Official Vent Thread

Submitted by jsquigg on October 27th, 2012 at 11:18 PM

It was looking ok until Denard went out and our defense decided to implode and Bellomy couldn't make a throw to save his life.  Commence the bitching.  Oh, and the refs where all around the worst I've seen this year both ways.  Whisky time....



October 27th, 2012 at 11:45 PM ^

No B1G this year.. Maybe if we win out and little brother beats nebreska.. But you can thank Denard and Russ for the game... i am so damn furious. I hope hoke runs the shit out of them monday


October 27th, 2012 at 11:58 PM ^

How many points did we have before Denard went out? How many did we score against MSU with Denard in the whole game?  How about at ND as Al called the Smith throw or the play-actions?  This offense is terrible largely because of Borges and mitigated only a bit by Denard's talent.

In time we will all look back on Denard's senior year, which was remarkably injury-free and shared with senior talent at the skill positions, and stand aghast at how we could fail to score TDs in three (so far) games. Borges is a problem.

Sten Carlson

October 28th, 2012 at 3:25 PM ^

Borges is most decidedly NOT the problem, and anyone that promotes that theory is only displaying their utter ignorance of what makes an offense work.

Michigan's offensive issues stem from a woefully untalented and underperforming OLine.  It's very difficult, to impossible, to have an effective offense when your OL cannot block your base running game effectively.  When you run the ball well, the other team has to adjust to stop it, and then everything opens up.  When you cannot, the opposoing defense is able to stay it their base set and don't need to take chances.

Again guys, this is a very simple issue that everyone is over complicating in their zeal to find a scapegoat.  Why do you think Hoke has been recruiting the OL so hard?  Ya think it might be because Michigan's OL is weak, and even with "veteran" players is underperforming?

NOLA Wolverine

October 27th, 2012 at 11:47 PM ^

What did everyone expect? We took a shitty Michigan State team down to a last second field   goal and justified it by saying "uhhhhh MSU must have played really fantastic today!" What'd you want, to get tagged by Stanford in the Rose Bowl?


October 27th, 2012 at 11:48 PM ^

A few things

1. It wasn't going well prior to Denard going out.  The offense looked like sh*t even with Denard in, granted better, but still pretty bad.  We have no push up front.  We couldn't run the ball.  We weren't moving the ball with much consistency and didn't get any TDs.  Heck we haven't scored a TD in two games.

2. This game exposed a LOT of our weaknesses.  If you take away the underneath throws not only can we not beat you deep but we can't run the football on you either making our offense unable to move the ball.  We get no push up front from the offensive line.  We can't get a pash rush from our front four.  Our secondary is not that great.  And, our recievers aren't that good either. 

3.  Why didn't they put Garnder in?  I would like an explanation.  I'm not saying I know more than the coach, maybe they saw something in practice, but I want to understand their thinking.  At some point, what could it hurt?  Are we really worried about Bellomy's psyche?   Isn't it the coache's job to play the best players?  I've heard them say Gardner is our backup QB, so why not put him in once we realized Denard wasn't coming back and Bellomy was ineffective?

4. At least we get Minnesota next week, then again it's on the road, ugh.

5. Why is there such a big discrepency in our point outputs from game to game?  

6. If Denard doesn't come back, can we expect to beat Iowa or Northwestern?...we do get them both at home.

7. This makes me really nervous for next year.  Our defense will improve, but we lose some of our offensive line, maybe Lewan, and Denard.  Can we move the ball without Denard, especially assuming we won't have a great running game (assumption there since we don't have one now)?

OK indulgence in the rant now over.  I still love our coaches and have faith in Hoke et al. to right the ship.  In all honesty I expected us to be 8-4 this year and we are looking the part of an 8-4 team.  I also expected us to be in a rebuilding mode next year transitioning from Denard not being there.  And, I expect us to blow up in 2014.  All that still seems likely.  Lets hang on to Conley, land Green & Treadwell, wake up tomorrow and get back to work.


October 27th, 2012 at 11:50 PM ^

How in the world does Bellomy even got a full ride scholarship to Michigan? Who scouted this kid? He a faster running version of Nick Sheridan. He was

God awful.

Without Denard there are NO Playmakers on this offense. Denard IS the offense. What will next year look like?

This oline is the opposite of what Hoke preaches. No toughness or physicality. They can't manhandle anyone. It's shocking how bad the running game looks. Take away Denard and there is NO

Running game. No one took a leadership role and stepped up and made a damn play.

