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Brian

10/7/2017 – Michigan 10, Michigan State 14 – 4-1, 1-1 Big Ten

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a metaphor for somethin' [Bryan Fuller]

Don Brown is in one of those Progressive commercials where everything gradually turns white, except in his case everything is gradually turning back into Boston College. Someone walks by with a bunch of hockey sticks. Bill Simmons is on the television again. He swears he overhears a conversation about pahking the cah. Maroon filters into his peripheral vision.

On Wednesday at three fifteen PM there is going to be a knock on the door. Steve Addazio is going to walk in and sit down. Brown will summon all his willpower not to jam the nearest pen through his own eyesocket, to claw the power of sight from his face and evaporate from the world of men.

Jay Harbaugh, seated, will wonder if the slight twitch under Brown's eye means anything or if it's just something that happens to men of a certain age. He will not say something about "guys being dudes," and will never know how close he—how close all of us—came to Total Mustache Annihilation. He will tell Brown about Terrace House, a Japanese version of the Real World where everyone is very nice and considerate of each other's feelings.

Thus disabused of the Addazio specter, Brown will resume destroying all that opposes him until the inevitable knife in the back. He tries not to think of Sisyphus, and fails.

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Michigan's main problem on offense is that they are bad at it. This is not a good problem. "Our right tackle sucks" is something you might be able to address. "Almost everyone is not good at football right now" leads to situations like Saturday. I brought up the Law Of Large Percentages Multiplied A Lot, which is something I just made up right now, in a brief twitter conversation with a reporter who wanted people to know one weird thing about Oklahoma football:

That is a weird thing, but it's not as weird as it sounds. If OU was a 10 point favorite in eight games they'd get through unscathed just 12% of the time*. If they were a 14 point favorite they get up to 27%. You have to get up to 17.5—a 93.7% shot at victory!—before Hypothetical OU even hits 50%. The Law Of Large Percentages Multiplied A Lot is that even big ones fall off faster than you'd think.

Michigan's offense has 6-7-8 guys who have to execute on any particular play for it to be a success, and... let's just say many of them are not three-score favorites to do so on any particular play. They are an example of The Law Of Large Percentages And Some Quite Small Ones Multiplied A Lot. The results can be seen in the box score, or the haunted look on the face of a man who replaced ten starters and still has the #3 defense in the country.

And so today the Must brigade is out. "Must" is the worst word in sportswriting for a lot of reasons. Foremost among them is that whatever follows "must" is something so blindingly obvious Marcelo Balboa is probably talking about a replay of it as we speak. He must catch that ball. He must YES WE KNOW I HAVE EYES, AT LEAST FOR NOW, I'M CONSIDERING A CHANGE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU.

I spent most of the weekend trying and failing to get this column done because I couldn't wade into any commentary on the game that wasn't furious and over the top, and immediately made me want to go do something else. Weird shit happens in college football, especially when you're playing your backup QB, and there's a brief second-half monsoon, and on top of that you turn the ball over five times. Various dirt stupid people are now flogging a "Harbaugh is 1-4 versus rivals" thing as if that encapsulates the whole of his tenure, or even his career. Yeah, Michigan had the dumb thing happen on the punt and lost by a literal inch in Columbus last year. If you're ascribing that to something other than chance I cannot help you.

Whatever Harbaugh MUST do he's probably already doing. He has a track record, and he'll either follow that up with more of the same or not. We're oddly locked in: few coaches trying to establish themselves at a new school come with the pedigree that Harbaugh does, so he'll get a ton of time and a bunch of rope and we'll see where it goes. It'll probably go really well once they aren't carrying the baggage of someone else's screwups on top of their base rate.

But I mean, go ahead and yell about how unacceptable everything is, I guess. We are dying to hear about your feelings.

*[This is based on this site's conversion of point spreads to winners.]

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blanket [Fuller]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

-2535ac8789d1b499[1]you're the man now, dog

#1 Mo Hurst. Hurst got to play a lot of three tech this week and went from making good plays that someone else scoops up the glory on to wrecking the interior of the opposition offense himself. The fourth down stop stands out, because Hurst may have induced the fumble from a nervous center; Hurst whooped him anyway and the play was doomed either way.

