad had no stars or depth…Why couldn’t Hinton and Smith and Hutchinson perform well as sophomores and juniors? How long does it take for a 5 star and two high 4s to actually play well? Why is Jeter’s development Mattison’s fault and not Don Brown’s? If there was no depth—it was not 2017’s fault.
The defense was Brown’s responsibility, and he had four full recruiting cycles to get his guys to meld with the talent he was handed. Even if 2017 was filled with misses, Brown did less than needed to replace those who transferred out (a few of those guys were gone within the next cycle)—and he did not get quick development out of blue chip recruits. Brown did not get commitments to fill gaps of those who left or were shown the door.
Getting trashed by OSU is one thing—but he could not get his defense to dominate or even stop the lower level offenses in the Big Ten for three straight years.
Don Brown truly was to blame for the defense. He was given the keys by the HC, an offensive minded guy. He failed to sustain his early success and adapt once the defense was made of “his guys.”
Let’s not blame Mattison for 2017’s DL recruiting for the reason four seasons later Brown couldn’t stop Rutgers four multiple overtimes. He let a MSU failure of a QB pass like a HOFer.
There was and is high level talent on that line. Coaching and development was lacking. Hutchinson was not doing anything before he got hurt—much like Gary underperformed in Brown’s scheme.
The new staff has a lot of highly rated underperformers, which is exciting to see if they can get them to live up to their abilities.
And it is not unheard of—other teams have gone from bad to very good the next year. Indiana, Northwestern. To pretend that UM has less talent than those defenses and not put blame coaching would be a shame.
August 12th, 2021 at 7:58 AM ^
95 was Carr's first year.
August 12th, 2021 at 8:10 AM ^
You are correct. 95 was a typo. I meant 1994.
August 12th, 2021 at 8:57 AM ^
Wait Matty is now to blame for the DL issues?? Hahahahaha Good god the excuse making on this site is amazing at times
August 12th, 2021 at 9:12 AM ^
Any reason why you chose to misinterpret what I wrote? Reminder: I'm only responsible for what I type and intend and not what you (intentionally?) misunderstand.
1. Don Brown is ultimately responsible since he was the coordinator. He was given the latitude to get the players needed to run his defense.
2. But acting like Greg Mattison didn't have a role in the declining talent level of the DL would be quite stupid considering Mattison recruited many of the DL players. I no longer have a subscription to 247Sports but I'm sure anyone here can provide quotes about the role Mattison played in those recruitments.
Mattison helped recruit many of the players who washed out. Why does he get a pass? Mattison had been a DC before in college and in the NFL. Given his enormous expertise, he should know talent. And I'm sure Don Brown valued his opinion. I can't imagine Brown would wholesale ignore any of Mattison's recommendations considering the 2016 DL (which is arguably the best DL Michigan Football has had in its history) was recruited by Hoke and Mattison.
And yet...Mattison couldn't see that players HE recruited would wash out at a high clip. Something went terribly wrong with the 2017 class. Why? Putting it all on Don Brown doesn't make sense when he was surrounded by very competent individuals.
FYI: Kwity Paye was a Don Brown special. So the best performing player from the 2017 class was thanks to Brown.
August 12th, 2021 at 9:28 AM ^
Why do you think GMatt left? Maybe Don Brown was too stubborn and didn't really want to hear what Mattison was saying? Browns best defenses were with players that were here before him. Brown didn't recruit the dudes he needed to keep his defense playing at a high level.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:00 AM ^
Don Brown recruited Kwity Paye and Josh Uche. And he started Bryan Mone.
August 12th, 2021 at 11:01 AM ^
You based this on what?
Messageboard innuendo?
Until the 2018 class, Michigan and Ohio State competed for the same players. I mean..we did try to go after Zach Harrison from Ohio, right?
Chris Partridge recruited 5 star Aubrey Solomon. But even Don Brown (who did more with less at Boston College) couldn't escape Michigan's 5 star curse.
Besides Jabrill Peppers, I can't remember the last 5 star player that panned out and played up to his ranking at Michigan.
August 12th, 2021 at 11:07 AM ^
Mattison left because he was offered twice the money and a promotion. OSU already had Larry Johnson so they didn't need any help on the Dline. Part of the reason they went after Mattison was not to make them better but us worse. And it worked. We haven't had good interior Dline play since Mattison left.