But back to my main point, how the hell did Bellomy end up at the winningest college program of all time?


October 27th, 2012 at 11:50 PM ^

Wow they really should disable or moderate all new thread posts for 4 hours after a loss give peopl time to get over the butthurt and disappointment. This thread is fail and looks like something that can be found on RCMB. Go to bed, post tomorrow when youve had a chance to contemplate the fact that we are changing to O from what it was, and that going 11-2 last year has completely distorted some peoples logic concering the rethink of a teams playstyle and the time table involved. Next year will be a better benchmark on the direction of the program.


October 28th, 2012 at 12:33 AM ^

For the last time, we don't moderate individual comments. 

With that said, we ARE moderating the board. I'd love to go to bed after a long evening out, but instead I'm reading 98's bullshit and trying to devise an appropriate punishment (my thought: Spanish Inquisition).


October 28th, 2012 at 12:44 AM ^

Fair enough guess it goes from normal to trolling on its own, or I just plain out dont understand the mechanics of the board(I don't)


Why vent now? Thats the point of my posts when you're agnry you're not really as thoughtfull as you might otherwise be. The post of mine that got hit as trolling was a toss out to stop threads being posted for 4 hours after a loss or atleast heavily moderated to  prevent the type of posts we all laugh about in TWIS, now if we laugh at TWIS we're just hypocrites. So fail thread killed funny feel better about ourseves thread(article? blog?)


October 27th, 2012 at 11:50 PM ^

Red Stag on the rocks and Busch Light...lots of this back and forth.  This is the only rational way I can vent right now. Otherwise, my venting may be as ineffective as our entire offensive existence.

Bill the Butcher

October 28th, 2012 at 11:01 AM ^

This x10000000!!!  I know fitz hasn't looked great this year, but honestly, I don't see him missing that many holes.  I see him getting frustrated by the lack of holes and then becoming impatient when running.

The only reason Denard has been able to run well at all this year is his own God given ability or the help of an extra blocker.  The line has been very poor.  Barnum and Mealer especially.  


October 27th, 2012 at 11:53 PM ^

I dont blame the players, especially Bellamy, I blame Hoke and Borges all the way on this one, they failed to give these guys the motivation that this game was not lost. There was zero sense of urgency to win this game, 5 minutes to go we're making plays finally and the players are walking back to the line of scrimmage? I dont think so you play 2-minute drill football and you play to frickin win! Not taking timeouts to try and get our offense the ball? This was a pathetic coaching performance and one of the most disappointing Michigan losses Ive watched, this is more painful than the RR era because expectations are higher. The coaches should have been giving Gardner reps at qb all season, and they need to get Fitz out of their ass and give the ball to Thomas Rawls. Ridiculous, lose the stubbornous (coaches) and play to win.  I hate this

Indiana Blue

October 27th, 2012 at 11:54 PM ^

but once the 2nd half started and NO Denard ..... it was over and we all should have known it. Defense played well considering they also knew that the offense wasn;t going to score a bunch of points.   Oh yeah ... the refs absolutely SUCKED, except for the fact that Nebraska's secondary could allplay for sparty ... fucking head hunters !!!!

OK .. vent over ..... go blue ......

Generic MGoBlogger

October 27th, 2012 at 11:57 PM ^

Michigan 5-3, Ohio State and Notre Dame undefeated, Tigers down 3-0 in the series, learning that Michigan could seriously be screwed without Denard next season... All I can say is: Is it basketball season yet?


October 27th, 2012 at 11:57 PM ^

I don't know what im more angry about:

Scenario #1  Early on with Bellomy in game, receivers could not catch the fucking ball to maintain any semblance of momentum.  I mean help the fucking quarterback out!!!!!!!

Scenario #2  Notre Dame housing Oklahoma and how we totally should have beaten them...  commence the Notre Dame is #1 or #2 talk.  God they are so over-rated!!!!  Their quality wins are us?  (clearly overrated) and now Oklahoma (also ALWAYS overrated).  Bob Stoops is great at losing every big game he coaches in....

I honestly think I'm more mad about Notre Dame now that I spell it out but I can't really tell... I'm just so fucking mad


October 27th, 2012 at 11:58 PM ^

We now have field goal kicking.  AND we should have field goal kicking for some period of time.  I am trying to find some silver lining on this somber as hell evening.