#2 Lavert Hill. Hill's three PBUs were all excellent plays, and he was in the hip pocket of whoever his assignment was for the duration. MSU had... one open receiver? Maybe two? Lewerke averaged 4.3 YPA. Hill played the largest part in that.

#3 Brad Robbins. Averaged 43 yards a punt in often-difficult conditions and mindblasted the MSU returner on the muff; gave up just ten total return yards on seven attempts.

Honorable mention: Most of the rest of the defense. And... Grant Perry, I guess?

KFaTAotW Standings.

8: Devin Bush (#1 Florida, T2 Cincinnati, T2 Air Force, #1 Purdue)
5: Chase Winovich(#1 Air Force, #2a Purdue) 
3: Mason Cole (#1, Cincinnati), Ty Isaac (#2, Florida, #3 Cincinnati), Mo Hurst (#1 MSU)   
2: Quinn Nordin (#3 Florida, #3 Air Force), John O'Korn (#2 Purdue), Lavert Hill (#2 MSU)
1: Khaleke Hudson (T2 Cincinnati), Tyree Kinnel (T2 Cincinnati), Mike McCray(T2 Air Force), Sean McKeon(T3 Purdue), Zach Gentry (T3 Purdue), Brad Robbins(#3 MSU).

Who's Got It Better Than Us Of The Week

MSU's punt returner dorfs on a bomb by Robbins, muffing it back to the two and setting up a short field that Michigan would use to get their touchdown.

Honorable mention: The first drive was pretty all right until the back-to-back fades.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Eddie McDoom drops a pass that would have taken Michigan down to the 25 with 13 seconds left.

Honorable mention: Pick a turnover but especially the first two, as they were key in Michigan's deficit by the time the rain arrived. Lewerke scrapes out a late first down because he lands on Michigan players. Michigan gets a touchdown wiped off the board on a Higdon holding call. Most offensive plays.

[After THE JUMP: what would you say you do here]

OFFENSE

Under pressure. I am down with Tim Drevno glaring at this juncture. He got dealt a tough hand. So far he's blown it. He comes in late and takes a flier on Ulizio; Ulizio just got yanked for Bushell-Beatty. More egregious was Michigan's OL recruiting the year after. Despite an obvious, crying need for tackles Michigan took zero—zero zero zero.

They inherited Erik Swenson and dicked around with him until January despite the fact they knew they had no desire to take him. Then they got blindsided by Devery Hamilton's Stanford flip. Replacing those guys was... nobody. Michigan added Stephen Spanellis, who's 100% a guard, and has since played Ben Bredeson exclusively at guard despite the fact that he was supposedly neck and neck with Newsome for the LT job last year. So instead of two redshirt freshman tackle bullets Michigan has nothing but Ulizio and Brady Hoke's leftovers.

Michigan has one highly touted tackle in Drevno's tenure, freshman Chuck Filiaga. Michigan had to know about the looming hole there and they've utterly failed to address it. That goes back to Drevno. Add in the disjointed OL in year three and it might be FCS head coaching time.

Settle in. Bizarrely, in the midst of the game Chris Fowler told the world that Wilton Speight had cracked vertebrae and was out for the season. Tom Van Haaren followed this up with an article:

Wilton Speight has three broken vertebrae in his back, a source confirmed to ESPN.

ESPN's Chris Fowler first reported Speight's injury at the top of ABC's Saturday night broadcast of the Michigan State-Michigan game saying: "Wilton Speight ... he is out, probably for the season. He has three broken vertebrae, he told us." ...

While it's likely that Speight will be out for the remainder of the season, he will be reevaluated six to eight weeks after the injury occurred.

For unnecessary confirmation, a reader forwarded this David Turnley photo along from instasnapbook:

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I got a report that Speight told someone not affiliated with ESPN he could be back in four weeks. I'd assume that the longer projection is more likely to be correct. It boggles the mind that fractured freakin' vertebrae aren't obviously season-ending. Anyway, don't expect Speight back any time soon.

O'Korn couldn't see anything. I don't know how much of O'Korn's tendency to stand in the pocket for four or five seconds before attempting to scramble out was on him and how much was on the wide receivers not getting open. That was the main theme in the passing offense, though: reasonable protection that eventually breaks down on the right side; O'Korn hangs onto the ball way too long. A couple of sacks were four or five seconds in the pocket, and O'Korn has to know that he's not likely to get that much time.

