OT. P.J. Fleck looks like he's staying at least another year
Tony Paul from the News is reporting that PJ Fleck is working on a new contract at Western. I'm pretty surprised Fleck didn't get more of a look, especially from Oregon, but it does look like he's taking the Tom Herman wait and see what's available route, rather than jumping at the first job (Herman turned down South Carolina last year).
Maybe like Herman, his star may somewhat diminish next year, because the Broncos' noncon is much more difficult in 2017. They open at USC and then get the Spartans in EL in week 3. Otherwise, they get FCS Wagner and Idaho, which did go to a bowl this year.
Now, his recruiting has been such that he's likely to murder the MAC, but it does look like he may be waiting for a gig in the midwest, like maybe one about an hour due south from Kalamazoo in NW Indiana.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^
Sorry to be that guy but you have a typeo. It's spelled Sparty.
December 9th, 2016 at 9:38 AM ^
I chuckled.
December 8th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^
No offense intended but maybe no big programs are taking a shot at him because the hit rate on hiring "Hot MAC Coach of the Year" has got to be below 10%. What great coaches have come from the MAC recently? Urban Meyer? Brian Kelly I guess?
December 8th, 2016 at 1:58 PM ^
And both had to ply their trade elsewhere in between the MAC and a power program.
December 8th, 2016 at 5:43 PM ^
Isn't the hit rate on hiring coaches from anywhere below 20%?
December 8th, 2016 at 1:38 PM ^
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December 8th, 2016 at 1:46 PM ^
And then if the rumors are true, he will have to suffer for the next nine years making only $27,000,000.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:21 PM ^
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December 8th, 2016 at 8:44 PM ^
Which is pretty fucking stupid for a public directional school. Even if WMU rallies its vaunted donor warchest.
December 8th, 2016 at 1:38 PM ^
Indiana. They did just go ahead and make their DC the head coach after firing Wilson, skipping the Interim tag. But Fleck and the Hoosiers seem like a good fit.
WMU will struggle against MSU without Terrell and Davis, but they do have some other talented receivers if T. Flacco is any good so you never know.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
What's the difference? They're both Big Ten programs in Indiana. IU is a little better at the moment (though still mediocre) but Purdue has the advantage of being in the weaker division.
December 8th, 2016 at 1:38 PM ^
their contracts and not let their coaches leave. Maybe the optics are bad but unless the coach has an opt-out clause or buyout clause then they would be stuck coaching at the school until their contract ends.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:04 PM ^
You're talking about specific performance. Generally speaking, the remedy for breach of contract for services will be monetary unless the contract specifies otherwise. So, the presumption is the opposite of what you suggest, the coach doesn't need a buyout clause, the school needs a specific performance clause or a noncompete clause in the contract. Noncompete clauses are disfavored by courts and will be limited as contrary to public policy even if the specific terms are broadly written.
In any case, specific performance is generally undesireable because unhappy employees tend to give less than their best performance.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Specific+Performance
December 8th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^
Not a bad deal to stay put. WMU is offering him a cool $30 million over the next 10 years. A frickin' MAC school. Offering frickin' $30 million. Even over 10 years, that puts him in some pretty good company, salary-wise. There's a lot of good P5 schools with better programs that are paying their coaches less than that. Nebraska and Wisconsin are two examples.
Unless he gets the itch to go compete for a national title, which let's be honest, one day he will, WMU is offering him everything he wants. Great money, competes for conference championships year in and year out, probably the best program in the MAC right now, and little to no pressure whatsoever. If he falls back to the pack next year, no one cares.
His only problem is that a 10 year contract and whatever buy-out he has will scare a lot of programs away that otherwise might be interested in the coming years. And the NFL will want to see him coach at a good P5 school before any team ever takes a chance on him. If he signs that 10 year deal, and he sees some jobs in the next few years that he'd like, he may be out of luck.
December 8th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^
NE Indiana, rather than NW. But otherwise--interesting!
December 8th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^
December 8th, 2016 at 3:29 PM ^
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December 8th, 2016 at 2:05 PM ^
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December 8th, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^
There weren't many openings at P5 schools. Other than Texas, which got filled almost instantly by Herman, there was Oregon, Baylor and Purdue. Oregon is the only job worth leaving for. No reason to ruin your career at Baylor or Purdue if you've got a good thing going at Western Michigan.
