MSU Snowflakes: The Offense
October 7th, 2017 at 11:28 PM ^
Harbaugh might as well play Peters and break him this season so he can be ready next season. I don't want to see either O'korn or sp8 play for us again.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^
Speaking as a non-expert on QB development, I can think of only a single reason not to play Peters: He could get "Gardner'd" in a lasting way playing behind that offensive line.
Otherwise, why not? This season looks like toast. Start planning for next year. I'm sure Khalid, Maurice, and Mike (seniors who probably hoped for better) wouldn't mind.
OT: Look what RichRod's back-up QB did tonight:
October 7th, 2017 at 11:28 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:29 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:29 PM ^
Can someone explain what makes Pep Hamilton such a bigshot of a hot name around the country? I can't seem to figure that out.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
His name is Pep?
October 7th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^
Only one letter away from pee, which is what he seems to have done all over the playbooks.
October 8th, 2017 at 2:01 AM ^
October 8th, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^
Because the offense and playcalling both looked better last season. Brian had it nailed: Don't try to run inside on this team because their only advantage on defense (a very big advantage) isr run-stuffing. And what do we do all game?
October 7th, 2017 at 11:29 PM ^
Any offense better than inept wins that game handily.
The D kept giving the O a chance. If I was Don Brown I would kick some ass in the coaches lounge.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:29 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
Ok, now..
OL was dominated in the first half, played better in second. Even Cole and Bredeson.
WRs look raw and lack experience(Perry is exception)
Mediocre QBs do not winning games
Play calling has to get better
Higdon looks like the lead back. Isaac and Evans are ok, but not game breakers.
Okorn looked like he was a freshman
Weather didn't help
No where to go but up after a performance like this
Not enough playmakers to beat Wis, PSU or OSU.
Think 8-4, 7-5 and nothing Bowl.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:39 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
i think thats his point.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
But the real culpability in on the entire offensive staff.
In general they have failed to use the pieces they have in an intelligent way. And tonight they failed to have plays ready to expoint MSU tendencies on D. Mind boggling.
Offesnive game plans have been terrible for several weeks now.
As for the mediocre line play, poor QB play, receivers not being elite, etc., a lot of it is down to roster problems and/or youth.
Not letting the players off the hook at all. At the same time, DPJ is a true freshman, Ulizio is what he is. Cole is a decent LT, but he will probably play center in the NFL. And there was a legit reason O'Korn was behind Speight, etc., etc., etc.
The offensive personnel at some spots is just mediocre. And at others is is too young.
TL;DR--JH, Drevno, and Pep need to seriously re-think what they are doing. The offensive game plans are uncreative, fail to expoit what opposing D's give, and fail to be built aroind the fact that this 0-line is nto elite and simply cannot impose its will against 8-9 man in the box defenses.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:08 AM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
With this offense you're not gonna win any of the more difficult games on the schedule, its 4 loss minimum IMO - Additional Ls vs Wisconsin, PSU, OSU seem virtually nailed on - others can't be ruled out with any certainty.
The bye week and the brief offensive success vs a short-handed and tired Purdue D probably allowed some here to forget the struggles for the remaining 3 and 2/3 games but that's what we got. It's not saving plays for the big games, it's not gonna improve overnight.
Truth be told, I'm not sold on Pep Hamilton. I think we've gone from OK to subterranean in the passing game and whatever they're trying to do in the passing game it's a disaster. I could tell it's a disaster on the 1st drive of the game when they went for 2 of the exact same pass plays in the red zone that didn't work in previous games and got not even close to working *again*.
You know, I don't want the receivers to get off lightly here because they do bear a good chunk of the responsibility. Sometimes we put so much weight on the QB, the O-Line, the coaches, we forget that receivers also play a big role in making an offense work. These receivers - right now - are pretty bad as well. There's nary a bright spot on offense and you know it again goes back to the coaches. They're not especially experienced but there's no excuse to make every D look like Michigan's vs Rutgers in 2016 (slight exaggeration ofc).
October 7th, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:35 PM ^
Oh shut the hell up. Speight wouldn't have done shit tonight either. O'Korn just about took that last drive into the end zone. If frickin McDoom wasn't a butter finger. Speight wouldn't have got that ball there. Would've skipped off the turf five yards in front of Eddie. You idiot.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:38 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:57 PM ^
true.
Very unlikely that Speight would have thrown as many picks.
But the moronic offensive game plan would have made it hard to win even with Speight.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:56 AM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
I don't know, I just don't understand football anymore. I think it's plain and simple. Drevno is in over his head with coordinating and playcalling. The offensive line hurts because of it. I think you have to hand it over to Frey on the o-line and bring in a seasoned coordinator WHO HAS WON BIG GAMES and is seasoned. I don't think Jim is a good play caller either. He cant handle that and head coach at the same time. He has the bigger picture and is worried because he has to be. His offensive coaches never get it done. Jim needs help and his head men aren't the answer. It's fricking obvious. Cant always blame the players.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
Drevno, Pep, whoever is developing the OL and calling plays, is abysmal. No creativity. No development. Wtf happened during their bye week? Harbaugh is taking a major hit this year, this team will get smoked by PSU and OSU. Won’t beat Wisconsin on the road. Just awful. Thank god for Don Brown
October 7th, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
The final score in Madison might very well be 3-2.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:44 PM ^
October 8th, 2017 at 12:03 AM ^
October 8th, 2017 at 12:09 AM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
I think O'Korn just threw another pick.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
how did crwford drop that ball... obviously is wasnt why they lost but that catch would have changed the last 30 seconds of that game dramatically. that final "heave" couldve been from inside the 15 instead of the 37
October 7th, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
It was McDoom that dropped the ball with about 20 seconds left.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:39 PM ^
oops! duh, not thinking clearly whether its the booze or the bewilderment
October 7th, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:42 PM ^
yes, my bad
October 7th, 2017 at 11:38 PM ^
Wasn't that McDoom? But yea, your point still holds true. That drop is inexcusable.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:41 PM ^
yes it was mcdoom my bad
October 7th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^
October 8th, 2017 at 12:26 AM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:45 PM ^
i meant mcdoom, im an idiot, my bad. its not letting me edit
October 7th, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
October 7th, 2017 at 11:48 PM ^
Geez O'Korn was bad tonight. There's no way you go with Speight though unless he gets possessed by some bad ass demon that has nuts. Speight is not good anymore, that's the facts. Peters would be mistakes waiting to happen too but I still say you have to play for the future if the B1G championship is out of reach. Don't play the season out with John or Wilton when he comes back if they are going to perform like this. There's no reason to do it. Give me one reason why playing them over Peters makes sense?
Edit: Who gives a fuck about the bowl game if the B1G championship isn't involved in the outcome. It means nothing. Next season means everything once the CONFERENCE TITLE is out of the picture.
October 7th, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
Agreed. There is no way we're beating PSU, OSU, or Wisconsin. No way. So, with 8-4 as the ceiling, just throw Peters in and see if he's a gamer. Season is pretty much lost anyway.
October 8th, 2017 at 1:53 AM ^
I watched PSU today and I totally think we can beat them. I truly believe we beat them and Wisc is a toss up. Our D is really good. If our offense can just find a little identity we can beat them. It was total crap today .. but I just feel all is not lost.