High Profile Hires

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In my opinion, people on here are way too hung up about getting high profile people for our open AD and coaching spots. I do not care if the next AD was an assistant manager at a YMCA, as long as people came from four counties over to see such a well run YMCA for themselves. Dave Brandon was as high profile as one could get. Major CEO, political aspirations, news anchor hair. In hindsight, a well trained labrador would have been a better candidate. So if our next coach comes from some mining school in rural Colorado, fear not. I'd rather give a completely off the grid genius a chance than learn how stupid we would be to hire Miles, Kiffin, or Bielema.

Mr. Yost

November 4th, 2014 at 8:03 AM ^

He may have been in the state of Michigan.

But it's not like anyone in the athletics world really knew his name. It's not like other schools (outside of the state) were beating down his door to be their AD. To me, that is a high profile AD.

Jeff Long is a high profile AD, Joe Castiglione is a high profile AD, Jeremy Foley, Tom Jurich, Oliver Luck, Pat Haden, Gene Smith, Kevin White, Joe Alleva, Steve Patterson, Kevin Anderson...those are all powerful ADs.

Those guys move the needle in athletics administration. Guys who lead NCAA committees and are presidents of NACDA. Dave Brandon was a pizza CEO.

I'm not saying he wasn't known, just that outside of Michigan, the thought of him being an AD wasn't anything anyone was considering. 

Give me Greg Byrne from Arizona, Warde Manuel from UConn or Oliver Luck from WVU. (Byrne/Luck #1, Manuel #3) *Assuming we have no shot at Foley or Jurich*

Give one of those guys and...whew! I'll be doing my happy dance all day and night.

alum96

November 4th, 2014 at 8:34 AM ^

I dont know these guys like you do but for example a guy like Jurich hired Petrino post scandal.  This is the part about self limiting I wrote about - half the people would scream bloody murder if we hired someone who hired someone of the ethics of Petrino.  Even if he is an excellent football coach. 

On paper guy hired Charlie Strong (who I like a lot more than Mullen for his actual HC football background) and convinced Rick Pitino to come "home".  And Louisville is 1 school who is doing very well in both major sports. But again - the Petrino thing would have so many up in arms. 

Mr. Yost

November 4th, 2014 at 5:48 PM ^

You can hire Petrino at Louisville post scandal, you can't at Michigan. I don't knock Jurich for that. I still wouldn't have done it because I think Petrino is a snake in the grass and a POS. But It's not like Rick Pitino is a choir boy.

I would be screaming bloody murder if we hiring someone like Petrino. I'd feel really uncomfortable about hiring a Calipari or Petino type too, despite the proven track record of winning.

But you can't compare one hire at Louisville to a hypothetical hire at Michigan.

Jurich had the support and even demand to go get Petrino, he's well liked there. That's not going to fly at Michigan - ever.

I think he's smart enough to know the difference. I don't think it's a situation where like Rich Rod was still trying to get the same kids into Michigan as he was at WVU and then throwing a fit and blaming Admissions when his guys didn't qualify. I'm pretty sure he broke some kind of record of guys who didn't qualify and never got through fall semester at Michigan.

Anyway, one hire like Petrino doesn't scare me from one of the three most respected ADs in the country. Petrino doesn't fly at Michigan.

Like I've said over and over, hiring a football coach isn't all on the AD. That's why I don't only look at who you've hired to gauge success. At Louisville, Jurich had the support and demand to hire/keep guys like Petrino/Pitino. At Michigan there will be different demands that he has to take into consideration and we all know it won't be to hire guys with questionable character.

Everyone Murders

November 4th, 2014 at 8:09 AM ^

The OP raises valid points, but in doing so transitions from "big name" AD considerations to "big name" coach considerations.  I don't think they're interchangeable.

I couldn't give a grouper's pooper (yeah, I said it!) about whether the new AD is a "big name".  I want someone competent, with business savvy, but also blessed with ears that hear and a sense of what makes Michigan special.  (Hint - it isn't Special K.)  I'm not even sure what a "big name" AD is - the best ones seem to do their jobs well while staying out of the spotlight.

On the coaching side, though, being a "big name" hire matters.  Not as much as coaching and recruiting competency, management ability, and ethics.  But you usually become a "big name" coach by showing some exceptional ability, and I think that is only beneficial to the program.

MGlobules

November 4th, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^

Manuel as AD, Harbaugh as HC, and a strong message from the get-go--perhaps from Harbaugh himself--that Michigan was going to educate its players. And that is not to denigrate Hoke's effort; I know that he's been getting them to class.

I want to have a message out there that's meaningful to all of the parents of prospective poor and working class kids that they are going to end up with a meaningful sheepskin, and the discipline that came from working their behinds off on and off the field.

Then when Harbaugh says we win on these, our own demanding terms, that means something, to the whole Michigan community. Those who say we can't be Stanford are aiming too damned low.