With regard to the 2017 class, I find it difficult to pallet that a guy who recruited, Hurst, Henry, Mone, etc. would suddenly start sucking at talent evaluation. Maybe neither Brown, nor Mattison are to blame. If you flip a coin and it comes up tails 6 times in a row, the odds of a 7th tails is still 50%. So maybe it is just bad luck.
August 12th, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^
But you said 2020’s line didn’t have any stars besides not having depth. And you just spent paragraphs blaming Mattison while saying you weren’t blaming him. And then you put nothing on Brown and his Nua choice for the line.
Mattison has successfully recruited good players that play well at OSU. Weird how you say he missed on the players here and put UM’s line behind in 2020 yet say very little about how the coaches here for the last few years couldn’t get it done. There’s a reason he was fired—Brown failed to get the most out of most of his recruits—his, as DC. His.
August 12th, 2021 at 9:53 AM ^
I agree that Don Brown has been getting too much blame. We know what he did with Boston College. And we will see what happens at Arizona. He's probably going to do great there.
Also, there's a lot said about Brent Venables on this board. But 7 months ago his defense had worse stats against Ohio St than Don Brown's defense here ever had. It's not just Don Brown who is trying to find a way to slow these high scoring offenses down.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:06 AM ^
Coaches can always get stale and stuck in a rut. Don Brown isn't a bad coach but he got stuck and didn't change to deal with the reality. He saw the 2016 defense and to a lesser extent the 2017 defense work and tried to run it back 2018 and 2019 against a different OSU offense and it cost Michigan the chance to get over the hump on OSU because we got straight up embarrassed. 2020 was a massive failure all around but you can get a mulligan for that.
People also overstate how good he was as a coach. He was extremely mediocre at MD before his good run at BC and at Michigan those 2016 and 2017 defenses were absolutely loaded with NFL talent, they didn't really do anything that interesting stylistically, it was just have good defensive backs and a good defensive line that could all win one on one against 99% of the schedule.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^
Give credit to Brown for his success from 2016-2018. His defenses were great when he had the horses. The DL issues were not the sole reason why Michigan's defense collapsed over the past couple of seasons however. It was a compounding problem at all levels. LB included. If you say it was heavily a Mattison problem with the DL, what about DBs? Blame Zordich and Partridge? Or should we give them a bulk of the credit when Michigan's defenses were good because of Hill, Thomas, Stribling, Lewis, Long, Hill, and Thomas (good god a lot of overlapping names in the secondary 2016-2019)?
So I'm going to focus on only LBs because that's what Brown coached/ heavily recruited (not that I agree with only focusing on his specific position group since he was the DC and presumably had some sort of control over the entire side of the ball). Brown's recruited LBs/Vipers:
Bush - All-American monster
Mbem-Bosse - Nothing
Uche - Great pass rusher but not a great LB, didn't even play a majority of snaps and that's a Brown decision
Gil - Average Big Ten LB
Hudson - Was actually recruited by Zordich and Partridge, was really good off the edge
Singleton - Injuries sure, but did nothing and is gone
Anthony - Nothing, gone
Ross - Elder statesman at this point but has never been much better than above average
McGrone - Really good for 1/2 a season
Solomon - Hasn't done anything yet
Thomas - Nothing, gone
Mullings - Nothing yet because of age
Savage - Nothing, gone
Mohan - Nothing, gone
Wheeler - Nothing, gone
Colson - TBD
Hood - TBD
McLaurin - TBD
That's not a great LB track record. Peppers, McCray, and Gedeon were upperclassmen by the time he arrived so I'll give him a little more than 1/2 the credit for their success (putting Peppers in a hybrid spot instead of pure Safety probably got him drafted in the 1st round). If he needs to fill 3 spots between Mike, Sam, and Viper/Will, he really only hit on... 3 or 4 guys? Bush 1,000%, I'll give him Uche and Hudson as 1, Ross kind of, and McGrone since he got hurt and left early. That's not particularly awesome, unless the frame through which I'm looking is wrong.
But more to the point, his defenses remind me of Rich Rod offenses (not at Michigan - just generally). They were great when they were great and bad when they were bad. Once a team figured out how to break it, it collapsed like it did against OSU, PSU, and Bama. Even accounting for the depleted DT situation, they were incapable of stopping MSU throwing 50/50 balls or Indiana dunking on them last year. Neither team had better talent on offense, they just picked a guy to go after and Brown did nothing to change things. It's the same complaint we all had post-OSU 2018, you can't be a 1 trick pony with plan B being plan A just with more aggression. He had no change up, and that's fine when he's running out Winovich, Bush, and Long. It's a coaching failure when he's running out Jeter, Gray, and whoever else and expecting them to do the same thing that guys did before them.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:55 AM ^
Don Brown's defense is essentially a modern version of Jimmy Johnson's Miami 4-3.
