Worst OT: Tax Day

Submitted by UMProud on

Well today is the day tax returns are due...how did you do this year?

 

Unexpectedly I owed several grand and am very unhappy.

 

LSAClassOf2000

April 18th, 2017 at 8:54 PM ^

Most years, I owe at least a little to both the feds and the state of Michigan - usually no more than a couple hundred in each case. My problem is that I am a procrastinator since I typically don't manage to file my returns until the first week of April. Part of that for me is that I have side things going on in addition to my day job, so the returns get a little....weird, I guess. 

drjaws

April 18th, 2017 at 8:55 PM ^

Owed a fuck ton. Paid it. Don't wanna talk about it anymore. My brothers ex makes more a year off her returns than she does a job. She is single with like 8 kids. His two kids with her live with him. Fuck you IRS. How does that bitch make $10,000 a year from the gov't by paying in $890? Ridiculous.

In reply to by Joseph_P_Freshwater

drjaws

April 18th, 2017 at 10:49 PM ^

given the "no politics" rule on this blog, I wasn't going to go into the finite details of the House, or occasionally the President, putting forth bills that Congress either passes or nixes, and how that change affects my overall tax rate as well as my personal view of US Federal tax codes, because it would be a chore to do so without some semblance of politics making it's way into the post. Also, it would take way longer and be less interesting to read (more like a civics lesson instead of an anonymous internet post). However, I'll try to adhere to your standards of presenting purely factual information in an asinine rant, as I am sure you hold yourself to the same standard in your posts. Genius.

bluesalt

April 18th, 2017 at 11:00 PM ^

With 80k employees, many people have worked for them or have a close family member that does or has. My wife currently does, and it's a natural defense mechanism when someone tries to blame the IRS for a stupid tax rule to point the finger at Congress, who actually does. There are enough people in this country that actually think the IRS does these things that the reflective correction is often necessary.

xtramelanin

April 18th, 2017 at 10:42 PM ^

is somewhat true, though i can't vouch for the numbers.   google tells me this:

For tax year 2013, the maximum EITC benefit for a single person or couple filing without qualifying children is $487. The maximum EITC with one qualifying child is $3,250, with two children, it is $5,372, and with three or more qualifying children, it is $6,044.[3][4][5]These amounts are indexed annually for inflation. On December 4, 2014, The Atlantic reported that the EITC will reduce revenue to the federal government by about $70 billion in 2015.[6]

it is for 'modest' income workers and in effect is a fairly large yearly one-time welfare payment to people who didn't pay anywhere near that amount in taxes.   EITC is a bit of a misnomer.  

bronxblue

April 18th, 2017 at 10:52 PM ^

No, I get how the EITC works here. I just don't know how you can get more money back than what you make in a year. I'm not a tax agent, but the government doesn't usually give you a surplus check from credits; it just reduces your taxable income.

mgowake

April 19th, 2017 at 1:20 AM ^

Deductions reduce taxable income. if you itemize you essentially get a rebate of whatever bracket you're in at the top marginal rate. I'm somewhat simplifying since the are limitations. credits are better because they just essentially add a dollar to whatever refund you'll receive regardless if you itemize or not which most lower income people do not. sign me up for some credits!

Tuebor

April 19th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^

That is where you are wrong. There are two types of tax credits, refundable and non refundable.

 

Refundable tax credits are treated as a payment and if the total amount of refundable credits is greater than your tax liability it will result in the IRS making a payment to you.

 

Non refundable tax credits can only reduce your tax liability down to nothing. 

bronxblue

April 19th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^

I didn't realize that with the child credit.  I assumed in this context you only reduce income from the credit.  I stand corrected.

I still find it hard to believe a person with 8 kids makes less than $10k a year, unless the IRS handles alimony, child support, etc differently.

stephenrjking

April 18th, 2017 at 8:58 PM ^

I have four kids under 17 and I don't make a lot of money, so I never owe and I send mine in pretty early. Usually. This year I procrastinated on my state taxes for no reason, but those are now in as well. I use Taxslayer (because they had cheap efile options) and now that I've used it for a couple of years it's a cinch to do. I feel like it's too easy when I'm finished, a sharp contrast from when I was filling out my 1040s by hand.

