ESPN Update on Patterson Appeal

Submitted by DrMantisToboggan on

This article suggests that Michigan was allowed to submit supplementary material after Ole Miss filed their response which contested the eligibility of the six transfers. That's very good for Michigan. Mars seems to think that NCAA is acting efficiently and will have a decision soon.

 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/23019676/attorney-encou…

mgobleu

April 3rd, 2018 at 7:11 PM ^

Mark Emmert last night and his "wait wait, let's congratulate Michigan, blah blah blah" told me all I need to know. We're screwed.

He Hate Me

April 3rd, 2018 at 7:14 PM ^

we can't haz nice things, everything can go fuggitself right now. those bullshit zebras, the SEC, ol Miss, the NC double assholes, errything

Blue in St Lou

April 3rd, 2018 at 7:19 PM ^

Seriously.  It was the NCAA that asked Michigan to provide additional information, not the other way around.  So it's not like Michigan asked for permission to add to its submission and the NCAA grudgingly said yes.  The NCAA had something specific in mind.  Shea's lawyer said they were asking what he considered to be the right questions.   And he thought Michigan would be able to respond in a few days. The lawyer said he's encouraged, and if he is, we should be, too.

CalifExile

April 3rd, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^

Or to create a false public perception that they're fair and working hard to "get it right," before they screw someone over. Judges love to ask questions that make you think they're leaning one way before ruling the other way. I think the NCAA will get a little additional joy from getting M fans' hopes up before they screw us.

DrMantisToboggan

April 4th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

Yeah head of Legislative Relief Committee is David Flores, commissioner of the Big 12, who is not a legal guy - he's a career Athletic Department guy. 

 

The rest of the committee includes Stephen Aley (PhD in Immunology and Biochemistry), VP of Research at UTEP, Erin Kido (UCLA undergrad, OSU Masters...shit) a career Athletic Department woman at Eastern Michigan, Tim Parker (Lynchburg undergrad, Richmond Masters) a compliance guy in Virginia Tech's AD, Stephen LaPorta (James Madison undergrad and Masters) a compliance guy in James Madison's AD, Kaitlyn McKittrick (Moravian undergrad, East Stroudsburg Masters) who is the Deputy Director of Athletics at Lafayette College, and Jennifer Lawlor (Lafayette undergrad, Neumann College Masters) who is Senior Associate AD at Monmouth. 

 

So, no lawyers here. Interesting that the Eastern Michigan person also has an OSU degree. Even more interesting is the fact that the committee contains TWO people connected to little Lafayette College, which happens to be Chris Partridge's alma mater, including Jennifer Lawlor who was an athlete at Lafayette at the same time as CP. Very interesting - hope CP made good connections.

Amaizing Blue

April 3rd, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^

As a high school counselor, we sometimes need to talk to them if our students have eligibility questions. Cliff notes version-we submit our classes to them so they can determine if they meet criteria for core classes that will be accepted by the eligibity center in determining an athlete's initial eligibility out of high school. There is a rubric the athlete must meet in terms of number of credits, distribution of those credits, GPA, and test scores. With one particular student, she needed a math class to count to be eligible. However, the name of the class we submitted and got approved differed by one letter from the way it appeared on the transcript. Really, one letter. Therefore, the NCAA would not approve the class. I told the NCAA rep we would change the name of the course on the transcript and resubmit. He was appalled by that idea, and warned me it would lead to many other complications and increased scrutiny, and "I didn't want to go down that road." Bottom line, the girl will have to take a math class this summer to be eligible, because of one letter in a course title. So, I am not optimistic they will ever do the right thing, at least on purpose.

Reader71

April 3rd, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^

Flexibility wouldn’t be an issue if they spelled the class right on the initial submission. If I was the girl who needed to take an extra class, I’d be mad at the inflexible NCAA and my dilettante school administrators.

Reader71

April 4th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

Luckily for me, this type of attitude is beneficial in my line of work. I’m not hammering the typo as much as the mentality that the response to the typo is the only thing that matters. This is the thing that interests me most in the whole world - the way people think about things, frame issues, etc.

Amaizing Blue

April 4th, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^

Your reaction seems out of proportion to what I said.  Tell me what you would have done differently.  The NCAA approved the course.  The girl took the course.  The NCAA informed us yesterday that the one-letter difference on the transcript meant that they wouldn't count it.  

First, does that seem a reasonable response from an organization that is supposed to be all about student athletes?  Second, is it reasonable that we would know it was going to happen when we've had the class approved for five years now, it's been appearing on our transcripts the same way that whole time, and we've never had any previous problems?

Most school employees are working in schools because we like kids and want to help them be successful.  Since I know this girl and have been working with her for four years, the situation bothers me way more than it could ever bother you-but I don't see what any reasonable person would have done differently.

BTW, story has a happy ending.  The girl will be eligible, and will not have to take an extra summer math class.  No thanks to the NCAA; our "dilettante" principals figured out a different way to proceed.

Reader71

April 4th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^

I’m not angry, but I would be if I had to take an extra class because someone else messed up. The NCAA is awful. They handled this terribly. I think you’re reading a defense of the NCAA where there isn’t one. Of course they should work with you to fix it - but that doesn’t change that it’s your mistake that has to be fixed. If I were the girl, I’d be mad at the NCAA, for sure. But I’d also be mad at my school. And the fact that the NCAA had overlooked the school’s inability to coordinate spellings in the past would be cold comfort to me during my summer class. Seems like two inept organizations. There’s blame enough for both. It’s great that the girl didn’t have to take an extra class! Let me ask, has the school made any changes to its process in order to avoid this kind of thing in the future?

mailmanmike209

April 4th, 2018 at 1:26 AM ^

The Dept of Labor!!!!! Dont ever get hurt, or reinjured, at work. I haven't been paid in 4 months and they could care less. Thank God for the run to the Championship Game, it's the only thing to bring joy in my life these last 4 months!!!!