burtcomma

September 14th, 2011 at 3:19 PM ^

Quit worrying about Borges and offense and plays and pay no attention to whatever he says, just watch what we do and when and how as the games come along.  He obviously wants each and every defense we play to have to prepare for both the spread and the I-formation, regardless of what we use when and how and why.

You don't get to be an old and employed offensive coordinator being a fool, there are a lot of unemployed young wise men!

 

cadmus2166

September 14th, 2011 at 3:24 PM ^

His track record speaks for itself, and he has taken average QB's and made them great.  The team is on a bit of a learning curve at this point, and there probably will be a few bumps along the way, but before long the kinks will be worked out.  Besides, I think that asking Borges to run a spread offense just because of Denard will work about as well as GERG's 3-3-5.

big10football

September 14th, 2011 at 3:32 PM ^

Tell me this. For everyone that thinks we should simply design our offense entirely around Denard's ability to run, what happens when Denard gets hurt? Do we have one playbook for Denard and then a back-up playbook for everyone else that the rest of the starters don't get a chance to practice? I think that designing a playbook around a single player is very risky. If he god hurt (God forbid) we would be absolutely screwed since we don't have another Denard on the roster. I don't think its worth it to transform your system to maximize the abilities of one player.

jlvanals

September 14th, 2011 at 4:16 PM ^

I agree, but DG was recruited to run a spread offense and absolutely has the tools to do so.  Not to mention our cadre of 5'7 slot ninjas who go totally unutilized when we put in McLoghan (sp?) at FB and the fact that our o-line is much better at zone blocking.  The 40% of the time we run the non-spread portion of our offense, we basically throw yards away.

big10football

September 14th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

But he's also 6'4" and he doesn't run a 4.3. From most of the commentary I've seen, people want to eliminate the plays where the quarterback might have to throw over a defender and they want to utilize Denard's dilithium to turn safeties into linebackers. I don't think Gardner (or many other quarterbacks) would fit that system very well.

blueloosh

September 14th, 2011 at 3:37 PM ^

The top two RBs last year, LaMichael James and Mikel LeShoure, both ran out of shotgun offenses.  I'm not familiar with all of the offenses on the list, but I bet the same is true for many of the other top RBs.  It's just not true that you can't use the RB effectively from the shotgun.  People are doing it everywhere. And not just on read-option and outside stuff.

thisisme08

September 14th, 2011 at 3:45 PM ^

uhh..so far our coachs have shown the ability to MAKE ADJUSTMENTS of which RR and GERG were very much unable to do.  As much as I think 'Gun is the only way to deploy Denard, I am happy with them starting out a game; sucking at it, adjust @ halftime, #winning.

BigBlue02

September 14th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^

It boggles my mind.  Last year, we came up with every excuse in the book to say our offense wasn't any good and RichRod wasn't that great offensively because it stalled in the first half and we had to come back too often.  Now we are using the exact same mindset to praise the current coaching staff for making adjustments and getting us back into the game.  The only difference between the Wisconsin, Penn State, and Iowa games from last year and this past week's ND game was that our defense was able to stop ND a couple times

jackw8542

September 14th, 2011 at 3:47 PM ^

For the last two years, as the season progressed, the team regressed, admittedly in part due to tougher competition, but, regardless, the team did not seem to get better as the season went along.  It may well be that Borges (and the rest of the coaches) believe that by playing both spread and I-formation in actual games, the team will improve its execution in both formations so that as the season goes along, the team will progress.  That is not to say that the coaches did not care about beating ND, but my guess is that if they knew in advance that we would win only two of the three games against ND, MSU and OSU, they would choose wins against MSU and OSU.

We lost out on practice time when we lost the last 17 or 18 minutes of the WMU game.  We needed those reps on offense.  We didn't get them.  We still have not run all that many offensive plays.  It seems logical, at least to me, that the coaches will try to work out the wrinkles in our running game over the next three Saturdays so that when we face stiffer challenges at Northwestern and MSU they will be in the best position to determine what we are best able to do to win those two important conference games.

bronxblue

September 14th, 2011 at 3:48 PM ^

I could care less what type of offense Borges professes to want to run Sunday through Friday; but on Saturday, I want him to employ the best unit for the talent and situation before him.  I suspect we'll see a bunch of pro-style "MANBALL" runs against EMU, then a return to the 60/40 spread/pro against SDSU.  Borges wants to win, and he wants to win now, so he's not going to push for Denard to change his game just to fit in.