Yes, I am of the opinion that the overall talent level declined substantially across all position groups so imo other coaches deserve blame too.
But I know from experience that the Miami 4-3 works best if the DL is dominant and penetrating. When we no longer had that, there were downstream consequences for all the other position groups. Opposing QBs had longer windows which means DBs had to cover longer.
August 12th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
Sure, I agree with you there. DTs start to struggle and everyone else has to pick up the pieces/knock of effects start to crop up. But that still falls on the head of the defense to some degree. From participating in the recruiting process of DTs to help out, to making adjustments to his scheme to address the inefficiencies. Not saying he had to go learn how to coach a cover 4 defense all of a sudden, but when he saw the problem his way of addressing it was insufficient and I think that deserves some criticism. And back to the recruiting thing, it's not like he was brining in heads and shoulders better LBs than the secondary coaches were bringing in DBs or DL coaches bringing in DEs.
2016-2018 Don Brown was a top 3 DC. Full stop.
August 12th, 2021 at 12:52 PM ^
From the 2018 OSU game onward he was an unmitigated disaster vs teams with half a pulse. With the exception of 2019 ND which Brian Kelly again has shown to love to throw the ball in monsoons/actual hurricanes.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:04 PM ^
Yes, I am of the opinion that the overall talent level declined substantially across all position groups
I'm still thinking that the 2016 Ohio St game did something to Jim Harbaugh, and the players could sense it. I think it caused some sort of doubt across the board on the team. And that was a significant influence in the odd play over the last 4 years.
But seeing how open and animated Jim Harbaugh was at Media Day a few weeks ago, I'm thinking he may have finally dealt with whatever it was, and it is showing in him, and will show up across the board on the team.
August 13th, 2021 at 9:04 AM ^
His sideline blowups in '15 and '16 were a little cringey, but I'd take him at a 15 on a level of 1-10 over the 3 or 4 that he's been since that season.
August 13th, 2021 at 9:04 AM ^
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August 12th, 2021 at 9:17 AM ^
Things will definitely be different. I just don't trust that this form of different will be especially good.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:33 AM ^
I know we really don't have the superior athletes that we may expect, but I think we can make some plays.
I think we have a lot of good athletes. We are just missing two big pieces. We are missing a big NT that can stand up to double teams. Hopefully Mazi can be that this year. And, we are missing a #2 CB. Hopefully Turner or Seldon can be that this year or if not Gray can limit how much of a liability he was last year. But, Hutch, Hinton, Ross, Colson, Mullings, Barrett, Ojabo, Green, Dax, & Hawkins are all very good athletes and highly rated recruits.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:24 PM ^
I think if the D Line can play great the DBs will suddenly look better. I'm hoping the EDGE players will be wrecking crew menaces.
August 12th, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^
“THIS IS THE YEAR!”
-Every Michigan fan since 2009
August 14th, 2021 at 2:16 PM ^
Steve Clinkscale can make you feel good about your team.
August 12th, 2021 at 7:14 AM ^
I thought the title meant he was going to talk about douche bags and clicked on it to hear his take on those two piles of hair that make up Florida Georgia Line.
August 12th, 2021 at 8:19 AM ^
Michigan is very fortunate that they can go 2-4, have their head coach barely clinging on with an embarrassing (tho deserved!) extension, convince an assistant of Mo Linguist’s caliber to join the staff anyway—and then, when he abruptly (and justifiably) leaves, replace him with an assistant of Steve Clinkscale’s comparable or even better caliber. We’re lucky that our program has that kind of juice. Let’s hope it pays off on the field this season.
August 12th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^
One of the better takes I've read in a while. Nice work Blake and completely agree.
I'm in a glass half full mood this morning and this perspective is just what I needed.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^
Good to have you back in the cautiously optimistic camp. You and I both have experienced our share of over- and under-performing teams. We're due for one of the former.
August 12th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^
He should handle the corners and safeties. Idk why Bellamy is not coaching WRs. Gattis is a terrible wr coach and can’t handle both OC and WR coaching duties.
August 12th, 2021 at 10:10 AM ^
LOL - Gattis is a terrible WR coach based on what? If you want to argue about the way he recruits and/or utilizes WRs as an OC - that’s valid. But the dude knows the WR position, consistently puts WRs in the NFL, and has a track record of success at coaching the position that I’m not sure many others can match.
