[LOCKED] OT: Ole Miss band will no longer play "Dixie"
FYI. Is this a case of politcal correctness harming college football tradition, long overdue social justice, or something in-between? While UM football hasn't had to deal with the same history that many southern schools have on this issue, it isn't unassailable either (e.g. Fielding Yost keeping a black player, Willis Ward, out versus Georgia Tech) - so this does have some relevance here. At least this Ole Miss headline isn't about Hugh Freeze... yet.
POST-LOCK EDIT: I was really hoping this could last for at least a few hours before getting killed. So much for level-headed discourse. Oh well - I suppose MOMS know best.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/19/ole-miss-rebels-marching-…
MOD EDIT - Well, that went about as well as you could have imagined. Locking this, as apparently feelings on this are - and I cannot imagine why - strangely complex. - LSA
August 20th, 2016 at 5:36 PM ^
Nice try, WD.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:36 PM ^
However, both are horrible ideas, but that was a discussion on morality etc. that isn't a discussion for this site.
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:32 PM ^
We should be talking about how many pancakes Rashan Gary ate.
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:39 PM ^
Pancakes is usually an OL stat, indicating that the lineman has blocked his defender all the way into the ground.
I expect Gary to experience very few of those. He may, however, pancake a large number of opposing quarterbacks.
August 20th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:02 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 4:02 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:02 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 4:06 PM ^
This is....surprising.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:08 PM ^
The traitorous rag should be banned from flying in the US similar to how Germany banned the Nazi flag.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:11 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:20 PM ^
An exception should be made.
Also, burning the US flag should be a federal crime like killing a bald eagle is IMO. Unconstitutional my ass.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:24 PM ^
i hate what you (not you, WD, but the euphemistic 'you') have to say, but i will fight to the death to preserve your right to say it.
in a free society people say offensive things, its the hurley-burley of life. i prefer that over communist and muslim countries who will imprison you or cut your head off if you get sideways in your 'approved' communication.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:29 PM ^
Germany is a democracy and they ban the Nazi flag, though. Or am I off?
The US flag idea of mine comes from my anger given I had virtually an entire generation in my family fight in WWII and Korea. The flag doesn't stand for the government here, it stands for those who defend and defended it.
You disrespect it, you disrespect everyone who fought and died for YOUR rights.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:33 PM ^
and they outlaw all manner of speech and even homeschooling, so they are further to the left of us in their outlook and i will stop there to stay away from politics.
and i get how you feel about disrespect for our flag and for the same reasons you mention - but freedom comes with a cost and that cost includes offensive speech, people carrying guns in places that we are no longer used to, etc. if you start legislating speech and conduct like that, you eventually end up on the wrong side of the speech police.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:38 PM ^
Freedom of speech in Europe isn't what it is here. You can get tossed in jail for a facebook post
August 20th, 2016 at 4:43 PM ^
Cmon man. One was used as a symbol of mass murder. The other, while technically treasonous against the Union, was a symbol of rebellion from a government ovestepping their boundaries. If the government decided to tax every person in Michigan more than any other state would you be pissed?
August 20th, 2016 at 4:53 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 5:04 PM ^
I get slavery was bad but many people have the view of ''The north was so awesome the south was racist ahhhhhhh we freed the slaves because we're martyrs'' and that's not historically true of how the war went.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:12 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 5:19 PM ^
KKK was founded by a Confederate General in Tennessee, not the Midwest. The second Klan was formed in Atlanta. Though yes they were strong in the Midwest, especially Indiana. And Howell.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:39 PM ^
Though you are right that there's plenty of northern racism. Read about housing policy in Chicago sometime. Yikes.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:33 PM ^
It was not a rebellion against a government overstepping its boundaries. It was against the fear of slave power in the Congress being limited by the banning of slavery in the territories. Which is a power the Congress was well understood to have. So they fired on Fort Sumter before Lincoln made a move against them.
And if you ever questioned whether the war was about slavery, read the documents of secession. Primary documents tell us that yeah, the first and paramount complaint was about slavery. Everything else was made up afterwards to glorify the traitors.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:27 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 4:28 PM ^
I know it is unconstitutional, but it's not right.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:51 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^
Other countries do fine at the whole democracy thing without our free speech absolutism.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:01 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 5:13 PM ^
Canada's the most obvious example. Others: Australia, the UK, post-war Germany (which goes too far, I think), the Scandnavian nations... I'm mostly a free speech absolutist actually and argue the other side with Canadian friends on liberal forums, I'm just aware that not everyone does it like we do.
I'm not for outright banning the Confederate flag for individuals, though I am going to judge those people as racist fuckwits. However, the institutions of the state should not be using the regalia and symbols of treason in defense of slavery, for the obvious reason that it creates an atmosphere hostile to a large portion of the population. If Ole Miss is meant to serve primarily the citizens of Mississippi, it should serve all of them. I also think the Stars and Bars should be removed from their flag for the same reason and celebrated when South Carolina finally did so after the Mother Emmanuel shootings.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:24 PM ^
I don't think things in those European nations are going as well as you think they are.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:35 PM ^
They're making shitty policy choices, especially in terms of economics and refusing to integrate their Muslim minorities (excepting Canada, which has done well as far as I know), but they're healthy representative democracies.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:38 PM ^
Can't get into this further without touching on politics but... you are not exactly accurate.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:14 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:33 PM ^
As someone with active family ties to Germany, it is the case that while the symbols of the old NSDAP are illegal, the party that rose from its ashes - the NDP - is not. There was an attempt by the Bundestag to petition the Constitutional Court in Germany, which can ban parties outright, and it was ultimately rejected. You will not see swastikas, but sadly the ideology of that party is alive and well and vying for seats in government.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:46 PM ^
The bald eagle should only be protect to save a threatened species not for bullshit patriotic reasons.
August 20th, 2016 at 5:00 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:15 PM ^
That was literally the ONLY song the Ole Miss band played. Their half-time show was, I kid you not, "Seven Variations on Dixie".
We've had a lot of good wins over the years, but outside of Ohio State, I can't say I've ever been happier to just grind a team into oblivion like I was that day.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:16 PM ^
If heaven ain't a lot like Dixie, then I don't wanna go. If heaven ain't a lot like Dixie, then I'll sure stay home. - Hank Williams Jr.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:27 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:19 PM ^
151 years too late.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^
like the flag. i mean, i get history and all, but nowadays you see some dude running around with it and it's obvious he didn't get past 9th grade, much less history class, and the only basis i think those mental midgets have for having those flags is racism.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^
August 20th, 2016 at 4:59 PM ^
There was a long organized movement among intellectuals (prominent member: Woodrow Wilson) to rehabilitate the Confederacy as a noble effort to preserve freedom from the tyranny of Washington that dominated establishment American history until depressingly recently.
It's also why Grant's Presidency is more often remembered as that of a drunken fool and not for being the best President on race relations until at least Truman, maybe LBJ.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 4:24 PM ^
It's the song of a bunch of traitors in defense of slavery celebrated by the premier public school of a state which is 37% black. Which violently resisted being desegregated in living memory.
That's just racism.
August 20th, 2016 at 4:32 PM ^
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August 20th, 2016 at 5:01 PM ^