Break glass in case of—*BREAKS GLASS*. If Speight's out for the year and O'Korn continues to struggle the calls for Brandon Peters will be incessant, and I'll be amongst them. Without a radically improved offense this team is topping out as a Citrus Bowl outfit. Time to see what Peters brings to the table.

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THIS IS THE WRONG PERSON TO FADE AT [Upchurch]

I have several problems with you people. Michigan's first drive was going swimmingly until two routes in the corner of the endzone yielded zilch. One was a wheel route to McKeon that was well covered, and I guess that's understandable. The second was a fade to McDoom. Michigan's policy of exclusively throwing fades at people a foot shorter than Zach Gentry is driving me crazy. Fades aren't great in general. Fades at a 5'11" guy who isn't Jeremy Gallon make me want to fade into Bolivia.

At least the Hail Mary went at the right guy:

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[Upchurch]

So we've got that going for us.

Zero QB run game. Other game calling complaints: Michigan had zero QB run game for O'Korn. I'm not asking Michigan to go Denard with him, but at no point did Michigan make MSU even think about O'Korn as a runner. Very frustrating when MSU gets half their rushing yards from Lewerke, and even more so when the second half cried out for various ways to make yards without throwing the ball.

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These guys are too close together [Upchurch]

Next to zero deep shots. I saved the worst for last, but I'm not sure exactly who this is on: Michigan basically did not test the Michigan State safeties in pass coverage. One attempted corner route to Gentry was broken up after it looked like DPJ ran the wrong route, drawing additional defenders—or at least not delaying them. Michigan didn't go after them again, basically for the whole game. What deep shots did exist were on the sideline against the corners; M utterly failed to heed the lessons of the Big 12.

Crawford. He had a play on a deep ball and did not make it, adding to his litany of missed opportunities. Have to wonder if Black could have made a difference here. The continued absence of Oliver Marin and Nico Collins means they're all but certain to redshirt; I guess I can't complain about that because Freshman Wide Receivers Suck, but I am a little disappointed one of them hasn't broken through a battered screen door.

Yes, Brady Hoke is still partially responsible for this. The only Hoke players who are playing more than a very minor role are the two fullbacks, Ty Isaac, Mason Cole, and Patrick Kugler. The quarterback depth chart reads...

  • Generic Three Star
  • Houston Transfer
  • Redshirt Freshman

...because of Hoke.

Michigan's unusual wait to pick up Harbaugh is another contributing factor. Harbaugh brought in a bunch of dudes from the NFL who were picking up college recruiting cold and had to scramble to add a number of guys in three weeks. They added more contributors in that time than Hoke did for the entire cycle. (Wheatley, Gentry, Higdon, and Perry vs Kinnel, Newsome, and I guess Ulizio.) It was still not enough to rescue a tiny class.

DEFENSE

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crunch [Upchurch]

So that's how you stay in contact with five turnovers. The preview projected ten MSU points plus whatever the offense handed them, and this turned out to be pessimistic. MSU had 8 three-and-outs, one of them a four-and-out turnover on downs. They gave up a short-field TD drive based mostly on QB scrambles; they gave up an actual long TD drive that was about half a contested downfield deep ball that was a PBU... and also a catch. A selection of we-saved-this plays got them the rest of the way. One 50 yard run was about the only other thing Michigan gave up until the four-minute drill that got a couple first downs, the second incredibly fortunate.

The second-half D was helped out by the weather and MSU's (very, very correct) conservative approach, but you really can't ask for more. Michigan should have ground MSU down in a field position game for the entirety of the second half and won, but O'Korn's interceptions prevented that.

More Mone. Bryan Mone got his most extensive playing time of the year. He—or another DT—was almost always in there on any manball-ish snap. Mone did well, plowing various dudes back, and that's reassuring for future manball outings and Mone's future in general.

Bush relatively quiet. Devin Bush made a number of tackles at or near the line of scrimmage but didn't have any dramatic backfield plunderings. For the first time this year he was held off the stat sheet aside from tackles. It'll be interesting to see whether that was tactical from either team, a manball effect, or just one of those things.

