Penn State Snowflakes: The Coaching

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This will be the repository for your thoughts and hot takes on the coaching performance in our game versus Penn State.

bamf16

October 21st, 2017 at 11:02 PM ^

For the first time since he came to Michigan, Don Brown absolutely got his ass handed to him by the opposing team's offensive coordinator. They ran McSorley against man defense and Michigan couldn't get out of the McCray on Barkley match up. And Tim Drevno simply is not good enough as an offensive coordinator to make up for the talent deficiencies and inexperience at skill positions.

YouRFree

October 21st, 2017 at 11:21 PM ^

WR 5, TE 88, QB run/accurate arm punting plus Barkey Run+recieving.

We have hard time to defense. We are not bama yet. and the defense is young. They will learn the lesson and improve their technique. there is so much the scheme can do. when it's one on one, the player needs to make a play.

 

bamf16

October 21st, 2017 at 11:26 PM ^

So you watched McCray on Barkley tonight and thought to yourself that it'll be ok if McCray just makes a play?

 

You watched Kinnel and Metellus tonight in man coverage and thought it was just about players not making plays?

 

I agree that the defense is still young, and the guys they'll lose after the season have some younger guys with pedigree behind them, but tonight PSU got the matchups they wanted all night long. 

bamf16

October 22nd, 2017 at 12:18 AM ^

Agreed. What an upgrade from Gedeon to Bush at MLB...and Gedeon is playing on Sundays!

 

McCray good as a run stopper and he'll have some good plays against Minnesota, Rutger, and Wisconsin.

 

But what happens when he has to do against OSU's RBs what he was unable to do tonight against Barkley?

Blue Velvet

October 21st, 2017 at 11:54 PM ^

Consistently found the match ups they wanted. Tall WR on safety. Barkley on McCray. And teams seem to be figuring out how to slow down our rush. By holding often but not all the time. We’re not getting pressure and our defense demands that.

YouRFree

October 22nd, 2017 at 12:39 AM ^

my point is that our DB was not good enough to defense their talented WR and TE. Don Brown cannot tackle, follow or PUB for them. Our DB got beat in slant again and again. They are not good enough yet. Jordan Lewis would have defended those slants beautifully.

McCray 's pass coverage is a liability for 3 years. Not news, but we don't have anybody to replace him for every down now. As long as he's on the field, PSU can exploit it. We are not BAMA yet, scheme can only do so much. the rest is on player. I wish we have one devin bush in the midel and two Hudsons on left and right to cover the pass.  we will have faster LB corps next year.

creelymonk10

October 21st, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^

Maybe don't play action on 4th and 11 out of the I. Or maybe don't send 4 guys 25 yards deep on 3rd and 4. Some really good plays in the 1st half and the 1st series of the 2nd. Not so great after that. 

AdamVN1

October 21st, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^

The team looked overwhelmed and lost in most aspects of the game. The offensive struggles don't seem to be getting better, and the defense appears to be regressing. I can't really figure out why Harbaugh can't seem to get control of things even after two years of his recruits.

Mr. Owl

October 22nd, 2017 at 2:29 AM ^

The team looked like a young team playing the #2 team in the nation.

I saw enough out of the young guys that has me hopeful for the next few years.  Still, it would be nice if the QB options for next year didn't look like:

1. Injured guy who looked bad coming off an injury the previous season.  (Also 3 broken vertebrae could be seen as a reason to hang 'em up.)

2. Guy who has taken ~5 snaps.

3. RS-freshman that makes Drake Harris look beefy.

CLord

October 21st, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^

Yep.  That is what happens when Pro coaches come to college - they expect pro level execution from kids who can't execute at that level.  Notice how McSorly never had more than 2 decisions to make, and many times only one.  Drevno's offense expects a kid to go through 3-4 progressions and consider running.  Just disconnect between these pro coaches and the college game.  Drevno can pump that well all he wants, there is no pro water coming out of it.

YouRFree

October 22nd, 2017 at 12:44 AM ^

this is not CA. BIG's season has some nasty weather every year. rain, cold rain, snow, cold weather that affect passing, you name it. while pro style is not the only way to succeed, there is no doubt in my mind that air raid will not work in BIG. Running the ball is the key no matter what style. I do hope to have a QB that can run though. that will add on one more dimension. If Mcsoley won't be able to run and convert so many first downs, we may still have a chance to defense them.

