Who is the starting RB on this team?

Submitted by Dreisbach1817 on

In my mind is the most important spring battle, but also the least talked about.  Last year the RBs were below average.  Michigan's offense got a lot of credit but we never developed a solid run-game from the TBs to complement Denard's runs.  I think it really hurt our spread sometimes when defenses could focus in on Denard.

It seems like Shaw and Hopkins fit the best in this new system, along with maybe Fitzgerald if he can stay healthy.  I really don't see Vincent Smith getting a bulk of carries in this offense.  Nor do I see a freshman coming in to make an immediate impact.  Hayes and possibly Rawls will be very very good down the road, but I am not sure if they can play right away.  I could be wrong, of course.  SDSU had a big time frosh RB, but it's a different league here.

This should be a very interesting position battle, esepcially with the conversion from the spread to the Gulf Coast.  And remember that SDSU's offense really opened up this year with the addition of that Freshman RB.

If it's Shaw, Hopkins, and Fitzgerald, who gets the edge?  Is it more by committee or does someone seize that job?

EDIT: Consensus is ..... it is WIDE open.

mblood7

January 20th, 2011 at 7:34 PM ^

I'd say Shaw and Fitz split the bulk of the carries and Hopkins gets some short yardage and goaline carries, Fitz was the RB I was most excited to see last year and I really think he can be special if he stays healthy. I think V. Smith doesn't fit the system and Cox i just don't know cause RR apparently wasn't a fan so I didn't get to see him play.

BleedingBlue

January 20th, 2011 at 7:35 PM ^

Remember we're actually going to be huddling and running in situational substitutes.  

1st and second down back:

1. Shaw

2. Fitz

Goal line and Short Yardage:

Hopkins (fumbles too much to be featured back)

3rd down back = Smith

Magnus

January 20th, 2011 at 7:35 PM ^

I think many of you guys are overrating Hopkins.  It's not that I think he's bad, but several guys have a more well rounded set of skills.  In addition, Hoke/Borges haven't always been huge proponents of big backs (see last year's 175-180 pounders in SDSU's backfield), and their commitment to Denard implies that they'll still spread the field a little bit.

If Toussaint stays healthy, I think it's a good race between him, Shaw, and Cox to be the feature back.

QVIST

January 20th, 2011 at 7:36 PM ^

I don't mean to discount Mike Cox because he's got all the physical tools, but I'm sure Rich Rodriguez would have used him if he believed he was the best back. I recall watching an interview of Roy Roundtree to which he said (paraphrased), "Man, Mike Cox...I don't know what goes on in his brain. He's got rocks in his head." I'm not saying that's true, but combining that with the fact that Rich Rodriguez has thrown his headset in disgust when watching Mike Cox ruin perfectly good plays by improvising...I just don't know.

I hope this is not true though and that he pans out because apparently he's Ladainian Tomlinson with the power of Ron Dayne...except with speed.

Magnus

January 20th, 2011 at 7:42 PM ^

Rich Rodriguez also played Sam McGuffie (4.1 yards a carry) ahead of Brandon Minor (5.2 yards a carry) and Vincent Smith (4.6 yards a carry) over Michael Shaw (5.4).

Rodriguez ignored production and played his favorites while he was here.  Hopefully, Michigan's new coaches deploy their personnel more effectively.

joeyb

January 20th, 2011 at 8:36 PM ^

While I agree with you that RR did not use the best backs, in 2008, whenever Minor came in, he fumbled. It wasn't until he got healthy that he got away from his 20% fumble rate. RR would allow Minor to stay in until he fumbled. Once he stopped fumbling, he got to stay in.

Magnus

January 20th, 2011 at 8:44 PM ^

I don't want to completely rehash those old arguments from 2008, but...

...while Minor fumbled a lot, he was also scoring touchdowns at a ridiculous rate.  It was a high risk, high reward situation with him.

When Smith fumbled a lot...Smith kept getting a majority of the carries.

myantoniobass …

January 20th, 2011 at 10:34 PM ^

No, Magnus is right.  It was a nagging wrist injury that was supposedly to blame on a September fumble.  But go back and watch Minor's leaping TD run in September at home.

