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Well, damn. BREAKING NEWS(!!!): Brian Kelly is indeed the guy at Notre Dame. Notre Dame fans of the insane variety are hilariously opposed to the move on the grounds that Kelly isn't Bob Stoops, Bill Belichick, or one of the ND Nation moderators; everyone else is terrified that Notre Dame has now acquired a coach with a track record of doing anything at all.

This is probably going to go poorly. Kelly is the most competent coach Notre Dame has hired since Holtz and at the very least should turn Weis's excellent recruiting classes into a genuinely good team in short order. Smart Football says so.

Next year might be meh since his one option at quarterback is going to miss spring practice and large chunks of summer conditioning with an ACL tear, but expecting an implosion similar to the Michigan one is foolhardy: for one he'll have a five-star quarterback throwing to Michael Floyd and plenty of talent on defense if he can get a defensive coordinator to manage it. Something thematically similar to Michigan's 2004 Rose Bowl season might go down. Michigan had to get clutch drives from a freshman quarterback and an onside kick to get to 9-4 that year. A Gator Bowl or something with incredible expectations in 2011 seems the most likely outcome.

This makes the next two years against Notre Dame pivotal for Rich Rodriguez. If Michigan loses to Notre Dame next year against Kelly when he's finally got a quarterback experience edge over someone, anyone, it'll look like a rough year and possibly the end of everything.

There are some minor plusses in the hire: I assume Kelly won't keep Corwin Brown around, which should help Michigan recruit against ND. Also for whatever reason Weis just killed Michigan head-to-head and Kelly can't possibly do better. I've heard conflicting things about what high school coaches in the state think about him, FWIW. I imagine that's something you could say about any coach.

We are so terrible. The basketball… it is not good anymore. I don't really know why, but holy crap:

  • Michigan’s defensive rebounding percentage of 60.7% ranks last among all Division 1 major conference teams.
  • Michigan’s three point percentage of 28.3% is better than only two major conference teams (Oregon St. and UCLA) yet only two major conference teams (Iowa and Northwestern) shoot more threes than Michigan (3FGA/FGA).
  • Michigan is allowing opponents to shoot 52.2% on 2 point field goal attempts, the worst percentage allowed by any major conference program.

Dylan has a few more numbers that look more like Indiana last year than a team with any tourney aspirations. They add up to "ugh."

This season is even worse than what went down in football. Everyone knew this wasn't the #15 team in the country but it shouldn't be a team that will be lucky to make the NIT. (No, seriously. You have to get to .500 and Michigan is going to come out of the nonconference 6-6 unless they beat UConn or Kansas, so then they have to go 9-9 in the Big Ten despite showing no ability to hang with mediocre teams from mid-major-ish conferences.) This is stunning underachievement. And what happens next year when Manny is gone and the only big guys on the roster are Ben Cronin, who may or may not still be broken, Blake McLimans, and Jordan Morgan? Morgan and McLimans are redshirting; Cronin almost literally can't jump.

I know I shouldn't be surprised about anything nasty happening to Michigan sports these days, but seriously… what the hell. There can be no place underachieving expectations across the board like Michigan is these days.

PREWB! Also BREAKING(!!!) is that nine MSU players got tagged with multiple misdemeanor charges based on the video evidence of the frat beat-down. Three more kids ended up suspended, including the other Chris Rucker on the team. Don't recruit guys named Chris Rucker no matter what their middle initial is.

I only mention was seems like a formality because the crack MSU reporters at the Free Press immediately came out with an article arguing that most of the charges would get dropped as various members of the team agree to testify against the ex-members of the team.

Meanwhile, the News gets clarification from Winston's initial victim on what, exactly, happened…

Montgomery, a student at Schoolcraft College, was hanging with friends near the Michigan State campus on Oct. 19, 2008, when Winston approached him and MSU hockey player A.J. Sturges and dropped them both, each with one punch, police said. Montgomery's fractured jaw was wired for six weeks, and Sturges' skull was fractured. …

"I was attacked for no reason. I was not in a fight. I was with a friend, and Glenn Winston came and hit me for no reason at all."

