HAIL-YEA

December 21st, 2016 at 10:50 AM ^

How is pulling a scholarship from a kid who has just finshed her freshman season in college similar to pulling an offer from a kid in high school?  Swenson went to Oklahoma, he was not some poor kid that got screwed over.

As for Warde Manuel and his defenders, we don't know what his reactions were to really any of the things that have happened lately. What we do know is he screwed up pretty big with the ND scheduling, and officails have been screwing Harbaugh over all year under his watch. It is obvious the refs have been trying to put Harbaugh in his place since he came to UM, I don't know if the AD is doing anything behind the scenes but if they are it's not working.

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Reader71

December 21st, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^

They're similar because the motivations are similar. Get rid of the kid we have now because we might be able to get a better one. Kicking this girl off a team she is already on is much worse. But the motivations are similarly cutthroat. And yeah, I have no idea how much blame Warde gets for this. But he is the boss, so even if he didn't have anything to do with it, it happened in his department.

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Wolverheel

December 21st, 2016 at 2:30 AM ^

Article barely mentions Manuel and it's pretty much just a side mention. While it's true that he was named in the suit, it's pretty clearly the coach who made this decision and her quotes reflect that. It also sounds like the associate athletic director was the one in charge of handling stuff like this. To title this thread in a way that makes it seem like Manuel is the main target is simply misleading...

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Wolverheel

December 21st, 2016 at 2:37 AM ^

Like I definitely think it's terrible that her scholarship was pulled for this (Although I don't think it's a gender thing like some people are trying to say, just an issue with revenue sports bias. I think a the same thing would've happened in the exact same situation but men's soccer), but after reading the article my opinion of Warde Manuel has not gotten any worse.

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Blueblood2991

December 21st, 2016 at 2:48 AM ^

I agree with you for the most part, and will wait for both sides to come out. However, it is concerning. Warde was the AD and oversaw the coach and associate AD. He could've done something. It ultimately falls on him, whether it's fair or not.

As we all know, Don Canham used to say never turn a one-day story into a two-day story. What should've been a one-day story is now rearing its ugly head two years later.

 

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Wolverheel

December 21st, 2016 at 2:52 AM ^

It could be, but what I gathered from the article and quotes make it sound like the coach pulled it and threatened her with further repercussions of some kind to not appeal to anyone else, preventing it from even getting to Manuel. I have issues with Warde also from other things, but this is not one of them as of right now. I agree about waiting for both sides to get a chance to talk before making concrete assertions though.

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San Diego Mick

December 21st, 2016 at 2:34 AM ^

From the start of his tenure he has said and done things that I have questioned, like the night game thing.

I wish he would have made a public comment about the inequity of the officials in the OSU game, why were there Ohio refs who were OSU fans reffing that game.

Not sure about this situation, I'm more concerned about how he handles the AD job here.

But I gotta say, I'm not impressed with the guy at all thus far.

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BoCanHam15

December 21st, 2016 at 6:51 AM ^

Blaze that makes sense; if our athletic department was actually given the correct information. We are to assume, that they told Warde. Three referees are from Ohino. One of the referees was fired before, for incompetency. The other ref is a self-professed, Ohino fan. Lastly, the other ref is an Ohino, hall-of-famer. So, do you all have any qualms with that? Seriously?



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MGoBender

December 21st, 2016 at 8:39 AM ^

It's not the AD's job to vet the Big Ten's officiating assignments.  Especially not in public.  Now, Warde might have placed a phone call to the officiating office and inquired about the selection process in private, or something to that effect.  Who knows.  But, if you're looking for a puiblic lambasting by Warde, you're way off base.

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The Fan in Fargo

December 21st, 2016 at 7:56 AM ^

LMAO! Start out on Monday in the press conference before OSU, ND and MSU games telling the public that we might as well get this out of the way right off the bat. We know the refs are going to fuck us this game so why not deal with it right now!

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HateSparty

December 21st, 2016 at 5:20 AM ^

I agree Mick. I was hoping for less Brandon (check) but was expecting him to be a vocal and present guardian of the team I love. The refs at OSU, the summer satellite camps, the constant media swipes at Harbaugh, etc. I know some here say Harbaugh probably says to stay out of it, etc. The AD should be in it to take the attention regarding the issue off the coach. It is referred to as advocating for.



