December 15th, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
I've heard this from several sources in addition. I'm bummed bc: 1. I havent seen it 2. Now my excitment is tempered. Critics suck, thanks for building my hopes, 'best since Empire'...
December 15th, 2017 at 3:53 PM ^
Critics really blew this one. I went in believing them and they are so full of it. I'm not even sure it is better than Revenge of the Sith, and that movie was not good.
December 15th, 2017 at 6:13 PM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 1:21 PM ^
Did they have to include the love scene with Princess Leia and Chewbacca?
I mean, c'mon man.
December 15th, 2017 at 2:12 PM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 8:49 AM ^
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December 15th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^
Just came back from the theaters and loved it. What did I miss? I'd love to watch again.
December 15th, 2017 at 3:27 PM ^
Just saw it today, and it was awesome. Did I miss something? Do a bunch of you only want straight, nostalgic carbon-copies like force awakens to be satisfied?
December 15th, 2017 at 6:10 PM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 3:29 PM ^
Took me a while to figure out where I'd rank this one. First off, just to get it out of the way, it's really damn good. The opening crawl had me worried that we were just getting an Empire remake, but it seems the director made some conscious decisions to subvert that right from the start. There was a shocking amount of character development for most of the main trio. For the somewhat darker tone of this film it had a suprising amount of actually funny moments. Benicio Del Toro's performance was amazing. Visually, it was the most impressive Star Wars movie. There were about 3 moments in the movie that I won't spoil but they are the prettiest damn scenes scenes Star Wars has ever given us.
It's also not perfect. Damn is it long, and it drags in the middle to the detriment of the plot. It loses a lot of the tension it so carefully built in the 1st act by having the second act take at least 20 mintues too long to get from point A to B. This is probably a personal taste thing, but I watch Star Wars not for the sparkling dialogue so much as to see people kicking ass with lightsabers and the dialogue to lightsaber ass kickery ratio was way off. As good as Benicio Del Toro was Laura Dern was just sort of there. She wasn't bad, but she was certainly not the highlight of this film. and there's a thing that annoyed me plot wise, but it's way spoilery so I'll refrain.
Overall, this was the best Star Wars movie since the OG trilogy came out. I'm looking forward to going back and seeing it again.
December 15th, 2017 at 3:43 PM ^
Went in with probably unrealistic expectations due to the critics reviews. This is not a good movie. The script is a hot mess that never should have seen the light of day. Some of the casting choices were beyond awful. Rose may be the worst Star Wars character seen on screen since Jar Jar Binks.
What saves it is that the Kylo Ren/Luke story is actually pretty interesting and there is one scene in the middle of the film that is pretty awesome. The rest ranks down in prequel territory. Boring, worthless sub-plots created just so characters have stuff to do. Failed attempts at humor. Characters lucking out of horrible situations instead of actually doing anything useful. I won't be seeing it again. I didn't love TFA, but TFA was a better movie, despite being incredibly derivative. IMO Rogue One was a much MUCH better movie than this, even though we knew how it would end.
December 15th, 2017 at 4:29 PM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 4:34 PM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^
Because she was a terribly written character who delivered a bunch of unbelievably cheesy lines and served absolutely no useful purpose in the story whatsoever? I'd go into more detail but it would give away spoilers.
What are you seriously trying to claim I didn't like Rose because she was Asian or something? I don't care if she was white, red, blue, orange, whatever. Her character was stupid.
December 16th, 2017 at 6:59 PM ^
That's completely unfair. I'm an active supporter of diversity but when it appears the purpose of a character is for token diversity, it hurts the cause. Most people recognize token diversity. Rose was not an interesting character, seemed pointless and seemed out of place...not because of her ethnicity. She seemed like a Gilmore Girls character. Nothing in her storyline or dialogue was believable in the universe or situations. Her entire storyline felt forced.
December 15th, 2017 at 6:07 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 6:48 PM ^
Disagree. I don't need grey in Star Wars. We have enough of that in movies. Good vs evil. Redemption vs staying on bad path. Courage vs cowardess. You knew who to root for. That's Star Wars. I watch Game of Thrones for the grey stuff. Almost everything today is going for grey.
The stuff they're doing with political and social commentary, making characters and motivations grey betrays the heart of Star Wars.
