Let's Try to Be Realistic at This Junction...

Submitted by Mhpangr on

 

So reading some of the message board responses today, I came across this comment and felt I had to respond:

....but the people on this board who are defending RR more so than their University and its fans aren't real fans in my book.  "He won't have the arrogance and constant bashing by fans" etc.; this is bullshit.  Why don't you guys go follow RR over to whatever school he ends up at if he is fired! (I am in no way a Rich Rod hater. I believe whatever coach is here next year needs to compete for the Big Ten Title next year considering that we have so many returning contributors.

So assuming Harbaugh is hired... he must compete for a Big 10 championship against established teams in our division such as MSU and Nebraska?  This is also under the assumption that he gets ALL of his starters back (no transfers?) and no losses in the recruiting market?

You are also assuming the offense makes it back to a top 20 outfit (I'm giving you a little wiggle room) and he's as much a defensive genius as RR is on offense and he turns our D into something respectable at say around top 1/2 in the country? 

Oh yeah... and assuming Denard wants to stick around to keep making plays for us (or if Harbaugh will even let him stay at QB) - let's remember that Denard is not a clean passer and a switch to an OSU-type pro offense has not done wonders for the likes of Pryor (who most have said is not meeting expectations), who has more of a pro-style frame/arm than Denard.  

If Denard does stay, do we give Harbaugh flack if he DOESN'T implement a spread O?  I mean, what fraction of this website's contingent constantly rides RR for not "conforming to his players' skills" in 2008?  Your #1 and #3 running back recruits are also in danger because they do not fit the bill of Harbaugh's style of O.  Are we willing to lose them and not suffer a drop-off in talent?

If he DOESN'T compete for a Big10 championship next year, is he then on the hot seat for not meeting this expectation?  By firing RR, you then set a bar of expectation that by all accounts you MUST apply to the next person in line.  

In addition, do we just ignore all of Harbaugh's past indiscretions (DUIs, comments in the media, comments about UM academics) or do we constantly give him a hard time like some have done to RR?  

While I don't endorse a preference of whether to keep RR or hire Harbaugh (a case can be made for both and I don't know if I really mind either decision), comments like this are setting a major precedent for the successor.  Two sets of rules cannot be applied just because you think Harbaugh is a "Michigan Man".  

Reminder - Stanford has played ONE currently ranked team this year and lost handily by 21 (another spread O team similar to M's).  He also wasn't a success overnight over there, going 4-8, 5-7, and finally 8-5 in year 3.  This is eerily similar to what is going on now here at UM.  

So I think we should be cautious at anointing Jim Harbaugh as our Savior because it becomes dangerous when you stand back and look at where our program officially stands at this point.  Every transition has its speed bumps. 

KC Wolve

November 29th, 2010 at 8:36 PM ^

Each and every time I have come here the last several days I am amazed that I am not allowed to post a new topic.
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<br>I have nothing to post about, but neither do most of you.

bleuadams

November 30th, 2010 at 12:56 PM ^

*****THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POST TO READ BECAUSE IT'S 'THE' TRUTH*****

#1) Michigan is NOT Jim Harbaugh's 'dream job.'  He wants an NFL job, because him and his brother are so competitive.  SD, SF, Oak and Car (and maybe even Dal and Min) are all going to be fighting over him this off-season.

#2) Dave Brandon is going to be doing absolutely everything he can to convince him to come to Michigan over the next month.

#3) In all likelihood, Rich Rod will be brought back (signing a two year extension after the bowl game), and Greg Robinson will be replaced (along with the 3-3-5).  Ron English is supposedly an early DC candidate. 

HHW

November 29th, 2010 at 8:32 PM ^

it's time to freeze/delete any thread that even remotely discusses the Michigan coaching situation.  If not, it's going to be a long December.

MazenBlue4ever

November 29th, 2010 at 8:42 PM ^

Like I keep saying just Stick it out with RRod. JH or any other coach isnt the fix or solution.Michigan fans and Alum need to stick it out before we become ND which is on its 4th coach since 2001 LOL.

switch26

November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 PM ^

I know there has been a shitload of posts about this, but i can't say i disagree..  I am a RR supporter through and through, at least for him to get a chance to play HIS team with mostly upper classmen, even though the D will still be young. 

The biggest thing to me is ya Harbaugh is turning around Stanford blah blah.. they were pretty bad, but so was WVU when RR took over

 

Harbaughs record looks nice on paper, but like the OP said, he hasn't played anyone to think that he could come here, throw out the spread and win with even higher expectations?

Black and Blue

November 29th, 2010 at 8:57 PM ^

 I am a RR supporter through and through, at least for him to get a chance to play HIS team with mostly upper classmen, even though the D will still be young. 

I was in the RR camp until UM lost soundly to every decent team. 

What I think the main issue here between JH and RR is if RR gets that 4th year, will we compete for titles?  Probably not. Then RR is probably gone and so is JH at that point in time.

BondQuest

November 29th, 2010 at 9:03 PM ^

...whoever coaches next season will have a young defense to live with.

Our young defensive backs have gotten almost two years worth of experience with all the time they spent on the field. That is going to be a plus.

But, they are still going to be a young group who haven't developed to their full physical sizes. That takes time and is going to be a minus for next season as it was this year.

I was expecting this year would likely be a 7-5 year and next year will likely be 8-4. It does not matter who coaches the team, that is about the best we can expect to realistically see happen.

Building a team that wins consistently is going to be at least two years off. Too many people expect instant gratification and will be unhappy due to their own expectations.

It will be 2012, when Denard and Tate are seniors, that Michigan will again have enough seniors and juniors who are talented players, (and at their full size), available to make us all happy with how the team is performing.