Seth Davis tweets his Top 25 (UM #1)

Submitted by Cold War on January 27th, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Three B1G teams in the top five. Surprised to see lil bro this high.


1. Mich

2. Kan

3. Fla

4. Ind

5. MichSt

6. Syr

7. Butler

8. Gonz

9. Ore

10. Ariz

11. Miami

12. Lou

13. Duke

14. UCLA

15. Wich St

16. Creighton

17. OhioSt

18. Wisc

19. NCSt

20. Ole Miss

21. KState

22. New Mex

23. UNLV

24. San Diego St

25. Georgetown




January 28th, 2013 at 6:09 AM ^

Where should they be ranked then after 2 losses one of which was a 30 point blow out to an unranked team?

 Those wins over Louisville and Kentucky don't look as impressive as they they did earlier in the season.

 The thing that is ridiculous is that MSU is number 5. They where ranked 13th before they lost to Indiana so I doubt they jump any spots after a loss


January 28th, 2013 at 6:09 AM ^

Agreed.  I get the maize colored talk but please 4 losses or not they went to Indiana and gave them all they could handle with Appling playing like a joke.  Harris is there with GRIII and Canadian Bacon as Big 10 freshman of the year candidate, Payne is playing out of his mind since he started fighting teammates and Appling has played well ex Indiana.  And Dawson is still getting into playing stride.  It's a good team - is it #5 or #12 or whatever. Who knows - but this team is talented with a coach that is good.  Indiana also tough, Zeller played like junk most of the game and they still won.  Those seem to be the top 3 in the BIg 10 and without UM playing either of them yet and losing to Ohio on the road it's still a toss up.  I expect all 3 to be 1-2 slotted in the NCAA, maybe one falls to 3 if there are some injuries, but if you are a 2 seed you are top 8.  Ohio is a 1.5 man show so I think the next tier down but going to be a tough game always at home.


January 27th, 2013 at 8:44 PM ^

I understand them getting a small bump (or holding steady) from a good showing on the road.  What I don't understand is why they seemingly aren't dinged for their close wins. As I see it, MSU has 3 quality wins (KU, OSU, Wisc). But their resume is 8 points away from being total garbage.  That just seems unusual for a top-5 team, especially one with 4 losses.  


January 27th, 2013 at 8:23 PM ^

16 after losing to Drake this week? Seems a bit high for them. I figured they would drop out of the top 25. Louisville at 12 seems high as well at this point.


January 27th, 2013 at 8:22 PM ^

I love who is #1 for obvious reasons.  But that's still a questionable poll. 

Sparty loses yet they go from 15th to 5th?  Butler and Oregon are too high.  And although Duke get spanked, I'm not sure about them being that low.  I hate them, yes, but they still have some impressive wins. 


January 27th, 2013 at 8:28 PM ^

You guys seen Duke without Kelly?  They ain't a top 5 team.  They're still good but Seth I think obviously feels that they belong lower without Ryan Kelly.  Sparty, unfotunately, is picking up it's level of play and though they might not be a top 5 team I have no arguments by putting them a top 8-10 team.

Also, Oregon is a sneaky good team.  A team that could go knock a team or two out in the March Tourney.  Butler is legit.  They lost to LaSalle, yes, but a very good and very well coached team.  No problem with them top 10.  Georgetown is also a good team and will rise I feel.  They have talent a,d similar to N.C. State when they put it together they're a damn good team; when they don't they're very mediocre.


January 27th, 2013 at 10:50 PM ^

But they are winning.  They won 6 straight Big Ten games before today.  2 of those were road games at very tough venues (Carver Hawkeye, Kohl Center).  Today they again went to the wire with a top 5 team nationally, in their own house.  Obviously one can argue with Seth Davis' poll, which I personally agree with save for a bit of rearranging of a few teams, but the guy watches basketball day in and day out and has a good idea of who's good and who's better.  You're right in that Sparty has 4 losses and that should hurt them a bit when it comes to the polls.  But they are playing excellent ball right now and for a guy to rate them higher than other really good teams right now isn't far fetched; Sparty at this point in the season can compete with top notch teams (as they showed today).  KenPom has them has them at 16 FWIW.  Also FWIW, it pains me to write positively about Sparty!


January 27th, 2013 at 8:35 PM ^

Seems to me this is more of who he thinks are the best teams in the country. Not necessarily what the polls will reflect. I.e., MSU barely lost to IU and will drop due to that. However, they're probably still playing like a top 5-10 team right now.


January 27th, 2013 at 9:26 PM ^

Can't hold that against them. And they're absolutely murdering teams. The question is does beating bad teams by 30 say as much about you as beating good teams by 10-15. Rankings like Kenpom/ sagarin/ LRMC are built on the assumption that it does mean a lot and that it is predictive. And those rankings have Florida #1


January 27th, 2013 at 11:07 PM ^

You can hold how bad the SEC is against them.  It happens all the time. Gonzaga is 19-2 and would be ranked higher if they were in a better performing conferene.  The same goes for Oregon.   

Florida has beaten 1 ranked team all season.  They lost their two biggest non conference games to the #2 team in the Big12 and the #3 Pac12 team.  The combined Sec records of the teams Florida has played is 13-23 and that contingent has racked up losses to Southern Youngstown St., GT(last place in the ACC, USF (last place in the Big East), Iona,  Troy, Providence, Loyola Ill,  and Alabama A&M.  

In my opinion no one would be scared to see Florida in their bracket come March.


January 27th, 2013 at 8:45 PM ^

Looks like Mr. Davis doesn't take into account records. IMO way too high for both Gonzaga and butler. Both great mid major programs but put them in the big ten and they would be Purdue.


January 27th, 2013 at 11:20 PM ^

Butler (and Gonzaga I suppose) are probably 10-15 in the polls, becuase they will both lose games they should win, but in tournament play both of those teams are top ten programs. Butler's team defense will mess with even the top teams (maybe not Michigan though), because it isn't like what anyone else plays. Rotnei Clarke is Jimmer Fredette-lite, and Kellen Dunham is Stauskas-lite, Roosevelt Jones is every bit as good as Shelvin Mack was, though he's not much of a jump shooter. Butler is a team you do NOT want to have in your bracket, trust me.


January 27th, 2013 at 8:47 PM ^

MSU is solid. Gunna be great games. Should be toss ups with edge going to home court.

They have a team that can beat anyone at any time. All they're losses came when something went wrong. Appling tonight, for example. Honestly, they are good. Should be can't miss games.