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All in favor of having him actually grow those sideburns say aye. That's everyone.

Yay yay yay OMG… for now. Brady Hoke told the radio Denard Robinson would not transfer. So he'll go through spring at least. Also, Tate Forcier is going to try to stick it out:

"Tate wants to stay (at U-M)," Mike Forcier told TheWolverine. "I didn't come with a moving van. Our intent is to do whatever is necessary for him to rejoin the team and become a student-athlete again. We haven't talked to any other schools and we won't until we've exhausted every resource here. But Tate wants to stay and we want him to stay."

This is the greatest hire in the history of college football. This reminds me of when Vince Lombardi hired Jimmy Johnson, except faster:

Fred Jackson will return for his 20th season at Michigan and will coach running backs under Hoke, a source said Thursday night.

This is flantabulous. It reminds me of when you take some sugar and some eggs and some caramel and combine them in a delicious combination that's like custard except faster. It's Hokediculous. It's like that except faster. This is amazing. This coach is like the Heisman in a body, except it's like the Heisman in a body in one of those movies with a virus—he infects everyone with the Heisman. Word. Flan. Flan is the word, except faster.

But seriously folks. The inability of nuclear war to eradicate Fred Jackson probably pushes that Heckulinsiksinaski guy to WR coach and kills the idea that Eric "Obvious Nickname" Campbell would depart from the hard-partying Iowa WRs. Either that or it kills the idea that Scot Loeffler would enter at QB coach. Not like any of this matters, anyway. If you're not an OL or QB coach offensive assistants don't really matter.

Defensive coordinator search now even more bleedingly obvious. Jon Hoke, brother of Brady Hoke and a key aspect of Michigan's strategy to make their coaching staff literally as much of a family as possible, says he hasn't talked to Brady about the Michigan DC job and is "unlikely" to end up in Ann Arbor. That's fine by me since he's spent the last decade as a position coach in the NFL and would be something of a wildcard if he returned to college.

So. Michigan has a lot of money left over since they're paying Hoke twenty dollars and some donuts and is competing with San Diego State for the bulk of its staff. There is a guy out there with crazy recent college credentials that also comes with a reputation as a fierce recruiter. He runs the Big Ten default defense, a basic 4-3 cover two. He turned Miami—Miami!—into an APR-obliterating, arrest-avoiding team. That's Randy Shannon, kids, and we know two things:

  1. If David Brandon was serious about getting assistant pay up into the area of Michigan's peer group he's the guy who Michigan should be going after with an oversized novelty check.
  2. The chance Randy Shannon comes to Michigan is extraordinarily slim.

File on the ominous side of the ledger. So… uh… you know how Brady Hoke is a tough defensive-minded coach whose teams will run the ball and stop the run, boy won't they? Um… so… the thing is.

In eight seasons as a head coach Hoke oversaw one defense—this year's—that ranked above 84th nationally. Even during the miracle year at Ball State his team was sixth in the MAC. In fact, if you click that link and squint your eyes you might think the table of Hoke's defenses is the table of Greg Robinson's defenses. So… yeah. Um. Not to be a downer or anything. Also please don't bring up that the Graham/Malzahn combo obliterated Hoke's best team 45-13 and now Graham is at Pitt and has hired a couple Rodriguez assistants and I just feel kind of ominous about this whole section.

File on the happy side of the ledger. After nuking Navy the Aztecs rose to #12 nationally in the offensive FEI rankings. Michigan is still #2 even after the grim output against Mississippi State.

NOT ME. Probably. Look, so I might have had a bit to drink the past couple days but I can state with at least 60% confidence that this was not me:

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I can recite pi to 54 digits, bitch. I'm Rick James.

The Process, conference edition. After consideration the Big Ten has declared that Legends and Leaders are awesome division names, thank you very much. This is emblematic of why the conference imploded on NYD: it is a league of ninnies. This space is going to stick to calling the divisions East and West even though North and South make more sense so Michigan can be Champions of the West.

Not so good. Tristin Llewellyn and Jacob Fallon are gone for the year for "violating team expectations." That ends Llewellyn's Michigan career; Fallon has an opportunity to return next year.

As far as impact goes, Fallon was only playing about half the time anyway and didn't stand out when he did. Llewellyn's loss will be more prominent. While it's impossible for anyone to replace his penalty acquisition skills with quite so much gusto, alternatives on the back line are Moffie and Clare. Moffie's been pretty bad this year—a turnover machine—and Clare has been on the back burner most of the season as Michigan tries to juggle eight defensemen. He'll probably benefit from the increased availability of playing time more than Moffie.

Etc.: Pat Fitzgerald's agent would like you to know that Michigan was probably going to offer Fitzgerald three million a year as part of their sham effort to make it look like other people were being considered. Brady Hoke buyout blah blah.

Comments

tubauberalles

January 14th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^

Brian was referring to Hoke's history of "stopping the run" and as mentioned below, the stats are for rushing defense.  Other than the current year, his next best ranking was... 84th.  Also, this past year the team was 57th against the rush, not 35th.  But I can see why you might have thought about total defense, as it wasn't really clear until you look at the chart in the link.

