Does Meyer know, guessing, or lying? What he told Dunn
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^
there was the original violation stuff of the players misdeeds and tressel's cover up. following that, there was the car thing, which seems shady but was "resolved" and proved to be legal. there was TP and his mates emptying the supply closet in return for cash, but i don't think there was any real evidence or record of this exchange. various other minor things have come up, the golfing and the envelopes of money from charity events, which was resolved to a degree with suspensions this year.
i think there is a lot of wishful thinking and a lot of smoke, but in the end i think it is just the tat5 stuff, which is still pretty bad, but without JT there anymore...
December 14th, 2011 at 4:57 PM ^
There isn't anything much left to punish that had any solid evidence behind it. As you say, they already lost Tressel.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:17 PM ^
OTOH, remember that Posey got caught...again. This is when the NCAA pushed back the ruling and OSU docked itself some scholarships. I believe the NCAA also told Ohio that they faced failure to monitor charges at that point as well.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:28 PM ^
My understanding, though, is that Posey, et al. weren't overpaid by that much for those jobs. It doesn't seem like enough to cause major sanctions (especially given that those guys were already punished). As you say, though, it did seemingly cause the NCAA to add the extra charge, so who knows? I just know, this late in the day, that I have no reason to think that CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS AT SMU AND BURIED THEIR BODIES NEAR A TRAILER PARK IN FORTH WORTH. There is no reason to think that at all.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:31 PM ^
Posey was given a union job he wasn't qualifed to do (and presumably didn't, since he couldn't) and didn't have a chance in hell of landing on his own.
Or he was overpaid ridiculously, getting a skilled union wage for the job he actually did.
Your choice--either is bad.
On top of that was Posey's mother claiming the university was withholding paperwork that would have implicated them, not the players, in the wrongdoing--she said they'd thrown the players under the bus to save themselves from an FTM (which they're facing anyway as it turns out) or an LOIC.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:42 PM ^
I found this http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/10/08/ncaa-suspends-posey-for-5-games.html , which says part of what you said. I also saw other reports in which Posey was working alongside union workers. I very much doubt that the NCAA would really look very deeply into this, but who knows?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:52 PM ^
Will all this at least help us a little bit in recruiting?
I assume that even OSU is not stupid enough to keep doing all the stuff we all knew they were doing . . . cash, cars, fake work programs, no classes, etc.
If they are forced to tighten up that stuff, won't that make them less attractive to some recruits?
I hold two simultaneous thoughts about OSU:
1) Meyer will be a great coach and will tear it up in recruiting,
2) Even so, it won't be enough to offset the unfair advantage they had been getting under Tressel.
No matter how well Meyer does, our lives will never be harder than they were against OSU under Tressel. The playing field is now more even, and we got us some good players.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
Srsly?
Two words: Repeat Offender.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:22 PM ^
December 14th, 2011 at 4:25 PM ^
I bet that conversation was very similar to the one Kiffin had with Matt Barkley upon his arrival.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:27 PM ^
I'm starting to hate that school more and more everyday. I didn't think that was possible. Way to go, Urban.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:31 PM ^
Their pants are gold so they can hold their golden shit..
T
December 14th, 2011 at 4:32 PM ^
So go out and spread THIS on the interwebs.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:33 PM ^
Urban Meyer lied to five hookers while at Utah.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 PM ^
Yeah right Urbam Meyer, and Grizzly Adams had a beard!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 PM ^
Hopefully Dunn is smart enough to see past those lies...
December 14th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^
He will hear what he wants to hear: that OSU is in the clear and back to being viable.
Let it go.
If you're desperately looking for running backs from Ohio to flaunt, Fitz and Shaw are from Ohio.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^
December 14th, 2011 at 4:59 PM ^
Not sure if you heard, but Jim Tressel was fired. Losing one if the top coaches in CFB is a pretty big consequence.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^
He wants to go to ohio. He has been looking for a reason to do so all along. So he chooses to believe whatever (likely cleverly and ambiguously stated) report he got from Meyer on the sanctions. Let him go. I don't recall a blue chip RB on the '97 National Champions, but I do recall a dominant defense. Get us another CB or DL!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^
Or, honestly stated . Eff-ing NCAA. I would be sympathetic to the "Don't punish the current untatooed players and new coach for the mistakes of others" but for the fact that they have kept the horribly incompetent AD in place with a salary boost to boot.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:50 PM ^
I thought Gee (president) got the raise? Did Smith get one too?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^
We will be just fine without him. Did I want him and hear that he was going to UM? Yes. But that's not reality. I'd love to pick up a DB or another OL. Hoke and Co. know what they are doing. Besides, Fitz ended the regular season very well. I had my questions about him, but those were quickly forgotten. We will be just fine without Dunn
December 14th, 2011 at 4:37 PM ^
Pass the ether. I need a break from everyday struggle.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 PM ^
Whoville-esque here
December 14th, 2011 at 5:10 PM ^
When the announcement of the sactions is finally made......
December 14th, 2011 at 5:16 PM ^
December 14th, 2011 at 4:41 PM ^
Isn't this the same thing Lane Kiffen told Santreal Henderson before he committed to USC?
How did that work out for him?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:50 PM ^
I have zero issue with Dunn. He was an Ohio commit to begin with. We didn't "have" him. We never had him. He was keeping his options open until he found out what was going to happen. UM gave him the answer he wanted to hear, and he re-committed.