FWIW, the PF he got was total crap; even if he deserved it he'd just been punched in the face and at worst it should have been offsetting. The offsides at the end was painful. I mean, sort of. It would have been more painful if it seemed like the offense could score in the next sixty years.

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no sir [Fuller]

Lavert Hill headed towards excellent. Hill had three PBUs, each of them excellent. The most excellent may have been a zone snap where he was in cover two and fell off the short route, breaking up a 15-ish yard throw that otherwise would have been a first down chunk. He had another on a deep corner route on which he was in the WR's hip pocket and provided zero window.

There were a few open MSU receivers short in zone stuff and one a bit deeper—he dropped it. Other than that, nothing was open. Brandon Watson kinda sorta got beat on a ball he got his hand on; that's the second time in two weeks that's happened to a Michigan CB. Makes you wonder why Michigan isn't trying to get similar chunks when nothing else is working.

No sacks, barely. Lewerke was dragged down fractionally behind the line of scrimmage a couple times but the official box score had those as zero yard runs, so Rashan Gary did not get credit for a sack when he flung down Lewerke with one hand.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Got one? Probably. Given the trajectory of one MSU punt and Jared Wangler going nuts afterwards I think Michigan got their first punt block of the year. Unfortunately it was one of those that goes 22 yards instead of –22 yards, but that's life, especially in this game.

Hartbarger was seemingly uncomfortable on a couple more, with some uncharacteristically short punts.

Never return kickoffs. That is all.

MISCELLANEOUS

The ministry of silly runs. Chris Evans had occasion to do this in a football game:

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[Upchurch]

Football is weird.

HERE

Best And Worst:

But this game felt like 2001, or 1990, or even 2015, games where Michigan State was more lucky than good. That doesn't mean MSU didn't play well enough to win, only that these weren't dominant wins by superior teams like (sadly) they were against Hoke's and RR's teams. MSU needed 5 turnovers (and none of their own), a backup QB, a torrential downpour, and a QB being stopped short after a fumbled snap yet sliding on his falling center's leg to barely hold on against Michigan, and while that's usually how underdogs win games, it doesn't point toward sustained dominance in this series by the Spartans.

Bill Connelly pointed this out in his Five Factors post this weekend: MSU had a turnover margin of +4.8 above their national average, which works out to about 24 points of "bad luck" by Michigan. Michigan lost such a game by 4 points, and had a chance on the last play to still pull it out. It always sucks to be the team that has the luck go against it, but this loss still feels different. MSU tried to give this game away, and they nearly did with poor clock management and even poorer self control. This loss, as bad as it is in the moment, feels like 2015, a stumble but not a fall. I don't put too much stock into tides or narratives, but this rivalry is starting to feel like it did during most of my youth, where MSU wins were notable because of their weirdness and not their dominance. And I think the other half of that equation, the scarcity of Spartan victories, will follow soon as well.

You can also keep up with Michigan alums playing in Japan:

Devin Gardner led the Nojima Rise to another high scoring victory, this time besting the Lixil Deers 38-35 at Amino Vital Field.

Mario Ojemudia recorded a sack on the opening series of the game for Nojuma. Starting from their own 42 after the subsequent punt, Gardner drove the Rise down to the Deer 11 yard line, and a field goal made it 3-0.

ELSEWHERE

Nope!

Comments

ijohnb

October 9th, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^

the only thing that could stop Michigan was the one thing that happened in the game, and that isn't attributable to coaching at all?  Continuous problems with ball security (Iowa, OSU, every game this season) is not a coaching problem because .......... why?  Because it has happened all year and last year so it should not be surprising? 

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Reader71

October 9th, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^

I mean, Harbaugh could theoretically coach Isaac to stop fumbling. He tried a lot last year, benching him for long stretches for it. But then he fumbled. He could coach McKeon not to fight for a pointless inch or two with the ball extended out from his body. I bet that’ll be a teaching point this week. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen again. He could coach his QB not to throw to the defense. But such luminaries such as every quarterback ever to play football continues to do it from time to time. In the end, some QBs are more susceptible to throwing pucks than others. Our guy now seems to be one of them. Turnovers are partly on coaching, for sure. But you seem to think there’s a magic fix. State put the ball on the ground a few times and we didn’t pick it up. And D’Antonio is a pretty damn good coach.

ijohnb

October 9th, 2017 at 2:15 PM ^

brought up the turnovers to suggest that this loss has nothing to do with the coaches.  I responded that if the turnovers have nothing to do with coaching, why do we continue to have debilitating turnovers in every loss?  Is there something in particular about our personnel that make them more prone to turning the ball over?  Are they just not good, and not good players turn the ball over?  If they are just not good, why are they not good? 