Lastly, I'm happy you're so over the moon, if a bit put off with the aggressive nature of your posts.  For myself, I'm hopeful, though not yet happy.

Blue in Seattle

January 14th, 2011 at 2:47 PM ^

Brian is hung up on one statement Hoke made referring to the run option zone blocking as "basketball on grass".  So showing the run defense wasn't that good is just focusing on skewering that one remark.

But as far as how other coaches perceive Brady Hoke, winning an award of "best coach of Conference X" means someone likes the job you are doing.

For me I'll know how close we are to Lloyd ball during the Spring Game.  Since going to the Spring Game is the only thing I can control, I'm setting my goals on that, and not on "Brandon sucks for not hiring the guy I wanted"

And Brandon will fade from the limelight as soon as Hoke can step forward into it.  Rodriguez unfortunately lost all his PR value losing to the Spartans this year.

M-Dog

January 14th, 2011 at 3:06 PM ^

Championships quote.

Yeah, yeah, I get the point that the road to the MNC goes through the B10 championship, but if I'm a top 18 year old recruit who did not grow up watching Bo and Woody, it sounds kind of stuck in a time warp.  As a top 18 year old recruit, I want to win the MNC.  And I want my coach too as well.

GBOD79

January 14th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^

"Brian, I know you don't like the hire, but why keep raining on the parade of those who are happy (for the first time in a long time) about our future prospects?"

 

Or you could just accept that this is Brian's blog and that he is not happy with the hire and not comment on every single thing he posts. This is a two way street my friend.

GBOD79

January 14th, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^

It definitely is a two way street. You have made your views known, Brian has made his. Its his blog, he will continue to post what he wants. You dont have to comment on everything he writes just for the sake of argument. Thats not doing anything. I respect your opinion as well as Brians, but the arguing is getting tiresome.

Maybe its time that we all just accept others opinions (and title if you will), and just stop bitching about one another. At the end of the day you, Brian, me, all of us on this blog are Michigan fans and want us to win. Lets just concentrate on that.

OregonWolverine

January 14th, 2011 at 12:56 PM ^

Seriously, if you want to be happy, go read all the emo pieces on Detnews and Freep right now. This is the place you come to if you want arguments based on fact and logic.

Yes, as I noted in a previous comment, Brian apparently mistook rushing defense rankings for overall rankings. But doesn't it give you pause that Mr. Tough Guy defensive-minded former Bo player national championship DL coach has managed to produce exactly one defense that was even average at stopping the run?

I liked BH's presser, too, and I'm rooting for the guy and the team. But I'm not buying into head-in-the-sand optimism. It's clear that Hoke, like his predecessor, badly needs a top-flight DC to run the defense for him.

dahblue

January 14th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^

I know Hoke can't walk on water like former coaches here with awesome defenses, but I see reasons to be very excited about the hire.  So far, all of the doom and gloom about a RR firing has not come true (i.e. massive attrition including Denard).  I'll judge Hoke (as with RR) by performance on the field, but for now, things look to be on more solid footing than for some time.   

JBE

January 14th, 2011 at 3:08 PM ^

Do you have a time machine?  Are you clairvoyant?  No.  Then don't make statements such as these.  Nothing from the past, and this goes for more than football, can be definitively equated to the present or future.  This is often the mistake made when fighting a war based on information from a previous war, or predicting the tenure of a coach based upon the tenure of another, vastly different (despite what anyone on this here blog says), previous coach.  There are always a different set of conditions, no matter how similar they may seem, and basing your decision off what seems to be similarity, but actually is not, tends to lead to huge mistakes.  Hoke and Carr are different.  Hoke does many things different from Lloyd, and some things the same, which is not necessarily a negative thing.   

JBE

January 14th, 2011 at 2:55 PM ^

No. This is not fact and logic. Brian has been choosing only the quotes and stats that reinforce his "man ball" theory or discount Hoke as mediocre (hence the defensive stat today), when the fact of the matter is that the SDSU offense is more versatile and complicated than the "spred n shred."  Brian is just in love with the idea of the spread, but if he were to watch tapes of the new offense, he'd probably get excited.  But he went a closed minded passive aggressive route instead. To each his own.

As far as defense is concerned, I won't even go there.  We already know pretty much anything would be better than what we've had, and I believe Hoke will be far better than pretty much anything.

OregonWolverine

January 14th, 2011 at 3:25 PM ^

What I said is that this is the place to go if you want arguments based on facts and logic. It doesn't mean that people will agree on the arguments, or which are the relevant facts, or how valid the extrapolations are, just that this community, in general, tends to reject arguments based more on emotion, or words from authority figures, than fact.

And for the record, if the numbers in that chart are not facts, what are they? If the conclusion drawn from those numbers is that Hoke-led teams have had trouble stopping the run is not a logical conclusion, what is it?

And I'd further note that your assertion that Brian has chosen only data which make Hoke look bad is a subjective assertion, and factually untrue, which a cursory examination of the last 3 days of his posts will easily demonstrate.

JBE

January 14th, 2011 at 3:57 PM ^

And I'd further note that your assertion that Brian has chosen only data which make Hoke look bad is a subjective assertion, and factually untrue, which a cursory examination of the last 3 days of his posts will easily demonstrate.