That UM knows the outcome is pretty unsettling. Yeah, I know life isn't fair, and all that. But if this is the case - that certain schools have the NCAA in their pocket, that the NCAA doesn't do its best to provide a level playing field, etc and so forth - then it's the NCAA that should be investigated. Or the NCAA needs to present itself to the college world in a more honest way, not as some impartial governing body that preserves sportsmanship and ethics in college sports.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 PM ^
Him urb going forward
December 15th, 2011 at 12:04 AM ^
"UM"? Srsly?
On this board at least, you really need to come up with another identifier for Urban Meyer.
"UM gave him the answer he wanted to hear, and he re-committed." At first I thought you were talking about us. He re-comitted? When did he comitt in the first place? Wait, no, oh . . . i see what you did.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 PM ^
from the "over practicing" violations are almost on par with whatever OSU is going to be hit with - save for the eradication of 2010 from the record books.
How does this program not get MAJOR penalties? They've been lying and cheating for almost 10 years!!!! They should lose scholarships AND get at least a one-year bowl ban!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:56 PM ^
Can Meyer go after Michigan recruits from Ohio? Kali, Joe, and others? it's gonna get ugly if Meyer does that.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:59 PM ^
Kalis turned him down. Bolden already has his classes picked out to enroll early at Michigan. It doesn't look like any of Michigan's commits are going to be poached.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^
Has any coach tried to poach other teams' players after they enrolled? Is that against NCAA rules?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:17 PM ^
You can't recruit guys to try to get them to transfer. USC RB Dillon Baxter alleged that Oregon contacted him and tried to get him to transfer when the SC stuff was blowing up, but nothing ever came of it . It ended up seeming like Baxter just made the allegation up, but Oregon would have violated an NCAA rule had they in fact contacted him at that time.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:18 PM ^
If any of our current recruits ended up being turncoats. I've been wrong before, but I'm not seeing that happening. Especially now if they go on any OSU board and see the names they're getting called - they're not gonna feel any warm and fuzzies to the hairless nuts.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 PM ^
I may be mistaken, but I thought Dunn was going to be an early enrollee. If so, Meyer's claims only need to hold up until Dunn starts classes, right? After that, he's hooked even if it turns out not to be a true statement.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:25 PM ^
He's no longer going to be an EE.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:01 PM ^
the self imposed penalty was pretty pathetic and I would be very surprised if the NCAA goes with it. Even for as small as our penalty was they added on one more year of probation vs. 2 scholarships for about 3 years for Ohio. Heads will roll if they accept OSU's self imposed sanctions.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^
and Gene Smith's background and influence with the compliance dept., there is essentially zero chance for anything other than a limp slap on the wrist for OSU. Meyer knows it, the players know it, the fans know it, and the media know it. To pretend otherwise is just a kabuki dance to give the impression that the NCAA is honestly examining things. If they can't figure out if anything's wrong down at Auburn, they sure as hell aren't going to take any real meaningful steps in Columbus.
Emmert is going to preside over the final end stages of the NCAA, at least with respect to it having any real influence on major college football. It's the wild, wild west, and anything goes.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:31 PM ^
Is it possible that Gee keeps his job precisely because of his relationship with Emmert? Regents and boosters and whoever else pulls the strings must love that.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^
They are good ol' boys. My sense is that very little, if anything, will happen to OSU as a result of tatgate. The powers that be at OSU and Emmert are on very good terms. That is a well known fact. The NCAA allowed OSU to play in the bowl game last year despite the controversy; the NCAA is allowing Meyer to recruit; the NCAA has made it clear that it was "satisfied with Ohio State’s explanation that former coach Jim Tressel told no one on staff about his knowledge of the tattoos and memorabilia scandal that has plagued the program for months."
My sense is that the NCAA will say that Tressel, THE problem, has been dealt with and all is well in Columbus. It's about taking care of your boys and about $$$. I am saddened by the fact that OSU will, most likely, escape unscathed. I sincerely hope that USC will raise hell if, in fact, that happens, even though I don't think it will do a whole lot, in the grand scheme of things.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:15 PM ^
What you can't see in the photo is Gordon Gee underneath the table servicing Emmert. That's why Mark has that nice smile on his puss.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:29 PM ^
Like you, I'd love to see USC do something if OSU gets off with a slap on the wrist. It probably wouldn't change the penalty that OSU receives but could be a major source of embarrassment for the NCAA.
If I'm USC and threatening to go to court, I'd be bringing up the fact that the equipment used to trade for tat's was Athletic Dept. equipment. Where was the accountability and institutional control of that equipment? At USC, we had one player involved - Reggie Bush. At OSU, they had multiple players involved and Athletic Dept. equipment was involved. I'm guessing the last thing the NCAA would want to do is sit in court and have to compare OSU's and USC's cases and detail how and why they made the decisions that they did.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:29 PM ^
...would be just waiting for USC to move in this direction...and, as noted earlier, it's not like the WWL is going away on this whole supreme court/FERPA lawsuit.
December 15th, 2011 at 12:15 AM ^
If I'm OSU, I'd try to be smart about this little scam I have going.
I'd work out a little deal behind closed doors with my good 'ole boys at the NCAA to come up with enough of a "punishment" that makes them look good, keeps USC at bay, and doesn't really hurt me.
3 scholarships for each of 3 years, something like that. NCAA: "Look! We almost doubled their self-imposed sanctions."
December 14th, 2011 at 5:01 PM ^
Didn't Lane Kiffin tell his recruits the same thing?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^
I'd expect Mark Emmert to give OSU more scholarships to ease the pain of the transition.