…in a story that has the fantastic lead "Ian Montgomery has an intimate familiarity with Glenn Winston's fist." They also reveal that Jenrette's mysterious redshirt was because of a robbery that happened August 1st of 2008, literally days before Jenrette arrived on Michigan State's campus. Jenrette was already sporting a 2005 offense. Michael Rosenberg's column awaits him.

Again, this is not really about Dantonio, whose public image has taken a hit but will recover in time as long as these things don't keep happening, but the rampant bias at the Free Press that would be funnier every day if it wasn't having a material impact on the local/national perception of Michigan.

Etc.: WVU fans, prompted by bubble pipe professor Matt Zemek's assertion that he'd rather have "integrity and humanity" in the form of Bill Stewart instead of whatever Rodriguez is, debate whether they'd rather have their current coach or our current coach. Opinion is split. CATS 4 GOLD. Sun-Times asserts that Harbaugh actually met with ND officials; tomorrow they announce that Bob Stoops is back in the picture!

Comments

Simi Maquoketa

December 11th, 2009 at 2:51 PM ^

Unless I've misread that? I think Charlie's teams were all of 2-3 against Michigan. And Zook has a better head-to-head with Rodriguez than Charlie. Dolt Edit: You meant recruiting. I see what you did there. Fooled me with the English language and reading comprehension. Slick!

wile_e8

December 11th, 2009 at 2:57 PM ^

A Gator Bowl or something with incredible expectations in 2011 seems the most likely outcome.
Do you think anyone will have learned from the last time around, or are we going to have to re-live the nine month long ND media slurp that was the 2006 offseason?

bryemye

December 11th, 2009 at 3:00 PM ^

FTW. Brilliant. The Freep's existence is sad, but it won't last much longer, right? Right? I wish ill on these people. But not the creator of catsforgold.com. That's just funny.

Irish

December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 PM ^

Sure seems to be a large amount of concern on all these rival boards in regards to Kelly coming to ND, maybe I should be celebrating a little harder

Mannix

December 11th, 2009 at 5:04 PM ^

You should be celebrating, I think. He certainly will do better than the previous staffs. That said, after reading many of the posts dealing with the stories about his departure, I rescind my 'gold' comment as descriptive of him and now simply attribute the 'gold' to the color he will wear.

Blue_Bull_Run

December 11th, 2009 at 3:03 PM ^

Do you think the UCONN and @ND could be the critical point for RichRod? Both games are pretty close to "must win," if you ask me. I don't think fans would be too tolerant about losing at home against UCONN, or at ND, where we will have the QB advantage, as you mentioned. A 2-0 start could be the beginning of RichRod's turn around. Conversely, a losing to ND would probably piss a lot of people off, given that RichRod will be in his third year, and Kelly will be in his second game.

Wolverine96

December 11th, 2009 at 3:39 PM ^

as 2010 is shaping up to be Coach Rodriguez's make or break year. A home win versus UConn is a must and a road win versus Notre Dame is almost as important (though a loss could be negated with wins against MSU & PSU). Then Michigan needs to perform better in the Big Ten. Years like 2008 and 2009 are not going to be tolerated by boosters and the adminstration. The pressure is on.

MayzNBlu

December 11th, 2009 at 3:13 PM ^

Here's this from an article on ESPN: '"When I refer to the challenge, it's strictly getting to that high bar that's been set at Notre Dame," he said. "We've got challenges, but we'll go to work on those right away." Asked how long that would take, Kelly demurred. "We don't get a five-year plan. This is a five-minute plan," he said. "We expect our football players to play at a high level immediately. Timetables, we don't want to get into those -- those are a setup."' Does anyone else read into this as a reference to something other than ND? Or is it just my overworked and paranoid imagination when it comes to Michigan sports?

Blue_Bull_Run

December 11th, 2009 at 3:18 PM ^

What else would it mean? I think you're reading too much into it. But damn, ND fans ought to be exicited. I wonder if Kelly becomes the measuring bar for RichRod? RichRod has a two year head start on Kelly - if Kelly gets ND cranking in 2010, how much more time will RichRod get?

los barcos

December 11th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^

i definitely think kelly will be a measuring bar for rr. if kelly's transition is much smoother than the transition with rr, and if it looks like rr is still sputtering in year 3, its going to be very hard to keep him, ime. the poor guy has a lot going against him. the meteoric rise of jim harbaugh wont help either if rr has another sub-optimal season.