OkinawaGoBlue

November 4th, 2014 at 8:19 AM ^

being able to get a Harbaugh-level coach.  I believe there is someone somewhere out there that is the "off-the-grid genius" you speak of.  I thought Hoke would be the guy, but apparently not.  Sadly or not, the impatience of fans, et al and the "win now" mentality won't give him another year to get it done.  Not sure 4 years is enough, but I understand the frustration when you look at the success of other coaches at other schools.  Although, didn't it take Dantonio longer than 4 to get where they are now?

 

BigT

November 4th, 2014 at 8:27 AM ^

I'm not sure if you were making an argument that we should give Brady more time to right the ship here, but I don't think this is an issue of a "win now mentality". My problem is that we've seen a regression. I think 4 years is a large enough same size to evaluate a coach based on improvement on the field.

LDNfan

November 4th, 2014 at 8:50 AM ^

I think patience and steadiness is critical to any program that is trying to achieve sustainable success....and I'm one that thinks Hoke hotseat this year has more to do with trends and the general bumbling that we've witnessed in press conferences and on the sideline. If the record was even one game better than last year, if the team lost games but played the best on the schedule close, if the comments coming out of the press conferences felt like focused, intelligible leadership..then I for one would still be on the bandwagon bec. yeah 4 years post RR isn't nec. enough time to build a championship team. But it is enough time to get a sense of a team's direction, to build a strong team. And this season went south fast...same for last season. So, enough is enough.

ih8losing

November 4th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^

I couldn't agree more. Everyone lives in the what have you done for me lately mentality and I get that, but saying enough is enough when it comes to this coaching staff is not representative of that mentality, rather, it is indicative of the decline the football program has seen in the last 3 years under Hoke. 

Funny how many people seem to be ok with the potential of Hoke coming back and even bringing up the scenario of Michigan winning out, after we beat Indiana... I repeat, Indiana! This team couldn't even beat Rutgers on the road, anyone seriously think we will have a chance to beat OSU? crazy...

I wish it would become reality but I honestly don't know how we will be able to bring Jim Harbaugh in when we're going to take 18-24 months to hire an AD. To me,  a strong name for the Head Football coach position is of greater importance than the AD. Football struggling will eventually decrease revenue to all other non-revenue generating sports. 

 

#GoBlue

AmishRule

November 4th, 2014 at 8:52 AM ^

Sorry, can't go where you are going.

We have been significant in name only for many years. Your train of thought of finding the needle in a haystack is high risk and more probable to keep us insignificant for several more years.

I really don't want my children to inherit worthless season football tickets.

Magnum P.I.

November 4th, 2014 at 10:05 AM ^

The problem with the Hoke hire is that he clearly was not a genius in any way. His singular strength is genuineness. This is not enough to succeed as head coach at a big time program. His value-added is extremely low, and this isn't 1980 where you can just get by with having bigger, stronger players. You have to be a thinking man. Some coaches are non-thinkers but they surround themselves with thinkers. Hoke surrounded himself with Mark Smith and Darrell Funk. We need a coach who thinks, whether high profile or not. "I'm not comfortable with it" should not be an acceptable criterion for coaching decisions at Michigan. The head coach at Michigan should be able to articulate why he does certain things--what the strategic rationale is.

Njia

November 4th, 2014 at 10:30 AM ^

Arguably, John L Smith cleaned up a lot of the Bobby Williams mess, particularly off the field, leaving Dantonio something to work with. Sparty still had issues, of course, but nothing compared to what JLS inherited.

Having said that, the year-by-year improvement of Dantonio's teams was obvious to everyone, including us. It took him all of 4 years to be competing for B1G championships, not struggling for bowl eligibility.

Blue Mike

November 4th, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

Dantonio was 11-1 and won the B1G in his 4th season.  And his teams were getting better every year.  And he could win on the road.  And, and and.  Can we please drop the "4 years isn't enough time" excuse?  This team is not getting better.  What do you see on the field that leads you to believe that suddenly everything is going to click, either next week or next year?

Jim Harbaugh

November 4th, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^

Sooo basically you're telling me we dont want a high profile coach with a proven winning resume and we should hope for another coach who has a .500 level record in the MAC? Sounds about right.

AMazinBlue

November 4th, 2014 at 8:55 AM ^

on the next head coach of the football program.  That will be the initial 'canvas' he/she gets painted on.   Because this program and athletic dept cannot afford to get this one wrong, the focus on this AD having the perfect mix of talent and experience is creating a heightened sense of AD awareness.  DB being DB also has made many very sensitive to this hire as well.  Having said that, I hope they hire a top AD that has 'big boy' AD experience and understands how vital the football program is to the entire dept and university experience.  Given that criteria, I'm not sure an AD from Dartmouth or NW might get that as well as a Jeff Long, Brad Bates or the guy from Oklahoma.   Yes, my agenda is to make sure we get Jim Harbaugh if he wants the job, which apparently his dad has very recently said he does.  For that to happen, we need to hire and AD that will make that priority 1 and then move to all other things.  Beyond that, the above driteria is key to success.

maize-blue

November 4th, 2014 at 9:33 AM ^

I'm not concerned about how well known the next AD is or is not. The "big name" HC candidates are also some of the best coaches. I think this program needs the guy who can take it to the next level. I think a big name coach is exactly what this program needs.