What will be interesting is what Borges does once Denard leaves.  Then he'll have a 5* in Devin and a 5* in Shane, one designed for the 60% offense and the other for the 40%, with less overlap/reliance on a singular player like Denard.  My guess is that he'll try to push Devin more toward the I-form, pro-style offense with designed runs we saw with teams like Va Tech, OSU (with Troy Smith), and Syracuse (with McNabb).  But who knows.  Right now, though, this coaching staff has shown a proclivity toward talking up the blue hairs while still being realistic with the capabilities of the offense.  That's a smart coaching staff, and so I'm fine with how they gussy it up for the papers.

jlvanals

September 14th, 2011 at 4:01 PM ^

I actually think he would be an excellent pro-style QB.  He's got the arm, the height and more escapability than the average dude, although not as much as Denard.  When Denard is gone we're going 100% West Coast baby.  And, I should note, at that point I will have no problem with it because a west coast style will be an optimal use of our personnel.  The problem is that this year running ANY plays out of the I-form not in goalline situations is essentially throwing away yards.

imafreak1

September 14th, 2011 at 4:11 PM ^

Borges explicitly said that he would like to be under center "a little bit more, not a lot but a little bit more."

A little bit more.

Breath deep and try to survive.

OysterMonkey

September 14th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^

"I'd like to be under center a little bit more," Borges said. "Not a lot more, but a little bit more."

From your own goddam link.

Edit: In other words, what that guy right above me just said before I said it.

johngrdn82

September 14th, 2011 at 4:14 PM ^

Coach Borges is right. This staff has to find away to get the running backs more involved in the offense. Coach knows the only way to compete in the Big Ten is to have stability. Without the running backs contributing this staff will end up being a repeat of the last staff, look good against the cupcakes, and sputter against the top dawgs. Denard can’t be the entire offense otherwise we don’t stand a chance in the long run.  

blue in dc

September 14th, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^

I think it's likely that Borges will continue to do alot of tinkering to find a way to develop a consistent non Denard running game and that will result in lots less offense from Denard than is acceptable in Mgoblog land. Even if we're 5-0, there is liikely to be quite an uproar

MileHighWolverine

September 14th, 2011 at 6:02 PM ^

No kidding...Denard is likely to win a Heisman with a spread game.  So, yeah, we're gonna be in an uproar if he is cramped in an I form only offense that is not suited to his skill set.  

I'm hoping for a heavier slant towards spread formations this year (75/25) and less every subsequent year until we get to a mix that fits our offense the best at any given time.

markusr2007

September 14th, 2011 at 5:42 PM ^

to suggest that "the kids are going to get confused" because they run Power I AND spread formations at the same time.

There are tons of examples of teams that do it all.  Norm Chow at USC ran I-formation, split backs with trips, Ace, offset I, and shotgun pro.  Borges did the same at UCLA. The playbook was huge. Those players were on great teams. They were not confused about their identity as "Smashmouth" or "Finesse".  They knew how to do both. They just played and executed and scored a shitload of points.

I don't understand why Michigan fans are so wrapped up and vested in the offensive identity badge that Michigan should "officially wear" because we're Michigan!.  Forget that shit.

Besides Michigan is already doing everything under the sun right now.

All that matters is scoring a ton of points and beating opponents as decisively as possible.  Sometimes that means bringing the hammer with Manbaw 36 belly shit, and other times it means breaking out Denard and running speed option, faking opponents out so badly their faces melt Indiana Jones style. 

markusr2007

September 14th, 2011 at 5:59 PM ^

doing things, I happened to look to the side at what some of our Big Ten brethren are up to.

Don't look now but 3 of the top 4 rushing teams in the Big Ten conference primarily operate out of the shotgun and happend to be scoring more touchdowns than PSU, Iowa, MSU and Ohio State....

Illinois  566 yrds, 8 TDs

Northwestern     547 yrds, 8 TDs

Wisconsin   449,  7 TDs

Nebraska   448, 8 TDs

Michigan is dwindling down in 9th place with 304 rushing yards in 2 games and 4 TDs.

 

 

M-Dog

September 14th, 2011 at 8:36 PM ^

Calm down people.  This is his exact quote:  "I'd like to be under center a little bit more," Borges said. "Not a lot more, but a little bit more."

 

SalvatoreQuattro

September 15th, 2011 at 12:09 AM ^

Navy annually gives teams fits because they are not used to it. WHy not throw it a smidgeon of option under center to throw teams off?  The sight of Denard running with the ball surely will cause some defenders to go Tommy Rees and have eyes only for one man.That should open some lanes for Fritz/Shaw/Hopkins.

 

I never understood why RR did not try this. At least show some different looks in terms of formations. He had an I-form already. Why not use the triple option?

Is it because of the blocking scheme is so radically different  than what UM is currently using?

 

Perhaps the experts on here can shed some light on reasons why UM has not used the triple option.