So Brian says that the problem with the offense is that the players are not good, but that is not a coaching thing?  Oh, but it is a Drevno thing and not a Harbaugh thing?  Wait, last week the narrative was that Harbaugh is actually the play caller but now that is not a thing anymore and now its a Drevno thing.  I mean, I don't want Harbaugh to be fired.  I think it is ridiculous for anybody to suggest he should be, but why are people so desperate for this not to be on him at all? 

You have a QB playing his second full game here talking to the press and taking ALL responsibility for the loss, and a head coach who doesn't take any of it.  Here is where you need a head coach to take this one on the chin and allow his team to grow from it with some cover. Harbaugh isn't doing any of that despite having more than enough clout leverage to do so. 

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CRISPed in the DIAG

October 9th, 2017 at 2:15 PM ^

I'm not even reading your rantings about the coaches because I don't totally disagree with them.  Save it. And I never said the coaches didn't deserve criticism. But you (and others) are too quick to hang coaches with no regard to statistical anomolies. 

I'm sorry to get nerd on you, but turnover luck is a thing. INT's can be attributable to coaching, somewhat. Fumbles almost never. Rage on, brother.

bddutchg

October 9th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

There is no excuse for not having a dominant offensive line at the University of Michigan.

This is 101 level stuff, people.  UM has produced NFL talent for decades, and should be able to recruit on that, plus all the other amazing advantages of playing at Michigan.

Got it?

Chipper1221

October 9th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

Im mad at ignoring all the signs leading up to this, this offense looked like shit all year long and every game I made an excuse and thought things would change 

Maizen

October 9th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

Lot of money being spent on an offensive coaching staff that can't even cobble together 15 points at home off of a bye week. I get all the Hoke stuff but at some point you have to stop making excuses and just win the games you are supposed to win. MSU is a bad team and while UM may not win the B1G this year, this was a game they should have had. Will be interesting to see what if any changes JH makes this offseason, because that side of the ball is a complete mess right now, and no one seems to be getting any better.

dragonchild

October 9th, 2017 at 12:43 PM ^

but the fact of the matter is that the mistakes that were made cannot be solved quickly.

Harbaugh's latest QB hit, just to provide proof that he's still got it, was Rudock and he's gone.  He'll find our next great QB but where's he going to find it now?  Out his ass?

The last two years of Hoke's tenure were a disasters for O-line recruiting and Harbaugh's staff has not done a good job with this particular need.  But what's to be done about it now?  Pluck some tackles off waivers?  Oh wait this isn't the NFL.

Right now the offense is not good at anything.  Now there are two polar extreme playcalling approaches to this conundrum and we've seen up close that neither work.  Borges and Purdue showed that frippery is unsustainable.  Nuss showed that try to grow an IZ team and you'll suck for at least a year.  It seems Harbaugh is leaning toward the latter, but either way Saturday was not the conditions that an offense bad at everything would've been able to execute anything, whether it's running IZ with a crappy O-line or a double-reverse flea flicker with a pirouette and an Iron Chef durian challenge, or any gorram genius playcall anyone here thinks would've saved the game.  This was choosing between the 2011 trash tornado or Michigan getting shut out by Notre Dame.  We lost two fumbles on the ground and three through the air and when that happens Harbaugh tends to crawl into a shell.

This is not an endorsement of how the offense has been handled so far.  If anything that's a backhanded indictment, because the fundamental issues were somewhat preventable (we at least had chances to recruit tackles).  Some coaching changes after season's end may be called for.  But the one thing about this offense is that it doesn't have any quick-fixes so the whole "year 3" or "win now" cries come off as pouting because these issues were visible before the season started and everyone agreed then that there was nothing to be done but ride with what we've got.  We didn't have a right tackle or a viable backup QB in August; what the hell does everyone think changed in October?