CLord

October 21st, 2017 at 11:04 PM ^

We need an OC who understands that in college, it's OK to throw to a covered receiver in man coverage and hope for a leap catch or interference.  Drevno has his QB only throwing to seldom open receivers.  He is in over his head.  Was just an OC at USan Diego D2, that's it.  Michigan needs the Don Brown counter point running offense, something even remotely as creative as Ped State's OC who looked like a man competing against an infant in terms of offensive schemes.

MFanWM

October 21st, 2017 at 11:04 PM ^

Absolute failure to adapt to your team and personnel on the field.  Receivers need to have some clue on how to come back to the QB when the play breaks down or heavy blitz is obvious.  OKorn has an absolutely broken "clock" regarding when he has to decide and either throw, run or get rid of the ball, he costs 2-3 sacks a game by just holding on to the damn ball for too long.

Play calling lacks any unique concepts or the simplicity necessary to let young players quickly pick up and play without overthinking and making mental errors.

jbrandimore

October 21st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

But in the midst of his 4-8 campaign last year he fired his defensive coordinator mid season and his offensive coordinator in the off season and ND may well make the playoffs with an offense that really can’t throw that much. I wouldn’t have suggested before tonight that Kelly was a better coach than Harbaugh, but you can’t watch this shit show and not take action.

CLord

October 21st, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^

Yep.  Like I said before - Harbaugh is facing his LLoyd moment.  Will it be loyalty or success?  He should demote Drevno to OL coach after this year and hire an OC with a proven track record of excelling with limited talent.  USF seems to have a great offense maybe look there?  Colorado?  Central Florida?  Drevno is no OC, period. That is what is broken with this team.

MGrether

October 21st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

Last year we had the super experienced team, they were young, we beat them down. This year, it was the reverse. Look @ WR: their SR wide out made killer plays in great coverage. Out young guns dropped passes hearing foot steps.

killerseafood3

October 21st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

I don’t care about track record. All that matters is the job James Franklin is doing is head and shoulders above the job Harbaugh is. B1G champs last yr, BCS bowl, embarrassed us in prime time. Urban has a national championship and is killing it in recruiting. Dantonio has rebounded a 3-9 team that lost key playmakers and has his team playing good ball. Harbaugh makes 9mil a year and his coordinators make a mil, double what Clemson OCs make. Something stinks. I don’t want to trust the process or look ahead to 2019. I want Michigan to start winning big games.

ThadMattasagoblin

October 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^

PSU has Barkley and other playmakers. We don't have that. Crawford, DPJ is still learning routes etc. If Harbaugh was bad we'd be going 4-8 but we're headed for a 8-4 year. Saban didn't do well in 2010 after losing all his players off the 2009 team.

enlightenedbum

October 21st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

Offensive coaching is bad.  Playcalling is ridiculous.  The fourth and 11 playaction was the cherry on top of that shit sandwich.  That's not new.

Don Brown got smoked by Joe Moorhead, who is hopefully the head coach at Tennessee or some place next year.  Hopefully McCray is replaced with someone more athletic since we have been extremely stubborn about continuing that matchup.  Puts him in a position to fail, which is entirely on the coaching.  And the safeties can't guard really good WRs, I was frustrated that adjustment to put Hill in the slot didn't happen as Hamilton kept beating the safeties.  McSorley executed and he's good, but the matchups made things easy reads.

If we lose 24-13 or something because the offense couldn't hold I'd feel at least decent.  But Urban and company can look at that game and destroy us.  And so we're looking at an 8-4 year without much hope beyond hoping that with some more experience next year the OL can stay firm and we can be an elite team.

Frustrating times since the Iowa trip last year.

umfan323

October 21st, 2017 at 11:06 PM ^

They played the whole game with all 11 defenders within 10 yards ... Shows NO respect at all for our passing game.. Yet we took no shots deep ... These coordinators need to go

SD Larry

October 21st, 2017 at 11:06 PM ^

learn how to do a better job of pass protection.  Play calling slightly better but still not very good.  JOK ran pretty well.  

PSU's offensive scheme worked.   Playmakers and a lot of open receivers tonight for PSU.