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HateSparty

December 21st, 2016 at 6:24 AM ^

I would suggest no other school is under comparable scrutiny. Search the response to over singing by SEC ADs. Name another school that has had rules created to stop their coach's actions. There really is a unique treatment of Harbaugh. The AD should, IMO, be out publicly supporting him.



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jabberwock

December 21st, 2016 at 10:42 AM ^

One thing i truly despised about Dave Brandon was the way he strutted around every sporting event like he was some glorified NFL owner.  

I think it's important to support every team & showing up as an AD or a fan is fine,
but somehow he just seemed to add an element of pompus slime every time he did it.
Add in the other meddling we've heard about & it only makes it worse.

I would never want Warde to act like that, but i think there's a middle ground that can be reached by having the AD show some public support, make a statement, yet keep all the discussions private & the backroom deals where they belong.

100% silence from the AD's office is just going to create a vaccum that either speaks for itself, or begs for speculation & assumptions that are more often than not false.

I don't think Warde has acheived that balance just yet, but I hope he does.  
additionally, as much as I love Jim Harbaugh, working with him cannot be an easy task.

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Sopwith

December 21st, 2016 at 2:34 AM ^

If there's any justice in the world, the jury should come in post-deliberation, and when the judge asks "Have you reached a verdict?" they all stand and give the UConn table the double finger.

Really not sure what to make of our AD and not clear to what extent he was involved in the decision making in this case.

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drzoidburg

December 21st, 2016 at 7:58 AM ^

It's not just active decision making but culpability in that he *should* have interceded on her behalf. He was the boss, after all. Not giving a shit about a non revenue sport isn't an excuse, when it can throw her life in chaos

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Wolverheel

December 21st, 2016 at 2:50 AM ^

Yeah he did say that. And then her coach pulled her scholarship and threatened her with further repercussions if she appealed (which I'm guessing would be appealing to someone like Manuel). Just going by her quotes it appears he had absolutely no role in actually pulling her scholarship.

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Wolverheel

December 21st, 2016 at 2:56 AM ^

And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised for an associate athletic director or someone lower down to handle discipline for non revenue sports players. I'm not sure how the system works but it just seems like a possibility that should be considered before talking about how bad it makes him look.

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MGoBender

December 21st, 2016 at 8:43 AM ^

Technically, we don't even know if Warde said that.  The player is alleging he said that he had no intention of pulling the scholarship.  Let's assume he did say it.  Would it surprise anyone if the very next sentence out of his mouth was "However, I ultimately leave scholarship decisions up to my coaches."

Also, lets not forget that scholarships are 1-year agreements, not 4-year agreements.

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Leaders And Best

December 21st, 2016 at 2:50 AM ^

I see a lot of people writing this, but the most we can draw from this at this point was that he didn't intervene to stop her coach. We have no idea how involved he was in this, but it doesn't sound like much seeing he is barely mentioned in the lawsuit. How much did she actually communicate with him? How much did this soccer coach keep him in the loop? If he didn't know much about what was going on, I think at most you could say he and the AD was negligent.

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FrankMurphy

December 21st, 2016 at 3:00 AM ^

This doesn't seem like the kind of decision that would have come from an athletic director. At worst, Manuel failed to intervene on the kid's behalf and overrule the coach when the coach informed him that he was pulling her scholarship.

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bacon

December 21st, 2016 at 3:33 AM ^

The article seems pretty biased in her favor. I'm guessing there's more to the story than her just flipping the bird. Regardless, it's unclear how much Manuel was involved in the decision to revoke her scholarship. He did meet with her, which to me means the AD took this incident very seriously. It seems unlikely that an athletic director would meet with players over disciplinary issues unless they were at a point where the scholarship was in jeopardy.

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BlueCube

December 21st, 2016 at 6:15 AM ^

There's barely a mention of Warde Manuel and no mention of his ties to the decision. Your obvious dislike for Manuel is obvious.

This is one side of the story and she even references turning her game around. We have no idea why her scholarship was pulled.

This is a terrible thread.

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