OT: Kentucky's entire hoops team declares for NBA draft

Submitted by lilpenny1316 on

This might be the most Harbaugh-like thing that I've seen someone not Jim Harbaugh do.

They're taking advantage of a loophole that allows you to declare and go to the pre-draft combine, if invited.  Kids have up to 10 days after the combine to withdraw their name and come back to school.

You still cannot hire an agent.  But you can do this up to three times. 

It's legal.  It's within the rules.  It's something Harbaugh would do if he coached college hoops. 

LINK: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-entire-basketball-team-declaring-221100665.html

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

March 24th, 2016 at 5:31 PM ^

So by doing this it might take away from another kid at let's say Valpo getting an invite.

Uh, how?  Declaring for the draft doesn't guarantee you an invite.  It means the NBA folks will evaluate you and decide if you deserve one.  If the imaginary Valpo kid deserves one, he'll get invited, and the Kentucky walk-ons won't.

I don't know if college kids still do this, by the way, and I hate that phrase because it makes me feel very old, but declaring for the NBA draft used to be something non-hoops-playing college kids did all the time, just for shits and giggles, because it's relatively easy.  Or was, anyway.  It didn't take spots away from legitimate pros.

reshp1

March 24th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^

Good, it never made sense to me that a kid has to declare to go pro at all. I don't see much downside to allowing kids to go through the process without ending their college careers. I can think of a few examples where it would have been better for the kid to decide to go back to school after their draft stock fell for whatever reason.

Space Coyote

March 24th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^

And this is why the rule will likely get changed to some degree. Perhaps not everyone will get invited to the combine, and that prevents other teams from doing this. But I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA came back and said "alright, you can try out the combine once and come back, but if you try it again you are done."

Space Coyote

March 24th, 2016 at 3:43 PM ^

1. What is to prevent all players, or most players, or a majority of players, or even a lot more players from doing this? The more players that declare, the less accurate the evaluations become. The less work is put into individual evaluations, the more range is applied to each evaluation, the worse it gets. This likely leads to more kids declaring based on a less accurate evaluation of their potential. That hurts the kids, it hurts the coaches, it hurts the teams, and especially it potentially hurts recruits that have mostly already wrapped up their recruitment and the coaches trying to figure out how to recruit (i.e. it leads to oversigning).

2. These are still considered "student"-athletes, regardless of the debate about how much they are students and how much they are athletes. But more time dedicated away from their school and school's team, and focused on the evaluation process (I'd assume the evaluation, not to mention potentially the combine, is more than just evaluators watching film) are much less focused on school, even more than they would be. There really isn't an argument like the spring break argument that it actually helps the players out as students. This only puts more weight on them solely being "athletes", which doesn't work in the NCAA's favor.

I think 1) is a valid concern. This rule is intended for borderline players. But the NCAA can't determine who is borderline, and the pro evaluators don't have a hand in that until after their evaluation. So everyone goes unless there is some insentive not to go. The easiest way to give that insentive is to apply some sort of rule that prevents people that likely aren't borderline from being evaluated, such as only allowing them to be evaluated and come back once, rather than 3 or 4 times. That's why I'd bet the NCAA tweeks the rule going forward so that this doesn't start happening.

The Maizer

March 24th, 2016 at 5:09 PM ^

Valid points, I concede them. However, I think 1) still is more of an NBA problem than an NCAA problem though. I agree that in the first few years of "everyone" declaring for the draft, the evaluation quality will be poor. But after enough time in that system, the evaluations should become accurate as the NBA is motivated to find the best players.

Players who are clearly not top-quality will not take up that much of the NBA's evaluation effort. It's still going to be the same tier of player that gets a serious evaluation and the biggest problem will be evaluating what round a player will go in will be a difficult projection when you don't know how many of the players will go back to school.

I like that it gives players a real avenue to judge their value (because I don't like when players declare early on bad information and end up falling far in the draft unexpectedly).

BleedThatBlue

March 24th, 2016 at 3:37 PM ^

Love my Wolverines and love my 'Cats. I do think that Cal is doing this not because of recruiting tactics or something to promote him, but rather he genuinely cares for his kids. He made the statement from the get go that he cares about the kids and wants them and their families to succeed. Good for him. I love both coaches for being trendsetters.



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LSAClassOf2000

March 24th, 2016 at 3:46 PM ^

The new rule states they can submit their name a total of three times. If they choose to withdraw, they have until 10 days after the combine. It’s a true win-win for the student-athlete.

You know, if a coach wanted to put the time into this, you could use this as a real CI opportunity for their program if you got enough data on your own team by specifically having them declare en masse each year and see who comes back, get input into why they came back, what positions you're coaching better, offense / defense, etc...You could build quite the arsenal of real performance data and feedback potentially by using this to its full extent.

