Question of the week
Soooooo do you give Peters a shot or do you roll with O'Korn again and chalk up Saturdays game as simply a bad game? Obviosuly everything is earned in practice but just curious given the JO that showed up Saturday looked like the one from the Inidana game last year
October 9th, 2017 at 11:37 AM ^
I say stick with JOK, but if you cant play in the elements, you shouldnt come to the Big Ten.
October 9th, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
In 2015, OSU lost to MSU 17-14 in a game that had bad conditions -- not as bad as last Saturday (mostly drizzle), but pretty awful b/c of the wind.
Urban Meyer, for some reason, tried to continually pass and go deep against the Spartans and it didn't work (sound familiar?)-- and that was with top-notch receivers and a better QB than we have. What he should have done, and what you *need* in the B1G, is ride a very good OL (with numerous NFL players) and world-class back (Elliott) and pound out a 20-10 win. Instead, Elliott got only 11 carries.
UM needs a very good (or at the very least, competent) offensive line. That allows you to play in any weather. And, obviously, we are far from that right now (and have been for most of the last decade).
October 9th, 2017 at 1:26 PM ^
I agree that the elements are a part of the Big Ten but let's establish if O'Korn is a competent QB in normal conditions, then we can adjust the game plan for the weather. We know he is terrible in high wind / rain / snow but if he is terrible in rain or shine, then we know we're screwed either way.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
Yeah, I'm thinking that maybe O'Korn is the Wicked Quarterback of the West: he melts in the rain, but keep him dry and he's okay.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
Sure could use Shane Morris.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
Seriously? He's completing 56% of his passes with 11 TDs and 9 Ints. He's the same Shane Morris.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
But that offense was tailor made to use his skillz.
(I'm still hoping he does well)
October 9th, 2017 at 9:17 PM ^
who is probably the worst P5 team. 28/37 467 yards, 5 TDS, 0 INTs. He's been poor otherwise. I'm glad he's getting a chance to start, but yes, he's still the same Shane Morris
October 9th, 2017 at 10:35 AM ^
Shane Morris has thrown 8 interceptions in his last 4 games. His QBR is 40.4 against mostly dogshit competition.
We could not use him.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:31 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
1) Bad OL
2) inexperienced WRs that don't block, run routes, or catch the ball anywhere near well enough - this is probably the biggest drop off from last year
3) RBs that have each fumbled
4) lack of creativity in playcalling
5) at least 2-3x per game a bad decision or bad throw from a QB
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October 9th, 2017 at 10:16 AM ^
I just don't get why we can't run some random hb screens or just go five wide and fire some quick slants that don't need extended OL protection.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^
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October 9th, 2017 at 11:35 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:24 AM ^
I believe we tried one or two HB screens. I vividly remember one where O'Korn had to throw it in the dirt because it was blown up.
Edit: Also want to add that I think the coaches are afraid of throwing slants because our WR can't catch the damn ball. How many slants get tipped and intercepted? We're in a rough spot offensively and it mostly comes down to lack of trust. We don't trust the QB to make throws, we don't trust the WR to catch, we don't trust the OL to protect. It's a hot mess.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:26 AM ^
Yep. We also tried the offset draw which is almost always good for a chunk of yards and it got blown up in the backfield.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:32 AM ^
That was probably the absolute worst play call of the game, at the most inopportune time for it! That was just awful...
October 9th, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^
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October 9th, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:54 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^
High school teams run it all the time against high school DBs. In college, unless the DBs have reason to fear a double move (e.g., sluggo), an "all slants" offense goes like this: 3 yards, incomplete, 5 yards, 3 yards, pick 6. Eventually the defense is going to tell the DB to jump the slant route and rely on the safety to make the tackle if the DB misses. And if the DB doesn't miss, it's clear sailing to the end zone.
Google suggests there are about 14,000 high school football teams in the USA. There are 129 Division I-A college football teams. Even if you assume that the average college team is 2x the size of the average high school team, that still means that even the members of MSU's much-maligned secondary were in the top 2% coming out of high school.
Also, in response to the original point -- Michigan did go 5-wide. In fact, they used quite a few empty sets. One of the interceptions was from an empty set on 3rd and 3 in a collapsing pocket in the driving rain.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:26 AM ^
If you know you have weaknesses you call plays to lessen the burden on the OL. Instead whoever is calling the plays does the opposite. Recievers running 25 yard routes when the defense shows blitz. No hot routes, no slants. The great play by O'Korn against Purdue when he slipped two sacks and hit Perry was a miracle. The play call at your own 8 was atrocious, every other receiver was running a 20+ yard route and not close to getting open.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^
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October 9th, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:14 AM ^
there's no point. The o-line is a dumpster fire and the playcalling is terrible. Drevno still thinks it's against the law to involve the RBs in the passing game.
Let's throw another fade to McDoom instead of one of our giants. That will be awesome.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
breaks down. Wouldn't it be great to flip it to Evans or Higdon or Hill and let them do somwething with it instead of getting sacked? Or how about throwing the the ball out of bounds when you are about to get sacked? Coaching is horrible.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:30 AM ^
I watched the game with my buddy who played QB at St. Francis. Not D1, but he led his team to multiple national championship games. The entire game on Saturday night he was yelling "why is there never a fucking checkdown option in this offense!". Multiple times he noticed that every WR/TE was 12 yards or more downfield. Never a safety valve for O'Korn.
It's utterly ridiculous that this simple thing escapes this coaching staff. Piss poor job coaching the offense this year.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:33 AM ^
Because the RBs are too busy trying to decide which free man they're going to attempt to block and fail.
It can't hurt to let the RBs go out as a check down. Its not like they're helping in pass protection anyways.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
A fade to McDoom, no one will see that coming. Drevno, you're a genius!
October 9th, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
Jet Sweep. He would get the ball and run into his own OL getting pushed back into the backfield. How about once fake it to McDoom and pitch it to Evans going the other way?
October 9th, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^
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October 9th, 2017 at 10:16 AM ^
If Peters was better than JOK (or Speight) he would be starting already. I want to see the team win. If JOK gives them a better shot I'm riding with him.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
And destroy his confidence before he has a chance to gain any?
October 9th, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^
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October 9th, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^
Why ruin the kid, like we did Devin Gardner, by throwing him out there?
October 9th, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
I can't see burning Mccaffrey's redshirt on this turd of a season. We either roll with JOK the rest of the year or risk ruining Peters's confidence by getting him crushed behind this terrible O line. Either option doesn't have the brightest of outlooks but it is what it is at this point.
I am in the boat of let JOK go 2 more games (don't want to start a brand new QB in happy valley at night) and if he can't get it done start building towards the future and put Peters in. I REALLY don't want to start next year with once again a brand new QB, would be nice to at least get some game reps for whoever will be starting.
October 9th, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^
I think O'Korn can be the guy, but if the first half at Indiana does not show that then better get Peters some reps before PSU.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
It's pretty clear the majority of you have never played organized team sports. If my coach pulled that shit I would check out. Give me the best shot to win. If you lose, you lose.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:57 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:09 PM ^
So I'm intrigued about this. As a coach, did you ever sit a kid whom you deemed to be the most game-ready, in order to develop another kid for the following year?