Birdman

December 11th, 2009 at 3:24 PM ^

Kelly has an excellent talent for offense not unlike RichRod, maybe only more NFL friendly. He has also proven to have a good eye for recruiting talent. Both coaches were the hot picks at the time, and I think both will be very successful. I think what will really prove which hire is better is who becomes the better coaching talent evaluator. This is were RichRod concerns me, and where Kelly is unproven. Great programs have a head coach that replaces players and coaches with great success.

bronxblue

December 11th, 2009 at 3:29 PM ^

I expect Kelly to get ND to a bowl game next year, but beyond that I think he'll struggle trying to implement his system with the players on the team. Sure, Michael Floyd will help somewhat, but a first-year QB is a first-year QB, and that OL is going to be in transition. As for the defense, it was statistically worse than UM's this year, so I'm not expecting the Blackshirts out there. And as Smart Football noted, unless Kelly nabs a crack DC, expect the team to struggle defensively no matter how many points they put up. Kelly's defenses were never gangbusters, and I'm not sure who is available to step into that role. I actually pity RR right now - he is constantly judged against strawmen and how "other" programs run their ships, even when the situations are completely different. I fully expect this team to be better next year, but I don't care if ND goes 12-0 as long as UM continues to improve.

Blue_Bull_Run

December 11th, 2009 at 3:40 PM ^

I think that a very fair standard is judging RichRod from here on out against Brian Kelly. RichRod has quite a head start on Kelly - three years to implement his system, two and a half years of recruiting, a returning QB, and continuity on defense. Kelly has none of that. But let's call it even. If Kelly can get ND winning more games from here on out than RichRod can win at UM, then it's quite likely that we need to do some soul searching. (Unless Kelly starts going 12-0 regularly, and RichRod's 11-1 with his only loss is to ND...though that's an unlikely scenario)

bronxblue

December 11th, 2009 at 5:11 PM ^

The one difference of note between the two programs is that unless there is major attrition, Kelly should have a more talented "team" starting out than RR. As has been shown by numerous posters here, the last few Carr years left the talent level precariously low, especially on defense. Say what you will about Weis as a coach, but the guy could recruit. Kelly has shown an ability to recruit kids as well - though his jumping around has made it difficult to see a full class come through - but those ND rosters are filled with highly-regarded recruits. Sure, some of them won't pan out, but RR's depth chart, even with attrition, featured walk-ons at key positions. I agree that the two men will be tied for the foreseeable future, but I don't believe that should be the case. Let ND worry about ND and let UM worry about UM. Those teams dominated for decades together, and there is no reason to believe they won't again. I do believe that RR is a good fit for UM, as is Kelly for ND.

Steve in PA

December 11th, 2009 at 8:12 PM ^

B10 football is a shell of its former self. Suppose these two coaches are tied together for many years to come. What if it turns into another rivalry like Bo and that other guy, the one from the reform school that wears red and grey uni's. It's the same one with the Qb that kills. This could be outstanding for both schools and the conference to build that kind of interest again, especially if we keep interest and start winning against that reform school team.

brianshall

December 11th, 2009 at 3:34 PM ^

Brian, since you continue to gently tell your readers what I've bluntly told them -- we lose to ND, we lose to 'lesser' teams, we don't get 8 wins next year and Rodriguez is done -- how's about restoring my unfairly negbombed account to, say, 0? We cool. Now, re Kelly. He's basically vastly exceeded all others in whatever pond he's playing in; be it at Div III, MAC, or Cincinnati -- which is now the best team in the state of Ohio, even with Tressel at tOSU. I expect him to get ND into the top 20 next year and the top 10 consistently after that. If he can't, it can't be done at Notre Dame anymore.