December 15th, 2017 at 6:52 PM ^
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December 16th, 2017 at 4:34 AM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 7:45 AM ^
In this movie they made you question the very nature of good and evil in the Star Wars universe. Are both sides so different from each other? Would the galaxy just be better off without them?
In the end, movies are meant to entertain. They don’t always have to be big philosophical masterpieces. I go into a movie and tell myself that as long as I’m entertained, I have no regrets about going. I don’t care what critics say because I love movies they hate and vice versa. Their opinion means next to nothing for me.
December 16th, 2017 at 9:33 AM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^
It is because instead of developing good stories and then figuring out how the characters fit into these stories, they are instead trying to develop characters and then inventing stories for their characters to be involved in. So instead of hainvg a cohesive story involving the characters, we have a bunch of random stuff invented to keep the characters busy in order to have a large group of characters for Disney to market to people as "The Star Wars Characters".
Why does a character like Phasma even exist? She is 100% meaningless in the story other than to sell merchandise.
December 16th, 2017 at 11:35 AM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 6:39 PM ^
Yep, one of many stupid things about this movie. This movie proved that some characters were added to this trilogy simply because they'd be cool looking toys but they had no overall plan with them.
December 17th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
While I agree with a lot of what you said, I don't agree on Phasma. How is she any different than Boba Fett? He wore a cool outfit and in the end, he really brought nothing to the table to add to the story other than a sub-villain who sold toys.
December 16th, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^
Good or bad, it's Star Wars!! I remember having the vinyl record soundtrack from the first movie! Yes, I'm old.
December 16th, 2017 at 3:24 PM ^
December 16th, 2017 at 6:36 PM ^
Grossly over-rated by critics due to the social/political commentary. Left me unsatisfied. It was entertaining in a vacuum and really good visually but disapointing in the big picture story.
Even as someone who's become left leaning politically, I get extremely annoyed when storyline and lore suffers in order for a movie to make elementary level political and social commentary. Original Star Wars trilogy never tried this. It focused on simple human emotions and characteristics. The stuff most people could relate to. I don't need commentary about war, religion, animal cruelty or rich vs poor in Star Wars. I'm guessing the "side missions" that were created for the sole purpose of this commentary are the biggest disconnect between what Holywood critics loved and Star Wars fans hated.
Some positives:
- Swerves - not everything was predictable. Some things happened that I didn't expect.
- Mark Hamil - thought he was one of the bright spots of the entire movie
- Carrie Fischer - despite her death during the shooting of the movie, didn't feel like it impacted what I saw in any significant way
Negatives:
- New characters - seemed pointless especially when the new characters introduced last movie still need more development
- Filler - A 2.5 hour movie doesn't need filler. This movie had about an hour of filler that served little to no purpose in the overall scheme of this trilogy other than to make political commentary, introduce uninteresting characters and sell more toys.
- Really inconsistent with lore and attributes of characters and things. Stupid and lazy plot explanations. Don't want to get into spoilers but there were additional things as stupid as a Stormtrooper holding his own in a lightsaber battle with a Sith Lord.
December 16th, 2017 at 8:20 PM ^
When you say a stormtrooper holding his own in a lightsaber battle with a Sith Lord... are you talking about Finn vs. Kylo Ren? Because Kylo Ren isn't a Sith Lord.
Also, I agree with you about critics being swayed by politically correct movies and being afraid to give them negative reviews. But I don't think that's what happened here. It's almost hard to think of a movie these days that has less of a politically correct message in it than this one. Rather, I think that most of the superfan disappointment is coming from this not being a re-tread of ESB.
December 17th, 2017 at 8:40 AM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 12:15 PM ^
If you're talkng about what I think you're talking about, it's believed that those were trained by Luke (as referenced in the movie) and in the great falling out ended up wearing a red outfit.
December 17th, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 12:12 PM ^
Not nearly as good as Rogue One, but better than Episode VII. That's a low bar to clear (Episode VII) to be honest though. I felt that Disney has found a niche in humor and they are trying to apply it to everything. While the original trillogy had some funny moments, they didn't feel forced. Ever since Guardians, it seems every movie now has forced humor in it. This is no different. The story itself basically did nothing to continue the initial story told in the first movie. not to say the story was weak, but what's the point of doing pretty much everything you did in Episode VII to destroy it and start again in Episode VIII. So I rate it an average movie. I felt it was great in effects. So let's call it a Michael Bay movie with a serviceable plot.