Did Connor Stallions just go rogue?

Submitted by Preacher Mike on October 25th, 2023 at 10:00 AM

This entire affair has me shaking my head for two big reasons. First in disbelief at how stupid and inept it was, and secondly from disappointment at how reckless and flat out inexcusable it all is. Stipulated that the rule is fairly silly and that the advantage gained is minimal. But that just points to how idiotic it was to do this in the first place. If it is all so dumb and unimportant, why was it important enough to risk getting caught and tarnish the program and the potential championship seasons when this has been happening? What's more, what kind of idiot blatantly schemes and suborns cheating like this and uses his own name and involves so many people that it is bound to come back on you? It's just stupidity on stilts, and not only shows the program to be willing to cheat for no good reason, but that it hires idiots to boot!

With that said, I don't want to give the impression that I think the problem is just that Michigan has gotten caught and looks dumb. The problem is that this was reckless and a blatant violation of the rules. All of the information gleaned by this moronic scheme can be gleaned without cheating. And by most accounts, the cheating offers very little advantage. So that raises the question, if Michigan is willing to take a risk to gain such a pointless edge as this, what are they willing to do for a real advantage? Now, if other questions pop up, it's much harder to just wave them away as baseless or the ravings of jealous opponents. What if rumors about Ben Herbert crop up and people start wondering if the results he gets from three star athletes is really on the up and up? Will you still just immediately give the program the benefit of the doubt? Can you reasonably expect people who aren't fans of Michigan to give credence to any denials?

Now, if it can be shown that this really was just one stupid staffer that went rogue, maybe a lot of the reputational harm can be mitigated, but not entirely. And honestly, this whole operation required some serious money that a low level staffer isn't just funding out of pocket. What's more, if the information he was gaining wasn't being used by the program, why would it go on for multiple years? The answer is that of course the information was being used, and of course Stallions wasn't doing this on his own with his own money. So, I find any argument that claims that people fairly high up the ladder weren't in the know to be naive or disingenuous. Andy Staples today reported that people had been posting on a Tennessee message board last season, well before any of these allegations came out, that family or friends had been given money by Michigan to do this type of scouting, and that they were to make sure that the information couldn't be connected to Harbaugh. We don't have some big rivalry with Tennessee. Why would a rando make that up? I would have dismissed it before all the other evidence came to light. Now I am willing to believe it could be true.

Bottom line, this is a bigger deal than most here are willing to believe. The fact that it probably has very little to do with the wins the program has had over the last few years doesn't lessen that fact, it actually makes the cheating worse because it was so unnecessary. And don't be surprised to discover that people higher on the totem pole than Connor Stallions get in trouble for this.

BoFlex

October 25th, 2023 at 11:08 AM ^

There is a post on Reddit gaining traction that the alleged whistle-blower is actually a former Michigan coach who was fired related to being caught illegally accessing opponents’s practice footage. Strongly hinting former OC Matt Weiss.

could be 10 fakes out 10, but given how this whole scandal has been going, I would not be shocked at anything at this point…

goblu330

October 25th, 2023 at 11:20 AM ^

There is one particular statement that is giving me a lot of pause, and may indicate to me this angle is not far fetched.

On Joel Klatt's show this Monday, he praised Michigan's performance.  But then he said that the brewing scandal could be very serious.  Then he said that he did not want to say too much, but that it possibly went "beyond wins and losses."  I thought to myself, "what is beyond wins and losses," then I thought "uh oh."

This is still on the fringes for me, but I am starting to wonder if the existing NCAA investigation, Harbaugh's self imposed suspension, Matt Weiss, and Connor Stalions are not all related already.  Leaving no doubt, I am not saying this is true, but frankly it would make more sense than it currently does.

JHumich

October 25th, 2023 at 10:02 AM ^

Could we maybe just have a "Colin Stalions Drama Snowflakes, MM/DD" thread every day, where all of this goes? 

I'd like to see other topics, too, when I open the page. 

mGrowOld

October 25th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^

FWIW I just compiled a list of all the threads posted on this in the past 12 hours in the Conner Stallion thread directly below this Conner Stallion thread.

I'm having PTSD from the end of the Hoke era when seemingly everyone simply HAD to post a thread with their completely unique and original thoughts on the matter.  Because if you just shared your completely unique and original thoughts on the matter in one of the other 100 threads already up on the board everyone might not see it.

goblu330

October 25th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^

Mmmmmm.  Very troll-y.

Three things-

1) I am not assuming that anything that I have heard thus far is necessarily true.

2) Even if it is all true, it is still not clear if any rules were broken.

3) By the time they figure it out Michigan will have embarrassed OSU, again, so whatever.

LSA91

October 25th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^

Username checks out.

I tend to agree.

This "scheme" is so dumb that it's hard to believe Stalions even knew he was doing something wrong, but unfortunately, that raises the question of whether Michigan's compliance program is sufficient. 

Based on some corporations I've worked at, I bet a big component is a video where some actor says "Following the NCAA rules is essential to our team values" together with a PDF of those rules and a quiz to make sure the employee can answer ten rules questions correctly.

If they didn't have a specific slide or presentation on in-person scouting, or if Stalions privately concluded that his vast network didn't constitute in person scouting, then was our program sufficient?  I think I would probably say yes, but we'll see what the NCAA says.

Modernmanshustl

October 25th, 2023 at 10:05 AM ^

So this story is a huge deal. And we should be discussing it every day because this is the biggest story in cfb right now.

 

is it overwhelmingly likely that this was a known and funded operation. Yes per Occam’s razor.

 

Was Stallions his vast network incredibly brazen and dumb. Totally.

 

is every other team doing the same thing? Absolutely.

 

lhglrkwg

October 25th, 2023 at 10:33 AM ^

Eh. We don’t know enough to occams razor it like that. You could just as easily look at how he ran his operation (his personal venmo, his personal credit card, and buying tickets in his own name) and say occams razor points to this being essentially Connors operation  if there was a single iota of evidence another staffer was implicated, it would be alllll over twitter right now (still could happen, but all this digging and nothing yet)

As to the money, its really not *that* much money. He could have one booster roped in and that would cover everything easily

AMazinBlue

October 25th, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^

It might very well just be Stalion's operation, but one the coordinators started using the information Stalions gave them, it became a staff and program problem. There is NO DOUBT the OC and DC had the information, Stalions was right next to each of them in multiple photos.  It's a bad look no matter what.

Blinkin

October 25th, 2023 at 10:14 AM ^

Crap like this isn't "news" though.  It's wild speculation.  This post is some dipshit either going through terminal BPONE or a troll trying to stir drama by making shit up out of whole cloth.  It's not even commenting on other people's rumors, it's someone creating their own rumors.