stephenrjking

October 31st, 2018 at 6:41 PM ^

Holy cow.

If there were, indeed, a textbook on how to mismanage abuse and personnel misbehavior in big-time athletic departments, it would have needed to be re-written three times in the past year.

I mean, MSU and OSU people are looking at Maryland and saying, "yooooo that's awkward." That's how bad they look. 

At least they fired him, but wow. 

bronxblue

October 31st, 2018 at 6:47 PM ^

The right move months too late.

Also, and I know this isn't representative of the fanbase as a whole, but good lord are the commenters at Testudo Times unhappy at this.  A ton of excuses and blaming of the Twitter Mob and SJWs.  Kid is dead and they are crying foul over fucking Durkin

J.

October 31st, 2018 at 7:53 PM ^

I’m not sure the record is particularly indicative of Durkin’s ability to coach.  He started with nothing, and they spent most of last season on their fourth-string quarterback after Angry Maryland-QB Hating God had his way with them.

That said, if half of the “nontoxic” items from the report are true, he deserved to get fired even if he’d gone 25-0.  There’s more to being a football coach than winning games.  At least, there’s supposed to be.

bronxblue

November 1st, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^

And in no way did the investigation turn out evidence that contradicted the original sense and facts of the situation, namely that Durkin fostered a culture of humiliation and disrespect they put players' health at risk.  And I wouldn't trot out OSU as a fine example of that rush to judgment being wrong.

mjv

November 1st, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^

The investigation confirmed the initial impressions, which is fine.  There is nothing wrong with ensuring that the correct evaluation is reached as opposed to a knee jerk reaction, which may or may not be correct.  

From a high level, the process was well run until the very end.  The coaches in question, including the S&C coach and Durkin are placed on administrative leave.  A thorough investigation is done that doesn't cater to a arbitrary deadline (e.g. OSU).  Findings are reached.

The process ran off the rails in that the responsible parties couldn't come to an agreement behind close doors and have a game plan they were willing to execute.  Loh partially failed in that he didn't stand up for his opinion initially or meet with the various constituencies that helped him change course retroactively prior to announcing Durkin would return.  

If Loh meets with the faculty/deans, student organizations, players, etc. prior to allowing Durkin back, the announcement never gets made and everyone looks like a responsible adult.  

Ultimately, I think Loh stood up for his principles, but the process ended poorly.

vablue

October 31st, 2018 at 10:16 PM ^

Why do you think Durkin deserves to be fired for this?  He was not there when he died, he was not allowed to be there.  He did some strange things, no doubt, but it seems to me like this is a lot of just fire the top guy.  Ultimately, we don’t know why the kid died.  No autopsy has been released.  We know they waited to long, but we don’t know why.  We are taken the ESPN reports as gospel, yet we know from Michigan’s own experience that such things can be exaggerated.  I think it is also worth noting that there was not a mass exodus of players from the program after the death or anything coming from the players of wrong doing from the staff during that workout.  

Maybe, just maybe, it is the rest of us over reacting to a situation we think we know a lot about but actually know very little.

Tacopants

November 1st, 2018 at 12:27 AM ^

Ok, let me break it down for you.

 

Maryland's culture is a reflection on DJ Durkin. His first hire was Rick Court, the S&C coach who believed his job was more extreme than it really ones. It created an atmosphere where Court was allowed to do whatever he wanted unchallenged because the athletes, coaches, and staff believed that they could not go against Court because they would then be going against Durkin.

 

Durkin has tried to cover up not reining Court in by saying he didn't know who Court reported into, if he had authority to regulate him or not. That's 100% bullshit. Rich Court was his first hire. Even if you take Durkin at face value you're left with one of two possibilities:

1. Durkin is so unconnected to the team that he doesn't know the shit that Court is doing - and cannot connect with his players and staff at a level where they would feel comfortable confiding in him

2. Durkin at best didn't care about what Court was doing and at worst 100% agreed with the methods.

 

Durkin did not directly cause Jordan McNair's death, but under his supervision Maryland football became a place where it was possible due to the culture of the coaching and training staff. So again, you're left with either:

 

1. DJ Durkin is an asshole who promoted these activities and a player died as a result.

2. DJ Durkin is incompetent and let Rick Court do whatever he wanted, and a player died as a result.

vablue

November 1st, 2018 at 4:41 AM ^

So, I actually agree with most of what you say.  Except at the very end.  We don’t know that he died as a result.  His death had nothing to do with watching crazy crap while they eat or being shamed about what they were eating.  Nobody has reported the workouts were excessively hard.  In fact we have spent so much time on what a messed up culture Durkin created we have spent zero time on why the kid actually died.  Where was the training staff?  Those are the folks that should have noticed and cared for someone with a 106 degree fever. Were they told to not treat him?  There are reports they knew he had this fever for 90 minutes before moving hi to the hospital, is that true?  Who took the temperature and what did they do afterwards?  Because I can almost guarantee it was not Court that took the temperature.

if the response is, hey Durkin was in charge and that is why he needed to go no matter what happened, I am okay with that.  But if you think it was just the culture of the football program, then you may very likely be missing what actually happened and where the problem actually was.  