MeanJoe07

November 4th, 2014 at 9:45 AM ^

I THINK....we need a medium big name with medium to mild amounts of experience and a big amount of upside with a tiny amount of risk with a healthy to medium amount of ......

not TOM BRADY

November 4th, 2014 at 9:52 AM ^

High profile, low profile. It's all a roll of the dice. It's about getting the right guy at the right time. Example les miles seven years ago, good hire Jim Harbaugh when he was coaching San Diego.

blueday

November 4th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

at Michigan created this situation. All options are open for that reason.  The new Prez has no preconceived solutions.  I'm going to vote today and will see what happens down the road.  Until everyone is on the same page and pulling in the same direction, football success as we knew it will never return. 

The new Prez needs solutions to get everyone on the same page.  Difficult to see that ever happening since with every new AD or HC option on the table ... someone complains.  The new Michgain way.  Very sad.

NelzQ

November 4th, 2014 at 11:23 AM ^

Michigan needs leaders that will embrace the truth.

Jim Harbaugh told the truth and there was a faction that condemned him for it.

Michigan football is mediocre at best. Truth.

In order to truly become elite in football, the truth must be welcomed. Ohio State has an AD light years ahead of anything Michigan has known.

Thad Matta and Urban Meyer. Undisputed excellence; elite coaches. 

Michigan did not approach Urban Meyer. Jim Harbaugh. Les Miles.

Excellence was not even on the radar, 'last coaching search.

People fear Jim Harbaugh because he will speak the truth. There is a lot of hubris that needs to be exposed and burned.

Jim Harbaugh will do it.

As well as bring smash mouth, kick Dantonio and Urban Meyer ass football.

Question is, is Michigan ready to take it's head out of the sand and see itself as it really is.

It is high time to embrace the truth.

Warde Manual and Jim Harbaugh.

Please come here and fix this shit.

mdonley

November 4th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^

Dave Brandon ran a pizza place. Not sure how that made him high profile for a athletic director? And to even mention Miles name with Kifin or the other bone head Bielema is laughable. It's like some people don't want to realize that Miles has the best resume in college football for guys not named Saban and Meyer. Michigan fans who think we can do better then him are the whole problem with our program. The guy is a top 3 coach in American and he's one of our own. #SMH

Mr Miggle

November 4th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

He left a job at that pizza place to take an 80% pay cut. A pizza place headquartered in Ann Arbor. Locally he was a very high profile name. Whoever we hire next will be much less well known. Probably only a few diehard fans will even recognize his name. He'll also likely be much better qualified.

AMazinBlue

November 4th, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^

DB wouldn't contact him.  When DB hired Hoke he didn't ever talk to Miles or harbaugh about the job.  Brandon wanted someone that he could control and Hoke was easy.  He was banking on the "Michigan Man" bullshit to carry the day and it worked for a year or so.  Then we all found out that Hoke can't coach.......The more I read, the less faith I have in this going well.  If the AD position will take a year to fill and if Hackett can't get Harbaugh on his own, this program will be Purdue for a olong time to come.  This is the last chance to get Harbaugh, who in my opinion is exactly what this program and conference need.  Harbaugh, Dantonio and Meyer fighting it out every season will help raise the level of the conference and bring it back into the national discussion.  If we get a lowball AD (Ivy League or NW) we'll either keep Hoke or get another version of him.  This program needs a big name and big success fast or that stadium will look like 1968 again.  Hacket, go get Harbaugh now, fill the perm AD later

Mr. Yost

November 4th, 2014 at 5:49 PM ^

 

MY LIST

1. Jeremy Foley --- not coming (no reason, arguably the best in the business)
2. Tom Jurich --- probably not coming (too well respected and loved where he is)
3. Oliver Luck --- probably not coming (too well respected where he is)
4. Greg Byrne --- 75% lock (not a great fit on paper, but an excellent "out of the box" fit if that's what we're looking for)
5. Warde Manuel --- 100% lock

I don't put Manuel on the list because he's the first lock or he's a Michigan guy. I honestly think he's the 5th best candidate and happens to be a Michigan guy. Go get turned down by the top 3 and then decide between Byrne and Manuel. One excellent "Michigan guy" and one excellent "non-Michigan guy." Honestly, bring those two in and pick your favorite.

...for me that's end of list. End of discussion. Drop off after that, but if I had to continue...

6. Dave Heeke --- 100% lock
7. Brad Bates --- 100% lock
8. Ross Bjork --- probably not coming (wrong climate/fit/atmosphere)
9. Jeff Long --- 80% lock
10. Lee Reed --- not a good fit other than personality and academic standards at Georgetown

Miechelle Willis should also be mentioned as she's extremely good at what she does.