August 12th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
I wouldn't say that Gattis is a terrible WR coach, but the jury is definitely still out on his performance here. Add in the fact that Drevno trying to coach OL while juggling OC duties was an unmitigated disaster, and I don't think it's unreasonable to think that it would be better to let Bellamy coach the WRs while Gattis focuses solely on being OC...
August 12th, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^
I get that, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I think people combine his duties as OC along with coaching WRs when evaluating his performance. The offense has been underwhelming --- PERIOD.
But I think that if you evaluate him purely as a WR coach (which OPs comment alluded to) -- I think he has a really strong track record.
I would also argue that the fact that the offense has been a failure is more important than any skill he has as a WR coach, because being the WR coach is not his most important role on this team. Hoping to see much more from the team this year, but if the performance doesn't improve I don't think the fact that he is a good WR coach should or will save his job.
August 12th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^
I think people combine his duties as OC along with coaching WRs when evaluating his performance.
Some people may do that, but I'm talking strictly about his work coaching our WRs. And like I said, the jury is still out. He's had successes with some players (Bell for sure, you could give him some credit for Nico, Sainristil has been decent), but for other players success really hasn't been there (DPJ and Black didn't really improve under him, although that's far from being solely his fault, Giles Jackson never did anything, Cornelius Johnson hasn't done anything yet, etc.). Walk-ons Schoenle and McCurry are another interesting lens through which to view Gattis. On the one hand, they did develop into decent players for being walk-ons, but on the other, the amount of playing time they got sort of speaks to lack of development from the scholarship WRs. So yeah, jury is still out.
But I think that if you evaluate him purely as a WR coach (which OPs comment alluded to) -- I think he has a really strong track record.
He did come to Michigan with a strong track record as a WR coach. But you know who else came in with a strong record as a position coach? Drevno. And we all saw how that turned out; regardless of the exact reasons, at bare minimum Drevno couldn't handle both coordinating the offense and (solely) coaching a position group. So it's not crazy to wonder if Gattis is having some of the same issues, since our WRs haven't had the same kind of success that his former players had at previous stops. It has nothing to do with his abilities coaching WR; it might just be that he has too much on his plate to give the WRs the attention they need. And it's also not crazy to wonder if it might be better on the whole to let Gattis focus on OC while having Bellamy coach the WRs (where he has tons of experience) instead of a position group he has almost no experience with.
August 12th, 2021 at 3:18 PM ^
DPJ related tangent (since both you and OP refer to him directly)
DPJ was arguably a top 20 WR in UM history (17th in TDs, 24th in receptions and 29th in yards) -- and he put those numbers up in 3 years. I feel like this board and fanbase really undervalues our most recent 5 star players --- DPJ, Peppers, Gary because the expectations are simply not realistic. For DPJ specifically, was he Devontae Smith? -- Absolutely not, but schools like OSU and Bama recruit so many players of that profile that it is easy to remember Smith and forget about Daylon Charlot or remember Garrett Wilson and forget about Kamryn Babb. Point being, that top 100 recruits have less than stellar careers all the time, but when UM is only getting one or two of those per cycle, we expect the world of them. Additionally, those players are playing around well constructed teams with a surplus of talent around them. Does DPJ's college career / production look a lot different if he plays for Bama / OSU? What about if he just had better QB play that didn't miss him when he's 5 yards behind the defense?
Hypotheticals and what not, but I think DPJ was a great player at UM, certainly not as great as he could have been. I tend to chalk that up to broader systemic issues vs. Gattis not being able to develop players at his position, but I understand why others would feel different.
August 14th, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^
Honestly, WRs were far better when Jim McElwain was coaching them. I'm not on the Josh Gattis train in any fashion.
August 12th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^
Who’s he put in the NFL? The Alabama 5 star WRs or DPJ who wasn’t anything special here? Gattis may be a good recruiter but that’s probably it... everything else he has shown very very little
August 12th, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^
Allen Robinson? Godwin? Other PSU receivers? Wasn’t Gattis WR coach for those guys?
August 12th, 2021 at 1:29 PM ^
Godwin was a top 150 recruit. Sure he may have helped him but that offense under moorehead and McSorley/Barkley had a nice effect on Godwin as well. Again, not tryin to downplay gattis but he’s been here a couple years now and never really developed anyone. Ronnie bell? Sure I guess. We need more from gattis and if it’s better to just focus on OC then so be it