Of course, to get sufficient data for that, you may need years and most coaches don't get years lately....but then some do. 

turtleboy

March 24th, 2016 at 3:49 PM ^

This is why I don't understand why teams don't cheat. There's literally zero incentive to not cheat. They'll be completely fine, the class they're buying next year will all enter next year's draft after taking zero classes, too.

Crisler 71

March 24th, 2016 at 4:03 PM ^

Per the article 

every player who is eligible for the draft, including our walk-ons, will submit their names for the NBA Draft in hopes of being invited to the combine in May.

Every player in America should declare.  You can do it three times, after Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years.  If you don't get invited to the combine, come back to school.  If you so get invited go to the combine and see what they say.  Then make up your mind.  Basically it is giving every player the chance.  Why would you not, as a sophomore, do this, no matter how good you are?

Mr. Yost

March 24th, 2016 at 4:27 PM ^

It's a great idea...and if it was Jim Harbaugh people would be in LOVE with it.

The guys can still come back, there's no harm by doing it. Whether or not they get invited to the combine is pointless...they're in the news, doing something as a team, and it doesn't hurt anyone...go for it.

DMill2782

March 24th, 2016 at 4:54 PM ^

if the entire team declares? The rule is still the same and you still have to be invited to the pre-draft combine. You think the NBA is really going to waste their time evaluating UK walk-ons? Grow up Peter Pan. Count Chocula.

On March 21, Burke submitted himself for evaluation by the NBA Draft Advisory Council. The deadline for entering the NBA draft was April 29, but the deadline for withdrawing a declaration and retaining NCAA eligibility was April 10. On April 9, Burke announced he would return to Michigan for his sophomore season instead of staying in the NBA draft.

The "loophole" is not new at all. 

Blue Mike

March 24th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^

That isn't the loophole.  The "loophole" is that kids now have until 10 days AFTER the combine to withdraw from the draft, which is in May.  As you stated, Burke had to decide and withdraw in April, a month before the combine. The new rule allows kids to hear from NBA scouts, go to the combine and get worked out, get a real idea of where they stand, and still come back without penalty.

 

DMill2782

March 25th, 2016 at 10:47 AM ^

I didn't realize the change with the timing. I just thought we were talking about testing the waters by declaring.

This is a good thing. Kids should have the time to think over their NBA decision and get a real evaluation instead of being rushed with limited info. 

Still, walk-ons are absolutely not going to be invited to the combine. They can declare for the draft a million times and zero of them will be invited. 

Trader Jack

March 24th, 2016 at 7:04 PM ^

You really think the point of this is for every kid to get invited to the combine? Calipari is making a mockery of the system. And no entire team has ever declared. Don't act surprised that other people are interested when something happens that never has before.



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carolina blue

March 24th, 2016 at 5:05 PM ^

What are you talking about? Belichik and harbaugh are virtually the same in that way. Look at the rules and exploit them as well as possible. How is what he did with the alignment rule different than what Harbaugh does? What they do is legal and gains them an advantage because they know them so well.

Now if you want to argue that belichik has broken the rules before and has thusly cheated then fine. But "to take advantage of rules or lack of rules" is exactly what both guys do. You could argue harbaugh got caught trying to exploit a rule with the intent to deceive penalty.



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smwilliams

March 24th, 2016 at 6:15 PM ^

I don't entirely get the Cal hate on here. Is it possible some UK boosters are greasing the skids? Sure. But it's also possible that high schoolers see that players from UK go in the first round of the draft and realize it's a unique situation to further their careers.

If people think football recruiting is shady, basketball recruiting is basically Heart of Darkness. So I guarantee that UK isn't the only school in bed with the show companies (bet you M starts landing some 5-stars now that it's a Jordan Brand)



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FGB

March 24th, 2016 at 8:53 PM ^

Calipari gets kids ready for the NBA, gets them drafted into the NBA and gets them paid by the NBA.  He is extremely successful at this. And, shocker, this is the goal of most high-profile recruits!!

Now it could very well be that they pay recruits at UK.  It could also be that recruits want to go there because they want to play in the NBA and it is without question that that's the best school to go to for that goal.

What is more shady on the surface:  the five-star who goes to UK, or the five-star who goes to LSU?  Tyus Battle changes to a school with a much better basketball reputation over the school with nearly a decade worth of boosters-paying-players history, and people here (including the proprietor of this blog) scream "the Syracuse bagmen"! 

Sometimes recruits pick a school because it's a better basketball situation than another school.

jrems

March 24th, 2016 at 10:47 PM ^

As far as my knowledge is concerned, Cal has left a trail of NCAA investigations/sanctions from UMASS and Memphis, and he comes across as a used car salesman.

With that said, the more I listen to him speak over the recent years, the more I want to be around him.

I get why kids want to play for him. I still don't like him and think he's probably a dirty coach. IMO