Greg Schiano hits bicyclist with car
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:43 AM ^
The mere act of "riding as far to the right as practicable" per MCV 257.660a which can in fact be the middle of the lane in cases where the lane isn't large enough for a car to overtake a bicycle safely is not illegal, nor is any slowing of vehicles behind the bicycle.
September 23rd, 2016 at 11:42 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 6:31 PM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:08 PM ^
for such self-righteous foolishness. you don't practice criminal law, either, so that doesn't help your interpretive skills any.
September 24th, 2016 at 12:10 AM ^
...preside over a court of your own imagination? Reread the law and its standard interpretation:
If traveling below the normal speed of traffic, a cyclist must ride as close as practicable to the right‑hand curb or edge of the road, except…
If riding your bike below the posted speed limit, a cyclist is required to ride as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the road. (MCL 257.660a) However, this statute recognizes five (5) exceptions or situations where a cyclist need not ride as close to the right hand curb or edge of the road as practicable:
- When passing another bicycle or a vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
- When preparing to turn left.
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When conditions make the right hand edge of the roadway unsafe or unreasonably unsafe for bicycle users, including, but not limited to:
- Surface hazards (i.e., ruts in the pavement or potholes);
- An uneven roadway surface;
- Drain openings;
- Debris;
- Parked or moving vehicles or bicycles;
- Pedestrians;
- Animals;
- Other obstacles; or
- The lane is too narrow to permit a vehicle to safely overtake and pass a bicycle.
- When operating a bicycle in a lane in which traffic is turning right, but the cyclist intends to proceed straight through the intersection; and
- When riding on a one-way highway or street that has two (2) or more lanes. In this situation, the cyclist may also ride as close to the left curb or edge of the roadway as practicable.
September 24th, 2016 at 6:57 AM ^
and is a champ. we are both very sympathetic to bikers on the road (i'll be riding in about an hour) but don't be so stubborn. only in snowflake land does someone think that their handy-dandy internet guide trump actual experience and how that actual experience works out in court. a 12' wide lane is not 'too narrow' to pass a bicyclist. get over yourself and ride safely.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:01 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:07 AM ^
Your active dislike for bikers is a big part of what makes it dangerous. Maybe not as much as distracted driving, sure. But road rage really escalates what doesn't have to be a dangerous situation quickly.
September 23rd, 2016 at 6:33 PM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:29 AM ^
You are much more visible to a distracted driver riding in front of them in the road than trying to cram yourself to the side.
September 23rd, 2016 at 7:55 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 8:17 AM ^
I don't see where I'm being an "ass" towards cyclists. My point is that the roads were designed for cars, not bikes. Any collision between a bike and a car is not going to end well for the bike.
Should people be more careful around bikes? Sure. Should bike riders follow the same rules of the road as car drivers? Yes, but they seldom do, at least in my observations.
September 23rd, 2016 at 8:38 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 8:46 AM ^
But we didn't start paving roads until Henry Ford started cranking out millions of Model T's.
Roads are not designed for bikes, they're designed for cars. People have places to be, and you're in our way.
September 23rd, 2016 at 8:52 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:14 AM ^
But on this topic, I concur with him. The LAW says that cyclists are entitled to use the roads, sure; but the laws of PHYSICS say that cyclists are going to come up on the short end of the stick in a tangle with a 2-ton death mobile, whatever the public statues may mandate.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:25 AM ^
And I didn't think I was being an ass, but then that guy pissed me off. So fuck bicycle riders.
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:51 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
me to hate you. +1
September 23rd, 2016 at 12:06 PM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:51 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 4:51 PM ^
Then, sure, ban walking.
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:25 PM ^
got the short end of the stick.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:00 AM ^
you want about how roads are really for cars and cyclists should get off the roads.
But your opinion does not really matter becasue the law takes a different approach. On most roads the law gives cyclists the same legal right of access and use as cars.
So just follow the law. And thanks in advance.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:24 AM ^
I assure you that's not true.
September 23rd, 2016 at 7:46 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:25 AM ^
we could all say the same about those assholes who text and drive. Or ride tailgates. Or just generally drive like dicks. News flash - that covers about 90% of the drivers out there.
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:27 AM ^
Yeah fuck 'em, it's not like they're human or anything.
September 22nd, 2016 at 11:17 PM ^
He was on a bicycle yet thought he was operating a car. He pedaling slow in the middle of the lane. Then he turned onto a 4 lane road. I was behind him and signaled that I was changing lanes to pass him. So then the asshole doesn't even look as he now wants to change lanes and get in front of me. He swerved back into his lane once he saw me which prevented me from hitting him. It was like he was thinking " hey I'm operating an indestructable tank, nothing can hurt me" only the douchebag was on a 10 speed.
September 23rd, 2016 at 6:41 AM ^
I salute your use of another lane to pass. Too many drivers don't seem to realize that's an option. I've had people flat out raging about how slow I was going (sometimes actually above the speed limit) on a three lane road. Just use one of the other lanes dude.
And changing lanes without looking or signalling is dumb whether you're in a bike or on a car. That was a poor choice by the biker, no doubt about it.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:05 AM ^
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:19 AM ^
I will say, though, that there have been many instances where I was riding 25+ in a 30, and people still get pissed off sometimes. Cut me some fucking slack. Just be a compassionate human and realize you're powered by dinosaur juice.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:24 AM ^
this morning you saw a cyclist out there doing dumb things.
