Quad 1 Win Posbang

Submitted by Grampy on February 5th, 2023 at 3:24 PM

MBB deserves a posbang for playing their best game in while. Consider:

- closed out a win against a hungry team. NW was beat up and tired 

- Hunter played his best mix of post and block moves, only one foul, too

- McDaniels and Bufkin were solid at the 1 and 2

- and, of course, a quad 1 win!

NJblue2

February 5th, 2023 at 6:12 PM ^

He's been playing a lot better, but I don't think he's a NBA player. Now neither were Houstan and Diabate, but I think there's no shot Bufkin will even get drafted in the 2nd round. I think he's safely back next year. 

Dug and him are going to be really really good next year.

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njvictor

February 6th, 2023 at 8:29 AM ^

If he continues this level of play down the stretch, I could definitely see him potentially being draftable. His 3 point shooting has been up and he’s put together such complete stat lines that it will be hard for teams to ignore imo. Multiple NBA teams were there yesterday to watch Jett and Bufkin played great in front of them

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42-27

February 5th, 2023 at 5:35 PM ^

No, OSU is ranked 36th in NET and will only drop from here as they're collapsing.  Quad 1 wins are top 30 in NET at home.

They aren't a quad 1 win right now, and will definitely not be one at the end of the season.  No idea what OP is talking about.

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G. Gulo of the Dale

February 5th, 2023 at 3:32 PM ^

Maybe I'm being an idiot, but isn't OSU ranked outside the RPI top-100?  How would this be a Quad 1 win? 

I thought a home victory had to be over a top-30 opponent to be Quad 1 and an away victory had to be over a top-75 opponent.

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Bambi

February 5th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^

RPI isn't used, it hasn't been for 5 years at this point. It's based off of the NCAA's NET rankings.

Regardless this isn't a Q-1 win. Prior to the game OSU was #36 in NET, and Q-1 wins have to be over top 30 teams at home.

Our only two Q-1 wins right now are Maryland (#28) at home and Northwestern (#57) on the road, where on the road just needs to be a top 75 win for it to be Q1.

We were #74 prior to today, will probably jump into the 60's closer to the 50's after today.

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Bambi

February 5th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^

Minus Indiana at home this week, pretty much all our big Q1 opportunities will be road games. You probably want 4/5 Q1 wins minimum to not be sweating bullets come Selection Sunday, and Maryland at home is right on the cusp of falling off. 

At minimum we need 3 wins from both Indiana games, @ Wisconsin, @ Rutgers and @ Illinois. Plus we need Maryland to stay top 30, and ideally would like OSU to sneak into the top 30 and Pitt into the top 50 for additional Q1 wins. The path is there, but I'm still skeptical.

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bronxblue

February 5th, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^

If there were two games (hell 30 seconds) I'd change this year it would be the CMU loss and the Iowa loss on the road.  Reverse those two games and UM is 8-4 in conference with a handful of Quad 1 wins and no bad losses.  If they miss the tourney it'll be because of those two outcomes most likely.

Also, there's a non-zero chance that Wisconsin falls out of the top-75 per NET.  They're only 69th and could easily loss a couple of teams coming up before UM heads to the Trohl center.

 

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smwilliams

February 5th, 2023 at 4:58 PM ^

It's a long season, but this team really probably shouldn't be in the tournament. It wasn't like CMU came out of left field. They almost lost to two other MAC teams. But then could've beat Virginia, Kentucky, and UNC. Kentucky and UNC may not be Top 5 teams, but they're still good-ish.

Just a very weird season where they play up and down to their competition I guess.

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snarling wolverine

February 5th, 2023 at 7:58 PM ^

“Shouldn’t” has got nothing to do with it.  Either you make it in or you don’t.

This is a very young, inexperienced team.  A year ago we were hoping for at least one of Houstan/Diabate to stay and thought Frankie Collins would be our PG.  Then we thought Llewellyn was going to be our PG.  We did not expect Dug McDaniel to be a 35 mpg starter.  A lot of our inconsistency is just down to these players learning on the fly.  Regardless, if we can string enough wins, we can make it.

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bronxblue

February 5th, 2023 at 9:22 PM ^

Absolutely.  They tried to lose to Eastern, Ohio, hell even Jackson St. and Lipscomb gave them trouble.  But CMU is literally the worst team they played all year and they lost in the worst way possible (losing an ugly game where the other team didn't even play that well).  If they had lost the Ohio game, for example, that's a loss to the 158th-ranked NET team; the CMU loss is to the 319th-ranked team.  They're shitty even judged against bad teams.

Yeah, the UVa and UK games were ones they could have pulled out with slightly better play, but with UVa that's a top-10 team that just made plays at the end and UK was in England losing Llewellyn during the game.  You can get how those happen.  But UNC was just Dickinson playing terribly and they still nearly pulled it out.  That's a game it would have been nice to get back.

Yeah, right now I don't think they make it.  Now, if they go on some run and win 4 of the next 5 then we can talk; that's maybe 4 Quad 1/2 wins and suddenly their record looks fine because they're playing a top-20-ish schedule.  But they've gotta win those games and right now they do seem to play up and down to their competition too much.

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Monday Morning…

February 5th, 2023 at 7:57 PM ^

Hmm, I'd actually take two wins over any of the decent to good teams we've played if I could only reverse two outcomes. Good wins seem to matter a lot more than bad losses in recent years. We'll have some opportunities coming up though, as most of the teams left on our schedule are likely (MSU, Rutgers) or sure (Indiana, Illinois) tourney teams at this point. 

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bronxblue

February 5th, 2023 at 9:14 PM ^

Sure, I'm just thinking of losses that came down to mere seconds.  And I do think that CMU loss matters; it's an anchor on the resume that they can't easily offset.  And there's a difference between losing to, say, the 100th-ranked team (Nebraska) and the 319th-ranked team (CMU) at home.  It's just a bad loss that does matter if we're arguing at the corners who gets in and who doesn't.  

The reason the Iowa loss stings is (a) they had that sewn up, and (b) that's the type of win that isn't going to drop out of Quad 1.  The Maryland win, for example, is reliant on Maryland staying in the top-30, which isn't a given.  A road win at Iowa stays Quad 1 unless the Hawkeyes fall out of the top-75, which is basically impossible barring some epic collapse (they're 33rd now).  So that's why it would be nicer to have that in the pocket.  Hell, beating Wisconsin on the road might not even qualify as a Quad 1 win by the end of the year given how the Badgers are struggling.

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MaizenBlue93

February 5th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^

That was one of the weirdest games I've attended. Crisler was about 60% full (large sections throughout the upper deck completely empty.) I would've thought it'd be a sell out. Even though it's a down year, all hope isn't lost

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