Personally I would not want my kid to play for Durkin, but I am not sure he deserves the level of blame for the death he is getting.  I believe most people on this board, and everywhere else, have not actually thought through what they kno about what happened.  You hear a bunch of terrible things that happened with the culture of the program and you assume they are connected, but their may be no connection at all.  Just asking for some critical thinking here.

bronxblue

November 1st, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^

A bunch of players walked out of Durkin's first meeting back, and there were a number of players who have vocalized issues they had with him at all his stops.  So it's disingenuous to act like he wasn't called out by otherss

Also, we do know how the kid died.  He was overworked on the field and then not given proper medical care by the staff when he collapsed.  Feel free to argue something else if you want, but that comes from an independent investigation.

imissbo

November 1st, 2018 at 12:41 AM ^

Before we get too shocked at the Testudo Times commenters, I don't see anyone here asking the obvious question: How did Durkin treat the student-athletes here? Are we saying that Harbaugh had no idea, working closely with him here and at Stanford, about his sociopathic coaching style? It never showed itself; his personality never came through? You know, the same way Durkin didn't know about Court? Like Urban Meyer didn't know about his assistant?

Maybe we can just deny it like Maryland and State and OSU fans. Probably because nobody wants to ask it, and it's not being forced on us, it will just be forgotten - a familiar outcome in college football.

Rasmus

November 1st, 2018 at 4:41 AM ^

Bully coaches like the one Jabrill Peppers described re: Durkin are common in football. I think he is talking about Mattison as DC versus Durkin as DC when he says, “His tactics were different. It felt extreme at times.” He also said he thought Durkin would “calm down a little bit” and “become more of a people person” once he became a head coach.

That isn't very specific, but it does suggest Harbaugh is okay with a mixture of styles and thus a player’s coach like Mattison can be on the same staff with a high-strung bully like Durkin.

Most importantly, I don’t hear Peppers saying that players didn’t feel like they could speak up — that feels very un-Harbaugh to me. That is far and away the most damning charge the Maryland players and their families are bringing against Durkin’s tenure as head coach: the players felt they couldn’t say anything against the trainer’s tactics.

imissbo

November 1st, 2018 at 7:43 PM ^

"I don’t hear Peppers saying that players didn’t feel like they could speak up — that feels very un-Harbaugh to me. That is far and away the most damning charge the Maryland players and their families are bringing against Durkin."

The most damning charges isn't that a player died? And after that, the bullying and abuse that went on for years?

slimj091

October 31st, 2018 at 6:58 PM ^

So the Maryland board of regents threatened to fire the university president if he did not reinstate Durkin. He did so, and then announced his retirement in protest. Then the board of regents fires Durkin. What a complete shit show.

Alton

October 31st, 2018 at 6:59 PM ^

Since this story is just breaking, it's time for some speculation based on absolutely no information.

Mine is that the players tipped the balance here.  They were out of the loop on the power struggle between the President and the Trustees, but once Durkin was reinstated, it probably would have only taken a few team leaders going to the AD and threatening to quit (and threatening to give their reasons to the media) to completely tilt the balance of power.

I don't have any idea if that's what happened, but I kind of hope it is.  

AnthonyThomas

October 31st, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^

One of the stupider parts of this whole debacle is that Maryland have actually played decently without Durkin. They aren't good but they did beat Texas and have blown out some of the bad B1G teams. Based on that alone I don't get why people were so eager to reinstate him. Canada has been fine as an interim coach and he has no ties to McNair's death. 

seksdesk

October 31st, 2018 at 7:04 PM ^

The lack of foresight by high level administrators throughout our country is really quite startling. 

 

Yeah, duh, do you think there might be a backlash?

 

Makes you think these people just refer to a Magic 8-Ball to make their decisions.

 

(The child's toy, not the fine Columbian White.)

Don

October 31st, 2018 at 7:11 PM ^

"The lack of foresight by high level administrators throughout our country is really quite startling."

And in every type of organization at every level—business, government, higher education, professional sports, it doesn't matter—clown shows left and right.

Very well paid clowns.

gruden

October 31st, 2018 at 7:05 PM ^

I wonder if Durkin dumped his conscience in the same hole Urbz did.  One would hope that a coach in that situation would simply resign for a period of soul searching and reflection for what happened.  Instead he was ready to come back as if nothing had happened.  I'm beginning to wonder if selling one's soul is a job requirement to be a P5 FB coach these days. 

Then I read something from Mike Leach and I have a little bit of hope.

GarMoe

November 1st, 2018 at 7:35 AM ^

Coach Gruden makes a surprisingly excellent point here.   If Durkin was indeed a good man at any level, he would have been deeply apologetic publicly. Perhaps even emotional is press conferences, overflowing with grief sorrow and regret admitting that perhaps things could and should have been different is his tenure to ensure safety.   And then as a sincere gesture of remorse for his part not only to the family and the son, but to the school, student athletes and college football generally, he felt it best to resign.  

If you think about it, perhaps after a period of time (years) filled with an active role in helping get to the bottom of it and service to help prevent harm players and repeated public pronounce,ents of what he did wrong and the goal to correct he could actually coach again.

this is no doubt a rose colored glasses view of life but it’s at least humanly POSSIBLE.

short of this, how does Durkin ever return to coaching at any level?