But do you get equally enraged when you see another car driver do dumb things? If you do, then good for you. You are a fair minded person.
Usually, however, I see the speeding, yellow light running, talking/texting on the phone while driving, U-turing over the double yellow line, car driver berating even law abiding cyclists.
September 22nd, 2016 at 11:29 PM ^
I bike (a lot), so can't and won't might light of this, especially since it mentions a head injury by the biker.
September 23rd, 2016 at 12:24 AM ^
Did Schiano witness the accident and not saying anything...again?
September 23rd, 2016 at 1:37 AM ^
I always observe the rules of the road. ALWAYS. I have no sympathy for assholes, whether they are riding or behind the wheel of a car.
I wear a helmet, and bright hi-visiblity kit (that Yellow/Green Fluoro color).
I ride very early in the morning, out on the road by 5:30-6:00 AM and finishing 50+ miles before 9 AM. Keeping to rural or side roads, avoiding major traffic thoroughfares if at all possible.
I ride in the bike lane, or stay over to the right side of the road. The only time I take a lane is when I have no other choice, or if I am going downhill at similar speeds. I respect cars, and assume they can't see me, ALWAYS.
Mantistoboggan, don't be a jerk.
September 23rd, 2016 at 5:59 AM ^
its just some of your road buddies that are
September 23rd, 2016 at 6:45 AM ^
Are unfortunately all many drivers see, even when looking at bikers who do ride responsibly.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:17 AM ^
I think what makes people so upset is that we are always in a damn hurry to get somewhere. Encountering a cyclist (whether riding responsibly or not) inevitably causes some sort of delay in the car's trip. Usually, that delay is no more than 30 seconds. But that feels like an eternity and people get pissed.
Take a deep breath - you'll get where you need to go. Remember that the person on the bicycle is a person, has a family waiting for him/her. Seriously, it will be okay.
For whatever it's worth, I've found that, in my area, the vast majority of drivers are very courteous to me when I'm cycling. And, I do them the "courtesy" of following the rules of the road.
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:24 AM ^
Drivers in Ann Arbor are way more reasonable than those in Denver. It's one reason I am glad to be back. Definitely see some little deserved rage on Stadium sometimes, but in general the road design is better, and the road rage is better managed.
September 23rd, 2016 at 6:56 AM ^
Serious question - why do bikers not use sidewalks when they are available? That little tiny bike lane on the road seems very dangerous. I don't like driving by bikers that are in that bike lane as there is often very little room between my car and their bike. Seems like a subtle swerve by either the car or the biker could result in a wreck.
September 23rd, 2016 at 7:19 AM ^
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September 23rd, 2016 at 9:48 AM ^
Plus, it's illegal most places (and is a significant ticket that often requires a court appearance).
September 23rd, 2016 at 9:18 AM ^
They are vehicles. You don't drive a motorcycle or a car on the sidewalk. It would be incredibly dangerous to the cyclist and to the pedestrians.
As terrifying as riding on the road can be, it's much more preferable to trying to weave through the Benghazi that is a sidewalk.
September 23rd, 2016 at 7:33 AM ^
I do the same. Have been a cycling for most my life. I make sure to stop at lights and signs. Ride on mainly back roads early in the morning. Stay as far right as possbile. When I see other cyclist not following the rules I get a bit pissed off.
September 23rd, 2016 at 8:21 AM ^
every day? Holy crap, I am lazy. I am impressed and also a bit scared.
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^
Weekends and one day during the week. 50 miles on a bike is like running 5-6 miles, you can build up to doing it regularly without tearing yourself up. Other days I do other things, crosstraining, ya know?
re: sidewalks- that's for pedestrians, and in many municipalties it is illegal. Bicycles are a form of vehicular traffic (I average around 20 mph), and really should be on the road and therefore should always obey the rules of the road. It is actually more dangerous to ride on sidewalks. Note to motorists: because we have to obey the rules of the road, it is safer if you do also- i.e. don't stop at a green light to let us go by, etc., we need to have you be predictable also.
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:31 AM ^
I'm still trying to get up to 50 miles. Did 35 and 26 this week, plus a few others. I'm not sure I agree that running 5-6 miles is as hard...just consider the time spent.
If you can actually average 20 mph biking for the entire time including stops, 50 miles will still take you 2.5 hours. If you just run 6 mph, 6 miles will only take an hour. Rate of calorie burn is probably comparable, although if you can bike that fast, that running speed will not be very challenging. Biking 50 is probably more like running a half marathon.
September 23rd, 2016 at 11:47 AM ^
I have run 8 marathons; to me biking a century (100 miles) feels like the same effort and same level of exhaustion as running a half-marathon. I once rode from Durango to Telluride, CO- 130 miles with over 8000 feet of climibing, and riding at altitude no less (over Lizard Head Pass, at 10,000+ feet), that felt like a marathon.
A big factor is how much hill-climbing is involved. 50 miles on the flats is relatively easy, two miles up a 7% grade and you will definitely feel it (and the calorie burn will be impressive).
Time spent is an issue, but I am normally an early riser and by the time I am rolling into the garage after a ride my wife is just waking up, so it works out.
September 23rd, 2016 at 3:37 AM ^
Where all your short comings simply go away with no real consequence. Probably give him key to city for bringing motor vehicle bicycal wrecks to the public eye. They threw a party for the sweater vest for showing just what level of corruption will be praised as long as the end result is a victory over UM. Pathetic win at any cost piece of shit institution.