OT - 6/21 Euros/Copa America Open Thread

Submitted by bacon1431 on June 21st, 2021 at 8:56 AM

Group A finished yesterday with Italy and Wales securing spots in the knockout stage. Turkey has been eliminated and Switzerland finished third with 4 points and a -1 goal difference. They will have to await the results of the next few days to see if they advance or not. 

Saturday was the most entertaining day of the tournament, with Spain and Poland drawing, Hungary holding onto the draw against France and the goal fest of Germany's 4-2 win over Portugal. 

Today, we get group B and C finishing up. As it stands, Belgium are guaranteed a spot in the knockouts. Russia and Finland would need wins to guarantee advancing. Denmark have 0 points, but a win against Russia would make things interesting. In Group C, Netherlands have won the group. Ukraine and Austria both sit at 3 points and play each other today and sit in 2nd and 3rd in the group. North Macedonia cannot advance. 

12pm - Ukraine v Austria - ESPN

12pm - North Macedonia v Netherlands - ESPN2

3pm - Russia v Denmark - ESPN

3pm - Finland v Belgium - ESPN2

In Copa America, still early in the group stages. The games have been very entertaining, but the stakes are fairly low since four of the top 5 in each group advance to the knockouts. But we should see some good matches today. 

5pm - Uruguay v Chile - FS1

8pm - Argentina v Paraguay - FS1

Jon06

June 21st, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^

Hard to decide whether I want to see Denmark or Finland go through. Usually I like Finland better, but Blind Channel was hard on the ears, and it would make for a special tournament if Eriksen's teammates can rally without him.

I guess my main hope for today's games is that nothing absurdly dangerous or violent happens while my children are watching. This tournament has been brutal.

A general question: is there a reason to dislike the French team? Mbappé has been amazing to watch, but it kind of feels wrong cheering for them. I'm only a very occasional soccer viewer, so please present reasons in either direction, even if you think I should already know about them.

brad

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:04 AM ^

The French are not rude.  They are just less hesitant to correctly identify you as an outsider when you go there not speaking any French and not knowing where you're going.

Any culture that prizes the little politenesses of hello, goodbye, please and thank you, as the French do, can't be considered rude.  

Jon06

June 22nd, 2021 at 4:40 AM ^

It's too big of a country to be rude or otherwise in general. In my experience of Bordeaux, people were shockingly polite. In Paris, they can be assholes to tourists, as can denizens of any big city.

One thing that I think happens to tourists a lot is that Parisians pretend not to speak English. Sometimes people just openly refuse to speak English, even when you know otherwise. I was once trying to buy a train ticket, and the guy told me his colleague spoke English, and his colleague pointed at the Spanish flag pin on his chest, and said "today I speak Spanish" in French. So I started speaking Spanish to him. He was really not very happy that he had to help me. But a lot of these unpleasant experiences are avoided if you start by trying to speak French, even if your French is awful. 

If there is a general issue that Americans have with French people, it's that they are too similar. Both tend to think their country is the greatest, and that everyone should speak their language. What's funny is that we can tell it's ridiculous when the French do it, but not when we do.

CRISPed in the DIAG

June 21st, 2021 at 10:54 AM ^

International team play isn't the best way to fly in to soccer viewing, but YMMV. You see brilliant players but oftentimes the quality of play suffers because the teams don't have enough time to jell and group play can lead to ties when sides become overly happy with defensive play ("parking the bus"). 

And to be honest club fans spend a lot of time crossing their fingers hoping the studs don't get injured or play too many minutes.

Hab

June 21st, 2021 at 11:18 AM ^

I've never gotten excited for the Euros.  World Cup, of course.  But it does highlight certain players in addition to the Messi/Ronaldo/Robben that always play for the biggest clubs.  You can find a few players that perform above themselves and can track them back to their home clubs, which can spark an interest there.  More often than not, I've found myself more interested in the teams from Eastern Europe, mostly because I've tended to dismiss them out of hand, only to see them pull off something unexpected.

CRISPed in the DIAG

June 21st, 2021 at 4:22 PM ^

Yes. The second City/Liverpool in 18/19 when City took over the table from Liverpool was the best 2-1 match I've seen. There was defense and offense, both sides well matched and fit. THAT's the sort of match someone new to the game should be watching.

Not a 0-0 snoozefest between two teams that just need a point/draw to get to the knockouts. 

bacon1431

June 21st, 2021 at 11:08 AM ^

I'm an Italian supporter, so I don't like the French because they have beaten Italy in a few tournaments over the decades, though Italy has won a few as well. 

But the biggest reason to root against them is that they're the favorite. And because I feel like Deschamps really doesn't get the best out of them. They are by far the most talented team of the last half decade. And they have succeeded almost in spite of him IMO. But I don't dislike their players. Mbappe is crazy fun to watch. Pogba looks much much different for the national team than he does at ManU. Kante is just a brick wall across the front of the defense. 

bacon1431

June 21st, 2021 at 8:05 PM ^

Uruguay-Chile was an ok game. Thought there’d be more chances than there were. 
 

Argentina-Paraguay just kicked off. Argentina should get three points but Paraguay are a sneaky good team 

Hab

June 22nd, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^

I caught the second half of this game, where Paraguay dominated possession and the chances.  It was such a breath of fresh air compared to watching the European version of the game.  The thing that stood out to me was the speed at which they played and with how much space.  This wasn't the casual trot into our formation, pass a few times to get to the opponent's third and then try and break down the D.  But neither was it sprint away on the counterattack.  Very entertaining stuff, even though Paraguay couldn't find that one touch to take advantage of their opportunities.  I do wish they had played one or two their corners into the box rather than playing them short, but oh well.