Maizen

October 9th, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^

Michigan has more talent than MSU and was playing at home coming off a bye. But go ahead and tell whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better about losing to a team coming off a 3-9 season and the most disastrous off season in CFB this year.

ijohnb

October 9th, 2017 at 1:51 PM ^

I don't quite know how people want to classify this game if not a complete and total disaster.  I have never said it is "unacceptable", but I guess I would ask..... is it acceptable?  I have never said that "we MUST beat terrible Michigan State teams at home(!)" but....... musn't we? 

mgogogadget

October 9th, 2017 at 3:02 PM ^

understand the relevance of what is or isn't "acceptable" to a fan base. This loss is acceptable based on this coaching staff's track record. MSU was 3-9 last year, but they're still coached by the same guy who lead them to the CFB Playoff just the year before. Dantonio has a roster full of his players, within a system he's implemented since 2007. Our fanbase desperately wanted to attribute their success to Pat Narduzzi..... well, I'd say we have enough information to confirm that Mark Dantonio is the man driving that program to success. This season isn't over, and the program is far from doomed. 2018 will see Michigan return a strong contingent of young, talented players. Jim Harbaugh can keep this program on the same upward trajectory he's been able to provide at every other one of his coaching stops. Take a chill pill on declaring anything "unacceptable" for now. While, MSU handing Michigan their first loss of the season is far from ideal, I'd be pretty surprised if this team doesn't find a way to bounce back and redeem themselves in some fashion this season.

JeremyB

October 9th, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^

It is not “dirt stupid” to be disproportionately upset that we can’t get it up for rivalries. Does OSU only worship Tressel because he won a MNC in 2002?

MSU bested the spread by double digits in their last 3 games vs Michigan, but let’s keep waiting patiently. We’re 4-17 vs. MSU & OSU since this year’s recruits started playing competitive football, so 5-16 wouldn’t have been much different, guys. Underperforming and getting outcoached in rivalries is in the DNA of the program now, but just hang on, guys. I’m sure we’ll pass out of the Pepcat formation soon.

ijohnb

October 9th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

that was a ridiculous thing to say in that column.  Both this game column and the game preview have not made a whole lot of sense to me.  In the preview he said the "desperate need to win" this game level was a 10 but that a win would cause him to "shrug."  That doesn't seem to add up either.  I usually love the writing here but the blog has seen better weeks than MSU week 2017.

ijohnb

October 9th, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^

agree with this completely.  The way most of this blog treats MSU is to 1) dismiss that the game as meaningful than others before hand because God forbid that they are a rival and 2) talk about how it would have been different if ________ had happened which is like the least relevant conversation ever.   So, the running narrative is not that we are 1-4 to OSU and MSU but that we should be 4-1 so it's good.  OK, got it.

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You Only Live Twice

October 9th, 2017 at 2:12 PM ^

I don't want to be mean but saying the same thing over and over...multiple posts in multiple threads..... are you not getting tired of repeating yourself?

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mgogogadget

October 9th, 2017 at 5:08 PM ^

We're just trying to keep you and yours from yelling so much about things you can't control.... it's getting a little loud in here. This isn't completely directed at you, because you're a good poster and shouldn't be lumped in with the Maizens of the world. Michigan does have a terrible record against their rivals over the last two decades, and more importantly, since Harbaugh took over. Nobody is denying that, just trying to provide some perfectly reasonable context to the "totally dominated" narrative that some would suggest has been, and for no reason in particular, might continue to be. Why do people resort to anger... or hang on to said anger when they should have long since graduated to another stage in the grieving process? Do they truly believe the proverbial sky is falling? That's what it sounds like, so forgive the rest of us for raising an eyebrow at some of the indignant ramblings about the failures of the football team that you, I, and most of the board love and root for. Even if you don't agree, wouldn't you prefer to focus on the positives and try to remain calm and optimistic? I just don't get the vitriol...

ijohnb

October 10th, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^

not vitriol, really it isn't.  In fact, I kind of see my perspective as the reasonable one.  I agree with you that there are different kinds of angry reaction to this loss, but my perspective has been more of a reaction of shock about how soft most of this fanbase is in the wake of this loss. 