MonkeyMan

April 18th, 2017 at 8:58 PM ^

Our national tax system is a disgrace- no other nation makes it so complicated and filled with special interest givaways. Taxes should be simple- not stealthy

M-Dog

April 18th, 2017 at 9:07 PM ^

See my post above.

They could make it a lot simpler in relation to what a tax code is actually supposed to do - provide for govt income while still maintaining economic growth - but that's not what they are trying to accomplish at all.  And so the current tax code looks like the spaghetti mess it is.  On purpose.

 

Rabbit21

April 19th, 2017 at 10:35 AM ^

Agreed it's officially sanctioned patronage and a big reason why tax reform is going to be so difficult. Everyone wants their special breaks maintained even if, under a simpler system their liabilities would be the same. As always, like with health care, it is much easier to deal with the devil you know when it comes to something this deeply personal. A new system might be better, but change is scary and all you have to do is find the one person screwed by the change and shout to the heavens about that poor person and everyone's security gland kicks in and demands that nothing gets changed.

MgoHillbilly

April 18th, 2017 at 9:07 PM ^

My sister-in-law works for the IRS and it's nauseating to hear the stories of her co-workers' gross incompetence on the job.  Amazing the jobs some people get and retain that don't deserve them.  I guess it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the knowledge that they are directly responsible for collecting the revenue that keeps them employed.

 

 

MMB 82

April 18th, 2017 at 9:14 PM ^

This year I received a substantial refund, and I am not happy about it. Usually I end up owing a small amount to fed and state. Made adjustments to withholding for this year.  Also, I am in a profession that is a big target for the "fake tax return to collect a refund" fraud scheme, another reason to file early.

lhglrkwg

April 18th, 2017 at 9:18 PM ^

might be time to hire an actual accountant because I'm giving the government a substantial interest free loan. Clearly I'm a crappy accountant

EJG

April 18th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^

I probably purchased a couple of cruise missiles today.

Our tax system sucks.  Our tax dollars are mostly wasted.  But, opportunity to earn more, give more, and watch more wasted abounds.  

God Bless the USA!

Sopwith

April 18th, 2017 at 9:30 PM ^

They should call it "Bitch about First World Problems Day."

I TurboTax it in about two hours the first week of March or so every year. It should be easier, but that's the price of letting lobbyists write the tax code. If people actually wanted a simpler code, they would vote that way. They don't.

I'm fine with funding air traffic control and roads and schools and keeping disabled people from going homeless. Not thrilled about all the Joint-Strike Fighters and security for every weekend in Mar-e-Lago and whatnot but we don't get line-item vetoes, so whatevs. I've spent time in countries with minimal government. They are not good places to live.

M-Dog

April 18th, 2017 at 9:46 PM ^

Thsy are smart.  They spread the construction and maintenance across hundreds of congressional districts so that no congressman / woman ever wants to say no.

It's very hard to kill a runaway program.  Even ones the military does not actually even want.

Craptain Crunch

April 18th, 2017 at 10:06 PM ^

Presidents travel. Some more than others. Some just to play golf on the tax payers dime. It's always interesting to see how some complain about what one Presidents does but never about the President they voted for. The bottom line is both parties are whores and want to abuse the tax payer. It's time for another revolt. 

Craptain Crunch

April 19th, 2017 at 6:26 AM ^

President Trump is receiving a salary. He donates the money. He donated to the National Park Services. A president also receives many perks on the tax payers' dime. 

But what is sad is that everyone is focused on the PResident and not the bloated government that has over regulated, over taxed and over indulged since 30's. 

 

It's a behemoth that needs a serious restructuring. 

xtramelanin

April 18th, 2017 at 10:35 PM ^

goes to welfare programs we call medicare, medicaid, social security, fed gov't workers, etc.  not saying it's all bad, just saying the military isn't what's blowing the biggest hole in the budget.  this is not a political post either, just an informational one.  

Sopwith

April 19th, 2017 at 11:52 AM ^

Non-defense discretionary spending, in other words, all the things people think of when they think of federal workers actual doing things via the agencies besides the Pentagon, is 16% of the federal budget. The Pentagon's budget is 50% of discretionary (non-interest, non-entitlement) spending. 

Source: http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-non-defense-discretionary-pr…