High School team forfeits due to size discrepancy

Submitted by UMfan21 on

As both an undersized Hs football player, and now a parent I found this interesting.  What is the collective MGOBlog take on this story?

I know, when I played, we always felt it was unfair going against the likes of the private schools who had 300 pound men that were recruited from around the area.  I got my butt handed to me plenty of times since I was a scrawny DE.  But, we played them.  Forfeiture was not an option.  Then again, concussions, etc were not much of a discussion when I played either.

Is this a valid concern by the parents, or is this something this kids should "suck up" and confront?

http://www.king5.com/sports/high-school/granite-falls-becomes-third-tea…

MikeMulligan

October 6th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^

I thought football was the last bastion for toughness for young men in America?

If you are too small, then dedicate your offseason to working in the weight room. Use a technique that is advantageous to your skill set. I played with a NT who was 5'4 135, granted he was all muscle and the quickest kid on the team, but he never backed down from the Class A lineman we played against, and he was very productive. HE used his quickness to his advantage and didnt let the big fellas lock onto him. He played 3 years on varsity an helped us make the playoffs twice.

Since when is quitting an option? Deal with it, either play or quit the team and let someone else play. What exactly are we teaching the children here? 

 

crg

October 6th, 2016 at 1:58 PM ^

Look up the actual history of that battle sometime (Battle of Sterling Bridge). The Scots had an incredible tactical advantage that let them annihilate a superior English army. Excellent outcome for them but difficult to repeat. Brains had more to do with victory than balls.

Venom7541

October 6th, 2016 at 2:05 PM ^

Weigh them down in mud and trap them in a choke point.

As a former marine and a lover of war history, mud is the worst condition to fight in to me. Been studying WW1 history lately and the muddy conditions where they fought was hell. So much mud that sometimes they would sink until they drowned.

bigike

October 6th, 2016 at 1:46 PM ^

The administration and coaching staff were fully committed to honoring the contract and playing the game. The players spoke up in unity and said they refused to play. The players reasoning was sound. Apparently they have a very small team in numbers and they are already on the cusp of not having the nessasary number of players to complete the season. The team fears that more injuries would force them to cancel the season. Seems reasonable to me.

bigike

October 6th, 2016 at 1:46 PM ^

The administration and coaching staff were fully committed to honoring the contract and playing the game. The players spoke up in unity and said they refused to play. The players reasoning was sound. Apparently they have a very small team in numbers and they are already on the cusp of not having the nessasary number of players to complete the season. The team fears that more injuries would force them to cancel the season. Seems reasonable to me.

Erik_in_Dayton

October 6th, 2016 at 1:48 PM ^

We were a very small public school going up against a Catholic school that recruited from all over our area. At some point, a game can become like Homer punching the fake Hamburglar.  It's pointless. 

I can say because of that game that I tackled a guy who went on to play tight end at Northwestern.  It was maybe my greatest athletic acomplishment!

 

 

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MGoStu

October 6th, 2016 at 2:20 PM ^

They're not great at football, they take plenty of ass kickings. I can sort of understand not wanting to jeorpadize the rest of their season by getting injured against a team they can't match up with physically.

I mean, I would want to play, but I'm pretty competitive and don't have much sense.

BlueWolverine02

October 6th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

i can kind of understand if there is a huge talent and size disparity, but not just size. my jr year our biggest guy was 210, I was a 170 DE. we played a team that probably averaged 270 across the OL. i think we beat them 28-3 or something. so I guess my solution is dont suck at football.

VictorValiant

October 6th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

Looking at the scores of the 3 games that Archbishop Murphy has played, they have outscored the opponents 170-0. Certainly there must be an intimidation factor.

Looking at the roster (http://www.am-hs.org/page.cfm?p=659&teamID=112) the offensive line is massive, but the rest doesn't seem that out of the ordinary. Not knowing the injury reports from the first 3 games, I would say the fear is only somewhat justfied.

Hail-Storm

October 6th, 2016 at 1:55 PM ^

growing up and was on both ends of curb stompings. I'm definitely not against lessons learned on both ends of that spectrum. However, there was never a safety concern.  I did play games where teams have taken cheap shots and it was a danger.  It really is not worth it to suffer a major injury in high school sports if it can be avoided. This isn't near the same as PSU taking the field goal type thing.  That is two teamsable to recruit similar type players with players getting major spotlight and scholarships.  

 

Carl Spackler

October 6th, 2016 at 1:58 PM ^

I remember being an undersized freshman and our freshman team had to "scrimmage" the varsity.  It was an absolute nightmare for every kid on the team.  

 

The only people who think against this are 1). people who were the big kids on the team and never faced a huge size disadvantage 2). people who never played HS tackle football.

