This Week's Obsession: Hawaii Takeaways Comment Count

Seth

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[Eric Upchurch]

The question: Biggest takeaway from the Hawaii game?

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The responses:

BiSB:

Goooooo sports team!

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Brian: The thing that leaps out at me is *how diverse Don Brown's defense is*. I've just about thrown my hands up on accurately describing one formation versus another. The safeties seem to line up at any depth from 15 yards to 6(!), which Jabrill Peppers did once...

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...on a play where his first steps were backwards and Delano Hill's were forward. Hill is lined up at 11 yards. There were ludicrous splits, plays where both LBs sat between DL in a three-man front, plain old nickel stuff, and a wide array of gray area defenders doing all kinds of stuff. I have no idea what I'm looking at. I gather that's the idea.

Meanwhile Peppers is another monkeywrench on top of everything. I'd say that for a good third to half of his snaps he was functioning as a safety. He was a corner for another chunk, and then there was some linebackery. Michigan's nickel package is the same as its 4-3, and Peppers can do damn near anything in the back seven from play to play. I'm fascinated to see how Michigan deploys their safety trio this year, but it's 50/50 if I'll ever be able to figure anything out.

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David: if he can fool you, 90% of B10 coaching has no chance, right?

Nevermind. They're boned.

[Hit THE JUMP for takes that will melt your cool heart with a fresh island song.]

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David: So, the thing that kept running through my mind in the second half was the sheer volume of true freshman that kept seeing the field.  Going into this season, I think that most people speculated that there would/should be more rookies to see some playing -for various reasons- than in quite some time.  Normally, I am a red-shirt promoter.  However, watching the game on Saturday, my tune might be slightly changing.

Looking at this recruiting class (and what next year's is shaping up to be...not to mention even farther down the road), there are just a lot of dudes that can straight-up play, right now.  Its probably one of the better ready-now classes that I can remember.  I just got to thinking that in order to even get a lot of these guys into the class, playing time pretty much has to be on the table.  In addition to that, we're starting to see more and more guys who just may not be here for 4-5 years, anyway.  In those cases, a redshirt seems like a waste of a year.  Then, assuming a somewhat similar class is following...the cycle repeats itself.  What you're generally going to end up with are slightly younger fellows with higher potential playing instead of slightly older gentlemen with lower ceilings playing.  And if those young dudes are headed to the NFL...sign me up.

Now, I'm not going as far as to say that I'm not in favor of redshirting at all, obviously.  But...with the recruiting trending up and the player development the highest that I can remember...Michigan is in great position to keep putting its best talent on the field and not always worrying about what will happen in 3-4 years.  Not to mention grad transfer rules, crazy Harbaugh washouts, etc This is a brand new era that we're starting to see unfold.

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Seth: That life is fleeting and can be taken away from you any moment even if you're washing the dishes or playing football against Pacific islanders. The game was already in hand, but the point of a tuneup game is to get your players tuned up, and somewhere between "it's 35-0" and "we're not at the halfway point yet" it was reasonable enough to still have the first team playing. Then they started dropping liek flies.

Watching Taco get rolled was a sobering moment, as was seeing Mone limp off earlier. Until then I was rooting for a negative yardage half and other superfluous carnage. After Taco, I was terrified every time a Warrior took a shot at Peppers, and retroactively furious for the one they gave him on the first punt. But I also appreciated Matt Godin way more. He had 26 snaps on Saturday at 3tech, one fewer than Wormley. With Hurst and Mone out, Godin is now nominally the top backup at tackle. They can also have Godin take some snaps at DE when Winovich and Gary need a rest (Gary can play either end position apparently). As long as Godin is available, Michigan doesn't have to rush anybody back the next two weeks. A week ago I thought it a minor tragedy that a guy like Godin would wind up buried by this historic depth chart; now more than ever we're going to be glad to have him

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Adam: My biggest takeaway is that the inside linebacker's athleticism is as advertised. Harbaugh talked up that particular aspect of their game over the past couple of weeks, and though he doesn't usually compliment without reason it's always worth watching what happens on field to see whether that's faint presser praise drawn out by a specific line of questioning or something that the coaches are seeing in practice. By about the second quarter it was clear that the praise was deserved. Mike McCray in particular looks a guy whose sliders were set to Don Brown's liking in create-a-player mode; thanks to Seth, I think we'll be muttering "stay healthy stay healthy oof contact alright yes no yes whew" under our collective breaths whenever he's on the field.

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Ace: That Chris Evans is a viable, perhaps game-changing running back is perhaps not the most shocking answer, nor one that takes a great deal of #analysis, but the fact that he was the third-string RB in the first place speaks a lot to Harbaugh’s flexibility—even when a player doesn’t fit a Harbaugh archetype, he’ll play so long as he can contribute. I assumed Harbaugh would be more rigid when I watched Evans play in high school last year:

Evans probably isn't the type of running back Jim Harbaugh wants—he's not a pile-mover between the tackles—but give him the ball in space and he'll make things happen. I'd like to see more of him catching the ball downfield, but from what I saw he looked good in that regard, and his ability to turn nothing into something should serve him well in the slot.

I deeply regret that now. Evans displayed the vision and instincts that will allow him to take advantage of his athletic talents even when the competition level takes a big step up. His ability to make defenders miss in tight spaces does a lot to make up for his lack of size. I’m particularly upset I didn’t see this coming considering Evans turned this…

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…into a touchdown in the game I covered of his. He made a spectacular first impression, and I’d be very surprised if it turns out to be an anomaly.