It's clear it was a minor nagging injury for Minor.  

RR started McGuffie over Minor, and Sheridan over Threet that September.  Deal with it.  

TXmaizeNblue

January 20th, 2011 at 7:37 PM ^

if he doesn't become a B. Minor (health wise).  I'll just be glad to never again see the V. Smith 1st down 1-2 yard run!  The one part of RR's offense I hated.

maizeandblue21

January 20th, 2011 at 7:52 PM ^

as long as it isn't vincent smith all be all set. i almost broke my TV watching him last year, i know he has the speed to be a good back but he doesn't have the explosiveness and can't run through holes very well. i think it should be toussaint and shaw based on the glimmers of hope i saw in the very little time toussaint wasn't injured. i liked shaw when they ran him up the middle in between blockers but i couldn't stand it when RR had him do runs along the outside because he doesn't have the speed to get around the edge.

QVIST

January 20th, 2011 at 7:56 PM ^

I actually just watched this Mike Cox highlight video, and although there were no games against real competition, the dude can break tackles. He's definitely a Carr-era back:

joeyb

January 20th, 2011 at 8:42 PM ^

One of those runs, he got hit, his feet went into the air above his head, he somehow landed on his feet and continued to run. That was the run that sold me on him.

Magnus

January 20th, 2011 at 8:25 PM ^

We exist on a blog that judges players on their performances against high school opponents, kids who won't be good enough to make the local community college's flag football team.

Outrunning a college athlete is outrunning a college athlete.

Breaking a tackle is breaking a tackle.

I admit that Ohio State's players are going to run faster and tackle better than Delaware State, but how much faster and better?  If his 8.89 yards a carry drops to 5.89 yards a carry, isn't that still pretty good?  What about 4.89? 

I'm not convinced that playing every opponent on the schedule would make Cox's 8.89 yard average drop below, say, Smith's 4.6.

Magnus

January 21st, 2011 at 9:22 AM ^

What I said about Delaware State/Vincent Smith was that he didn't do anything exceptional against anyone but Delaware State.  IIRC, removing Delaware State from the mix last year left Vincent Smith with approximately a 3.5 yard average and 0 touchdowns (I'm not looking at the stats, so I could be slightly off).

highestman

January 20th, 2011 at 7:59 PM ^

One of my biggest frustrations with RR was his incistence to always start vinny smith.  I lways felt smith was a good 3rd down change of pace back, after the knee injury theres no way he was an every down guy.  I thought Shaw always played well but could never get into a rhythm because RR would take him out. He's got the most experience in the backfield and I think he could really break out if given the oppertunity to be the main guy.

I liked what I saw in Hopkins but he needs to develope a little.  I also think people are giving a lot of credit to Fitz, who has not been healthy long enough to show that he can be a main guy at this level.

Although Cox is a real dark horse pick, ill be interested in what he does come spring practice.

oHOWiHATEohioSTATE

January 20th, 2011 at 8:00 PM ^

My best guess. Hopkins gets the bulk of of the carries to start the year. By mid season I think Fitz starts to take over. Think Touchdown Tims jr type year for Fitz. (I'm not predicting 313 vs osu but one can hope)

UofM77

January 20th, 2011 at 8:03 PM ^

to see how this plays out too they are all good in their own skill set. Id say the battle for starting position will be intense. I think Smiths lack of success had alot to do with the play calling hes a stout runner I seen him upend MM in practice or spring game cant remember which but the boys got some moves. How many times did RR send him on a suicide mission straight up the middle same play over and over...

WolvinLA2

January 20th, 2011 at 8:05 PM ^

Fitz all the way.  Shaw being the back-up who still gets a lot of carries.  Hopkins will be a short yardage back.

It will be interesting to see what another year of S&C does for Hopkins.  He was a big kid as a frosh.  If he can stay the same size and add speed or put on weight and keep his speed, he could see his number called a lot.  You just don't waste a fast 230 pounder or a pretty fast 240 pounder at RB.