Was there a single holding penalty called against psu?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
Yeah but where's the fun in complaining about that?
*looks at rest of board*
oh ok
October 21st, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
Fine. They're offensive gameplan was far superior and ours is often downright baffling of late. (Pep, Drev, and JH clearly aren't in sync as a play-calling unit.)
But how soundly do they beat us if 4-5 holdings get called and makes their OL more honest. I'm with the OP, the number of holds I saw on Gary alone were unreasonable. How many DBs were kept from getting to a tackle because of having their jersey or arm held by a WR? How come nobody is asking how every week, every opponent manages practically 0 holding calls against this defensive line?
I always defer to UFR, but it's another week of feeling the table was tilted. Would we have won? Doubt it. But it's potentially not quite whatever that was.
October 22nd, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:55 PM ^
PSU deserved to win by about 14. Refs didn't hand them the win, but they did turn it into a blowout. Also, it takes a lot of the fun out of watching football when it's clear that the refs have decided in advance how they're going to call it. Didn't always used to be this way, but it's damn near every week now. Incredibly frustrating.
October 22nd, 2017 at 1:58 AM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
Okay, so this is real. They held on multiple downs. I'm not very football savvy and I kept catching it. Where were the refs? Yikes.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
Was the lack of intentional grounding. They ended up scoring on a drive that they wouldve been in a 3rd down and 17ish..... complete bullshit that Herbstreit could see it but not the people paid money to make the call
October 21st, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
That was a terrible no call, but PSU didnt score on that drive.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:37 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:43 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:25 AM ^
was practically in Philly.
The WRs at Indiana last week were closer to the 'area' than any PSU player.
We don't get holding calls. Our DBs get picked mercilessly (OPI). PSU lined up in the neutral zone multiple times (not quite as much as MSU) - yet we've drawn the only call I've seen all year. And now two weeks in a row of clear grounding not being called that had material effects on the games. Allen gets to scream and walk out to the numbers - no call. WR pulls on Kinnel's arm band, DPI.
Like I said, I need the unbiased lens of UFR. If Brian says we didn't get hosed, I'll change my tune. Didn't feel like it live.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
we havent been getting calls, but we also should be producing more
October 21st, 2017 at 11:30 PM ^
It’s interesting because it’s really how you stop a Don Brown team. Hold the hell out of the pass rush to buy time.
Also plenty of holding by their WR downfield.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
I think you're right. Block in the back on a punt return. Numerous times I saw a tackle holding Gary from behind. And wtf at the no call on the really blatant grounding.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
Yes, the officials were terrible. They caused a 15 point loss to become a 30 point loss.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
And you are concerned no holding penalties were imposed against them? Wow.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:38 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:38 PM ^
It's not trivial. But it was by no means determinative. We got schlonged. This loss was on our coaching staff.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:32 AM ^
but we'll never know if it would have made a difference. Thinking probably not.
Still.
I'd leave this conference today.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:31 PM ^
When is the last time Michigan was only called for one penalty in a game?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
No holding penalties though. PSU probably would have still won, but the game would have been closer.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
I was wondering why no holds were called, but I'll wait for the UFR.
The bottom line is that they could get their star running back against Mike McCray and their senior receiver against pretty much any safety, and they could score with that or get big plays. And that's pretty much ball game for Michigan. Great gameplan from them; they won, and I don't think the refs really handed it to them.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
This game obviously was not decided by flags or non-flags. Save the ref hate for when it merits hate.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^
They didn't win because of the holds, but it was pretty egregious at times.
But again, you don't lose 42-13 because of holding penalties. Just like you don't lose 49-10 because of missing linebackers.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:45 PM ^
Gary was doubled over trying to back up and get to Barkley on the first TD run (the 69 yarder). Doubtful Gary could stop him, but a hold is a hold. That should have come back. Also, Hudson was held on McSorely's first TD run.
I mean, the defense was destroyed. But if the refs aren't calling the penalties that are there, how does anyone compete?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:35 PM ^
We need snowflake threads for officiating too, don't we?
Not that it would stop the constant onslaught of such threads, but we apparently need one to at least take the brunt of the blog's initial salvo of threads about various calls, non-calls (of which there were several in this game) and penalties.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:39 PM ^
I am sure many user would like to donate a little more money to help that out.
when Brian has a few year of sample size, we can see how bias/bad the BIG refs are.
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^
Please Brian ?
October 21st, 2017 at 11:42 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:53 AM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
Sure, the officiating was crap, but it wouldn't have mattered. We got assblasted into outer space
Complaining about last year's OSU game is justified, since Michigan pretty much outplayed their opponent. This, however, was a mess.
The officiating does suck pretty badly, though, and it does so rather consistently. B1G refs are trash and they're putting an awful product out there on the field no matter who's playing, it seems.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:39 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:41 PM ^
how come we are always on theshort end of stick?
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:38 AM ^
we GIVE a lot more to this conference than what we get.
If it were up to me goodbye B1G
October 22nd, 2017 at 11:23 AM ^
Michigan gets "out officiated " every week in the BIG. Someone please research this ? The effort will be worth it, so we can see that the data shows it.
October 21st, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:43 PM ^
October 21st, 2017 at 11:50 PM ^
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:08 AM ^
that's not true. I'v seen RR rea, when the team is that bad, the refs still make many bad calls against us. That was when I notice John Oneil.
If you think ref is human, why don't you admit the fact that they can be bias too. In fact, the bowl game are usually fine because it's called by refs from other conference. It's the BIG ref clearly has some agenda.
Not that it matter in this game. The thing is PSU relied on ref to beat OSU last year. they won't get away with this in Columbus.
Ref can kill drive, one holding flag in timely manner can kill a drive. they can screw your game plan allowing the oppositing team hold like held when you can't even cut block their defender (yes, i am talking that play, our OL didn't even engage that defender, how the hell is a chop block?). they can also screw your QB allowing the defenders late hit him without call (Yes, I am talking about MSU game, the ref was literally stand next to the QB when he got late hit). The first quarter and how the ref call the game can greately influence the game, usually they will balance back in 2nd and 3rd qrt. When the 4qrt is close game, they will use their flag again when it's necessary. I'v seen the pattern again and again in many BIG game (Michigan and non-Michigan). We are not BAMA and can dominate other team so the ref just doesn't matter.
October 22nd, 2017 at 12:43 AM ^