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BiSB: Dammit, Ace beat me.

Ace: The Greatest Mid-February Weekend In The History Of Mid-February Weekends trained me well for such a scenario.

Comments

Hail Harbo

September 7th, 2016 at 12:17 PM ^

Objectively, Peppers isn't all that great in coverage.  While he does many things really well to great, one on one coverage isn't one of them.  Actually, I thought that was fairly common knowledge.  From what I see, he relies on his athleticism and aggression much more so than technique when it comes to covering receivers.

trueblueintexas

September 7th, 2016 at 12:02 PM ^

It took watching the every snap videos but the two things I saw was that the O-line performed better than my initial impression. On defense, contrary to Seth, I saw the same Godin as last year. Every 3rd or 4th play he does something really well. Anytime he meets a double team he gets on his roller skates. Not ideal if forced to play more snaps, great in a limited role.

ScruffyTheJanitor

September 7th, 2016 at 12:02 PM ^

watching an interview with Bill Parcells, and he was asked how he would defend the modern, wide-open offenses. His idea was to put three safetys on the field. It just occured to me that this is Don Brown's defense exactly. 

steve sharik

September 7th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^

Brian, to figure it out, start with how many down linemen there are, then go to the playbook and try to determine the package. Remember, Peppers can be the SAM, Butkus, Pup, etc., etc. If you need help, you know where to reach me. Seth seems like he has a pretty decent grasp on that, too.

Takeaway for everyone: Michigan had a top 5 performance in 3 out of 5 Factors, Bill Connelly style. M was top 5 in explosiveness, efficiency, and finishing drives. TO margin wasn't top 5, but I'll take +1 with two pick-sixes over any other performance that occurred or will occur. Also, field position wasn't great b/c of the one possession starting at the two (like that mattered /Nelson HA-ha) and our kick return coverage was a little leaky as the day progressed. Yeah, it was Hawaii, but I was impressed regardless. Tennessee, MSU, and Clemson had opponents they should've handled easily, but didn't. (Not so sure about that last one, but....)

Kevin13

September 7th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^

I hope Taco is only out one game. Being saying this and will repeat it again. Colorado is a decent football team, probably better then Penn State. We will need him in that game.

MGoDad

September 7th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^

I posted this on a dead thread before, but regarding JH potential use of Chris Evans, here's all of Lamichael James's snaps in 2012 under JH at SF: https://youtu.be/3dQ6_xF3HFw

You see him running out of that diamond formation we saw last year, some stretch (I think). He doesn't get as much play as Evans probably will, but anyway I wanted to post in case it gives some of you more technical guys insights on what JH might do with a smaller RB that doesn't fit what we think of as a JH RB.

The Dean

September 7th, 2016 at 1:28 PM ^

I was bored at work so I reviewed each defensive snap a few times. The majority of my focus was on the d-line. A few things stood out to me.

1) Mone and Glasgow seemed to interchange between the 1 and 3 techs, with Wormley playing a ton of SDE. I wasn't expecting that but it made sense with Hurst being out. Glasgow and Wormley were really good Saturday.

2). Holy stunts by the d-line. Don't quote me, but I'm guessing they stunted over 50% of the snaps. Some were obviously coming based on alignment (e.g., Goodin being 1.5yrds off the ball). If the o-line hadn't held so much, many of those stunts would have resulted in sacks from interior d-line.

3). Gary shows flashes, but has a ways to go before he's a Wormley type guy. Gary was slow off the snap for most of the second quarter. By the end of the game, he was much better and was tough to block when playing WDE.

4). Winovich played well for the most part. He's a bit undersized, but by far the quickest d-lineman. Very different skillset from Taco.

5). If this d-line gets/stays healthy and Hill keeps up his run support from the safety position, it will be very difficult to run the ball against this team

Steves_Wolverines

September 7th, 2016 at 2:00 PM ^

Regarding #2: I hate when officials swallow the whistle when the game is obviously one-sided. Yes Michigan destroyed them, and the game was over before it began, but why do refs feel the need to allow the bad team to get away with blatent holding on almost every play? 

This really ticks me off becuase we could have had much better defensive numbers, and got screwed over because the game was a blowout. 

"Let the kids play" some may say to defend the refs actions, but how can our DL play when they are constantly getting bear hugged, grabbed by the waist/neck/jersey/etc?!

/end rant

The Dean

September 7th, 2016 at 3:41 PM ^

Agreed. Probably frustrating for the players as well because they executed the stunts pretty well for a first game. 

When I watched the game live, I was shocked the front four weren't getting more pressure. I was expecting a more Bama d-line vs. USC o-line performance. However, When I watched the tape, it made more sense as to why it wasn't happening. It was a much more dominant performance by the entire defense then I originally thought.

 

 

Ronnie Kaye

September 7th, 2016 at 2:19 PM ^

If paranoia and panic strikes every time a valuable player is involved in a rough exchange, football might not be for you. Seth's answer is so weird.

ShadowStorm33

September 7th, 2016 at 4:24 PM ^

My biggest takeaway is that is doesn't seem like the staff thinks O'Korn will significantly improve from where he's at, at least not enough to pass Speight. For a QB race that many said was 51%/49% for most of it, I was surprised that O'Korn got so little time. I get wanting to get the new starter experience, but I was not expecting O'Korn to get the same number of series the third and fourth string QBs, especially Malzone (one each).