 

 

UMfan21

October 6th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^

our school was known for wrestling. I tried out for the wrestling team to help me during football offseason. our coach believed in meritocracy. yes, it was by weight class, but I was getting destroyed every day by a 3 time all state (and later all American College wrestler). I found I just couldn't hack it.

BlueFish

October 6th, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^

http://www.king5.com/sports/high-school/football/archbishop-murphy-h-s-…

It's a 22-minute video; still watching it.  No summary yet, other than they're "disappointed."

EDIT (summary of press conference video):

  • Extolling academic and religious virtues of the HS
  • Seniors had losing record as freshmen
  • Players remain focused, used week of first cancelation to focus on studies
  • Player reps came to school for academics, not football
  • Team just wants to play football
  • Coach feels bad for the seniors, who are losing games of their final season
  • Audience questions are hard to make out, but one is about recruiting "perceptions"
  • Coach says the school's conference considered some "competitive balance" proposals in the offseason but chose not to implement them
  • After the first two forfeits, there was apparently an agreement among conference ADs not to forfeit any more games
  • Coach hopes rules are enacted to prevent short-notice forfeits
  • With more notice, team might've been able to find an alternative; opposing team was asked three weeks ago about their intentions and said nothing
  • Coach admits the likelihood of staying in the conference is low if this is what can be expected in the future

It sounds like Archbishop Murphy might need to consider joining a different conference or going the route of other elite HS football programs (Paramus, Don Bosco, Valor Christian, etc.), loading their schedule with similar programs (even if out-of-state).

ScruffyTheJanitor

October 6th, 2016 at 2:27 PM ^

who played for a really small high school in the 70s. His team only had like 30 players availible for any game. They were so bad they used to punt on third down just to surpise their opponents. 

bringthewood

October 6th, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^

Eons ago I played football in an Ann Arbor Junior High (to you youngsters that was 7th-9th grades). We were allowed to play tackle in 8th and 9th grade. We had 5 footbally teams - lightweight, two middleweight teams, light heavyweight and heavyweight.  As a middle weight we scrimaged the lightweights and even a dozen pounds made a difference. 

I know the heavyweights would have crushed us even if they only outweighed us by 30+ pounds. 

CoverZero

October 6th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^

Imagine being such a feared team that you just show up and the other team looks at you and quit.

I do not like what this school is doing.  It is teaching the kids to lay down and quit, rather than to face adversity. 

B1G_Fan

October 6th, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^

Never quit because of what might happen.. sometimes you're the foot and sometimes you're the ass but, you'll never know which until you start kicking

Rufus X

October 6th, 2016 at 2:44 PM ^

Hard to tell from the article, and I am reading between the lines a bit, but it sounds to me like the opposing coaches all got together and agreed to forfeit to the private school to draw attention to their complaint about recruiting and competition. Too much of a coincidence that three different teams independently decided to forfeit. Looking at the school districts' websites, Granite falls has about 600 students in the HS, and the private school as 525. Also you can actually look at Bishop Murphy's roster online.

These three teams probably got together and are using player safety, the hot-button issue of the day in HS football, as a PR wedge to get media attention for the private-public school football debate, which rages on.  Actually a pretty good strategy if you are into that sort of thing, and will probably be copied as a strategy in other areas of the country as well.

Credit812

October 6th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^

is scheduling wrong.

Why not have the smaller school teams like Granite Falls play the freshman or Junior varsity team from the Archbishop Murphy?  The Archbishop Murphy should be looking to get higher profile matchups for his varsity team if everyone in their conference is scared to play them this year.  It's not fair to the kids from either team to have them miss games, because the adults can't go the extra mile to find appropriate opponents for both teams.

Space Coyote

October 6th, 2016 at 3:55 PM ^

I've been on teams that kicked ass and been on teams that got their asses kicked. I've coached both as well. I went up against teams with way more talent and teams that looked like they picked the kids who got detention to field a team. There are lessons to be learned on both sides of this.

I know everyone is concerned about the injury aspect because of the size difference. There is something healthy about getting your ass handed to you in a fair and clean way. Getting pancake blocked after being driven back 10 yards puts things in perspective. It also teaches you something about yourself, your fortitude, and what you're going to do about it.

Probably the main reason I was actually good at sports and why I eventually went into coaching, is because every day of my life growing up I played sports against my older brother, who was much bigger than me. And we played very physical in everything. We played one on one tackle football, we played basketball which may as well have been no blood no foul, we played knee football, and pretty much every other sport we could play. And it forced me to actually have to use my brain, and think about how I did things, and improve myself and my ability to stay with him. I lost a lot. And when I won, you sure as hell bet it meant something. I learned a hell of a lot from getting my ass handed to me. I didn't quit and go read a book because I was afraid of being hurt. Getting hurt isn't the worst thing in the world.