InterM

December 12th, 2009 at 7:42 AM ^

Think what an injustice it would be if Brian were to take away all your (negative) MGoPoints! Others (KoB, Tom H) have gone down in a blaze of offensiveness or rage, but not you, no sir. You keep bringing it, post after post -- the incessant and arbitrary pronouncements about Michigan's record next year and Rodriguez's fate, the declarations about what true "Michigan men" believe, etc. -- and never bogged down with any actual insight or knowledge. That's rare, my friend, and you should relish your special and well-earned place in MGoPointdom -- a slow and steady decline toward the bottom, while never quite reaching (negative) Hall of Fame status. Say it loud, say it proud -- I am brianshall!!

Erik_in_Dayton

December 11th, 2009 at 4:34 PM ^

Every situation is unique. In 2010 Kelly will certainly have more offensive fire-power that fits his scheme than Coach Rod did in 2008. What matters next year is that Michigan have a good season, not that Rodriguez come out ahead in a flawed comparison of coaching careers. I also think Michigan could have a "good season" that included a loss to ND...Anyway, Kelly hasn't coached a single game at ND. Everything right now is just hype and speculation.

Blue_Bull_Run

December 11th, 2009 at 5:10 PM ^

That 8-4 season would obviously buy RichRod another year. I think it would take a pretty disasterous 2010 to get him the hook. Another bowlless season though, and I think it's time to start putting out some feelers as to who else may be available. By the way, we really need to beat OSU again, sometime. The thing that scares me most is that RichRod tops out as an 8-9 win/year coach. Not enough to justify termination, but not enough to satsisfy the fans, either. The way I see it, we're going through this painful rebuilding process because we expect RichRod to turn us "elite." I think we could have found an 8-9 win coach without going through all this rebuilding...

Erik_in_Dayton

December 11th, 2009 at 5:30 PM ^

I'm only one fan, but FWIW, I still believe that Coach Rod will get the team to an elite level...We are in the unenviable position right now of watching while other teams get ready for bowls or hire exciting coaches. It's easy to get down, but none of that has anything to do w/ what kind of season Michigan will have next year.

champswest

December 11th, 2009 at 10:59 PM ^

We have to get to 8 or 9 wins first and I don't see that happening next yeat. I am not a RR basher, in fact I like him and I think that he should get 4 years regardless of how many games he wins next year. He just doesn't have the talent/experience on the roster yet.

Blue_Bull_Run

December 12th, 2009 at 11:02 AM ^

I agree that he'll most likely get his 4th year, but at that time, expectations will rightfully be high. Motor City Bowl in 2011 would probably make the new AD wonder what his alternatives are. As far as mitigating circumstances, I understand that RichRod has an inexperienced team, but I think the "lack of talent" argument is starting to get old. Look, we signed 24 recruits during the transition year, and 22 and (probably 28) in the following two years. In other words, RichRod himself is mostly responsible for the talent that this roster has. It's inexperience talent, as we agree, but this team ought to *seriously* improve in the next two season. Otherwise, I'd say a change is warranted.

Blue_Bull_Run

December 12th, 2009 at 5:50 PM ^

We can go back on forth on that one. Some were Carr recruits, some were RichRod recruits, and some were both. But the bigger point: there were 17 four-star recruits in that class (compared to four this year). (Yes yes, stars don't mean everything, I know) So we got two classes that were "pure RichRod," and another that was a combination, yet clearly had a lot of talent. There's definitely talent on the roster, and then there's still Denard, who's mostly tied to the bench. My point is that this roster has enough talent on it to be very competitive. I admit that the roster is still very young, so we need to keep that in mind. But I'm becoming skeptical of the "lack of talent" argument, to me its starting to sound like a lame excuse.

Steve in PA

December 11th, 2009 at 8:05 PM ^

It's not a gimmee for them. They have a young new Qb and as we know young Qb's, no matter how talented, are still young. I'll even still put ND in the win column since they are starting a young one coming off an injury so he won't have practice time. I see 9-3 and I'm sticking to it until the current state of Michigan sports sucks the last drop of optimism from my body.

buddha

December 11th, 2009 at 4:45 PM ^

In other coaching news, Jim Harbaugh was reportedly offered $2.8 million to coach KU. Supposedly, it's a done deal... PS...I can't make new threads; so, I apologize if I should not have posted this information here.