The stages of "rivalry avoidance" with State has gone from true, to kind of tongue in cheek, to kind of weird, and now it is outright embarassing and non-sensical.  What most people on here desperate want is for State to be blasted back to complete irrelevance, I am not sure why that is so important, but it seems to be.  The reaction you are seeing from most is due to the fact that we did not just lose a game to State but also the ability to claim supreme domination over them.  People have lost the ability to claim that MSU competitiveness with Michigan was not circumstantial, but really is here to stay.

Personally, to me, this loss sucked but it sucked because now we again find ourselves in a situation where we need things from other teams to reach our goals on the season.  I would have liked a little bit more time with a team that controlled its own destiny.  On the flip side, this loss happenned early enough in the season that State has a lot more season to play.  The two biggest games of this weekend for me are the Michigan game and the MSU game v. Minnesota.  You know that weird-fluky-smh MSU stuff is going to get them one more game they shouldn't win this year, so we need them to lose one they should win.

This particular loss was as painful as it was because it was a very winnable game.  I knew this team was not ready for primetime, but I thought they could scrap together enough to get the hell out of this game with a win and try to get somethings corrected by the time the meat of the schedule arrives.  Now we no margin for error with an offense that has a lot of error to correct.

BursleyBaitsBus

October 9th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^

This trend of Harbaugh teams choking in close games is starting to make me think that we have our own John Cooper. 

 

The amount of excuses being made for this is plain ridiculous coming from Brian and people on here. 

 

I think the losing has just made people complacent. People no longer care that Michigan is a second tier program. 

 

Sad. 

evenyoubrutus

October 9th, 2017 at 3:01 PM ^

I think you're taking that line slightly out of context. This fanbase (and probably many others) has a tendency to throw stats like that around as if it's a predictor of future results. People calling Harbaugh the next John Cooper or saying he can't coach rivalry games when he's 5 games into his third year at a program he has to, YES, rebuild from the ground up, are being a bit premature.

caup

October 9th, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^

Bush GOT BACK before the snap!  That was a blown call by the refs.  Hurst got  TFL on that play.  It should have been a 3 and out, giving us more time for our final drive.

Michiganfaninb…

October 9th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^

Needs to touch the ball a lot more. He needs 20 touches between carries and receptions. He is the only explosive player on that side of the ball right now. Also would love to see him returning kickoffs

stephenrjking

October 9th, 2017 at 1:05 PM ^

I agree with more passes to Evans. However, he isn't appreciably better than the alternatives when running the ball. He's pretty good at finding a hole, but not great at shaking off contact or gaining extra yards. He's fast but not quite fast enough to get through a space before the defender can get there, shifty but not quite shifty enough to juke a guy so badly that the guy can't touch him. 

It's not that he's bad. He's fine. But he's more Clarence Williams than Reggie Bush. 

Champeen

October 9th, 2017 at 12:31 PM ^

I actually think O'Korn did 'OK' 

There were a few replays that the camera angle allowed you to see the entire field with WR's patterns, and EVERY time the WR's found an MSU defender, and just stopped right there.  O'Korn literally had nowhere to throw.  This combined with our bad OLine play (bad is being nice) and man, O'Korn is the QB and they always take the blame, but really, outside of Tom Brady, there is not a QB that could do anything with this blocking and these WR's.

Our offense is just fucked.

MI Expat NY

October 9th, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^

There was one particularly brutal example of this.  All four receivers run their routes, and aren't open.  O'Korn is backpedaling a bit in the pocket trying to find someone, and literally nobody is moving anymore.  O'Korn is forced to eat it.  Knocks us out of marginal fg range.

caup

October 9th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^

there are WIDE OPEN checkdowns that JOK simply has to go to, given the fact that his inital read is well covered.

McKeon was uncovered in the left flat on the first INT.

Evans was uncovered in the middle on the second INT.

Acres of open turf in front of both guys. Damn it, take what the defense gives you!

Yo_Blue

October 9th, 2017 at 12:52 PM ^

In no way does Harbaugh teach to not go to a checkdown.  That's just stupid an JH isn't a stupid man.  The problem is not going to the checkdown soon enough.  Whether the play requires too much time for the WRs to get open or what, both QBs are waiting too long to checkdown or get out of Dodge.  Neither has a good internal clock.