If you take a non P5 job such as Cincinnati, you're probably going to have to wait at least 2-3 more years before the P5 schools come calling again. Might as well stick it out another year when next year, the following P5 jobs could open:
ACC:
Boston College
NC State
Notre Dame
Pac 12:
UCLA
Cal
Arizona
Arizona State
Big 12:
Texas Tech
B1G:
Indiana
Minnesota
SEC:
Tennessee
Missouri
Ole Miss
December 8th, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^
December 8th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^
It would be interesting if the Group of Five re-aligned themselves with the NCAA and left the CFP and NY6 to the Power 5. The P5 would basically just be the NFL minor leagues at that point, but whatever.
The Group of Five could be another "division" (they could use the old "1A" tag from back before 1A and 1AA were renamed FBS and FCS). They could have their own 8 or 16 team playoff instead of sending teams and fans off to Boise or Mobile or Boca Raton for a shitty bowl.
The Group of Five championship could be played alongside the same schedule as the NY6 bowls, either as one of the New Years Day bowls or on NYE. Or, the Saturday before the CFP championship game. It would be played in a rotating southern location like the CFP, using Tampa or Orlando or San Antonio, etc..
In this scenario, there were a lot of successful P5 teams that are going to match up against each other in crappy bowls anyway so why not have them play each other on the higher-seeded team's campus and have it actually mean something. WMU as the 1 seed along with Houston, WKU, Temple, Navy, USF, Memphis, San Diego State, Tulsa, Toledo, App State, Louisiana Tech, UCF, Wyoming, Boise State and Troy. Playoff istead of shit bowls.
This is where the Fleck $3 mil salary is unteneble. It's too much to justify coaching a program that will never have a shot at a national championship and probably will rarely if ever make NY6 bowl again. But is it also too much to pay a coach who could conceivably win multiple "NCAA division 1A championships"? Probably too much for that, too, as cool as that would be. So I don't know what WMU private donors would be going for here: Perennial bragging rights in the MAC plus an NY6 bowl every decade?
December 8th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^
It could be that Fleck has too much baggage and not a long enough track record for a P5 school right now.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
The guy is in his mid-thirties. In ten years, he will still be a youngish coach. If he keeps being remotely successful, opportunity will follow.
None of the jobs available really were a good fit for him. And he's about to get PAID. Not a bad deal.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^
I can't see him replicating another season like this one. I'm not sure if he'll be a "hotter" name then now. However, if he can at least keep a winning record for the next one or two seasons, he should have a decent shot to move up a level.
December 8th, 2016 at 3:18 PM ^
At the very, very least he will be the fallback guy that everyone keeps in mind in case their top choices turn them down. Look at Dan Mullen, still riding the Dak Prescott wave.
December 8th, 2016 at 2:49 PM ^
Northwest Indiana college town= Valparaiso,
South Bend is about North Central, Indiana as you can get
December 8th, 2016 at 3:01 PM ^
Huh? South Bend is right by the Michigan border.
West Lafayette would qualify more as north central Indiana.
December 8th, 2016 at 7:21 PM ^
?? Notre Dame is about 12 miles from the border if I recall.
You can take the train from Ann Arbor to Niles, MI, and it's practically a cab ride away.
December 8th, 2016 at 3:33 PM ^
I was under the impression none of the schools looking offered him. Did he turn down some?
December 8th, 2016 at 4:01 PM ^
What are the chances that he's waiting for MSU to open up?
December 8th, 2016 at 5:48 PM ^
I thought that was Narduzzi's when the MSU job opens up.
December 8th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^
...should be putting on the full court press.
December 8th, 2016 at 6:46 PM ^
In these coaching decisions, I always wonder how much the wife has to do with decisions of staying or where to go. I would say quite a lot.
Recall that Urban Meyer's wife loved their life when he was an assistant at Colorado State and wanted to live there permanently. They has an agreement that she could veto any job offer EXCEPT: Notre Dame, Ohio State...and Michigan.
Maybe Fleck's (new) wife is happy in Kalamazoo. Fleck likes to compete and coaching and I am sure he would like to compete at a "higher level", but maybe he is more into building a program to last and the community,
December 8th, 2016 at 7:01 PM ^
75 posts on this thread and no one has astutely observed that "Oakland is still in play".
We're really slipping, collectively ;)
December 8th, 2016 at 7:46 PM ^
Doesn't anyone here remember all the NFL people carefully explaining to us naive, foolish Michigan fans that there was no conceivable reason anyone would prefer college over the NFL? It's just possible that maybe Fleck thinks getting paid millions of dollars to be the beloved superstar coach of a successful team is more attractive than getting shit on for not winning at least 11 games or making the playoff or whatever other unreasonable standard a P5 team will have. Hell, he could coach at WMU for a decade and still take a P5 job whenever he wants as long as he consistently wins 9-10 games.