 

This statement is incorrect.  Brian has carefully constructed his quotes and data by or about Hoke that refer to either "manball" or mediocrity to paint a certain picture, while ignoring many that state otherwise.  This place is turning into the Texas textbook committee.  Only let them see what they want to see.  I wouldn't care, it's his blog after all, but after the supposed propaganda machine that brought down RR, it would seem subjectivity, or at least some level of fairness, is important.  We don't want another "coach that never had a chance" meme.  But Brian does make it clear that this will not be the case, and that in fact the media is knobbing Hoke every chance they get, so he takes it upon himself to not drink the supposed koolaid, to be the contrarian, the voice of reason, even though reason has no part in his argument.  

OregonWolverine

January 14th, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^

What constitutes "some level of fairness" for you, but I'm sure we'll never agree anyway. I've been coming here daily for the last 5 years for the unique combination of entertaining writing, critical analysis, and pure fandom - and I just don't think any of those factors are substantively different now than a week ago.

I'd suggest it's time for everyone to head over to EDSBS, and read the Digital Viking, and Spencer's recap of the title game experience. Those, we can all agree, are subjectively and objectively awesome, and if you disagree with me, you are totally and completely wrong, end of story.

LatinForLiar

January 14th, 2011 at 1:49 PM ^

Look, those of us disappointed and skeptical about the Hoke hire will remain so until some games are played. No one should delude themselves that a good press-conference or newspaper interview makes a good coach. I still say we made the equivalent of the Bill Stewart hire - someone the players love and who is committed to the school, but who just doesn't have the chops to be a BCS contender. Here's hoping our three star can turn into an all-american.

blueheron

January 14th, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^

He said you've met your quota for the week.

Resume random WWW browsing.

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Sean Ornery: Member for ... 1 week 3 days
 
So, that gives us a start date of approximately: 1/4/2011
 
T - what?  :)

King Douche Ornery

January 14th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^

Being a meber of a blog for a longer time makes me....what? Almost as cool as you?

I didn't know this was the only place in the whole wide world to get my Michigan news. Or that if Brian didn't say it, it wasn't accurate or true.

ciszew

January 14th, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^

…regarding BH that Brian mentioned is that the is a Gary Patterson type coach, but if you look at his teams he has won with offense.  I think it is the biggest hole in the argument of Hoke=Carr.  BH is not adverse to open it up.

One thing that really scares me about Brady’s past is that Brian Kelly owns him.  We will see if the balance changes on a bigger stage, but Brady really struggled to keep Kelly’s offense out of the endzone at Ball State.  The Cardinals scored some too in the those games, but not enough to win. 

I do think though if given time Hoke will  consistently do well in conference.  JMHO. we will see.   

nybluefan

January 14th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^

Okay...so I just got a call from a softball team member thanking me for my support of the UM Athletic Department (I give a little $ as a Victors Club member).  She was very nice and sincere, by the way.

This is three days after I wrote Brandon an email telling him how disappointed I was in the Hoke hire -- in the email I mentioned I was an alum, a Victors Club member and a season ticketholder.  I got a response to the email which basically said "time will tell."

Its a coincidence that I got a call today, right?  Or does Dave have the marketing / PR thing cooridinated?

Section 1

January 14th, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^

I got my call from Colton Christian yesterday.  And I didn't do any complaining.  At least not under my real name.  Colton; thanks for the call!  Good job.  Check going out next week.

cp4three2

January 14th, 2011 at 1:19 PM ^

How much of Ball State's getting blown out by Malzahn and Graham have to do with Ball State completely overachieving that year and not having the talent that Tulsa had?  

 

Also, isn't having a coach that found ways to win despite deficiencies kind of what we wanted?

markusr2007

January 14th, 2011 at 1:44 PM ^

I agree with the earlier post made. If the athletics doesn't work out for him, damn, Michigan provides fantastic under-graduate and graduate programs.  He and his family are aware of this.

Over the last several years - with Michigan's swiss-cheese-like depth chart in football and as always great academic programs, I'm still shocked that higher ranked recruits haven't bee-lined it to Ann Arbor in greater numbers. (That statement is not meant to disrespect any of the 2-, 3-, 4-star and walkons that have come to UM recently and been all-in!).

Football is a rough sport and injuries can end things pretty quick.  But  the value of a UM degree -that should really be the seal on the deal everytime.

BRCE

January 14th, 2011 at 1:49 PM ^

Brian is right -- the odds of Shannon coming are so slim I don't know why he even brings it up.

Even though he's currently unemployed, I'm sure there are programs who could still hire him this year. If he's going to coach in 2011, he probably would like a place he could put up good defensive numbers and become a head coach somewhere in 2012. In other words, it wouldn't be wise for him to go to a place with a Jordan Kovacs-Ray Vinopal safety combo.

3rdGenerationBlue

January 17th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^

Did you speak directly to the agent, or get his statement from a concrete source? Can we get the agent's name? No matter what the "probably" part of his comment doesn't sound like anything was put in writing. C'mon Brian you can do better.