Talking DL
First off, I'm super excited about our DL next year. Who do you think starts? Does Gary start? There will be an awesome competition between him and Taco this fall. Regardless of who starts there's going to be a great rotaion. But one concern of mine is Mone & Hurst going pro early, leaving us with not a whole lot in 17 but anyway back to next year....
1st team: Wormley, Glasgow, Hurst, Gary
2nd team: Taco, Mone, Godin, Marshall
3rd team: Johnson, Pallante, Dwumfour, Kemp
February 4th, 2016 at 1:30 PM ^
"The Don"
February 4th, 2016 at 1:39 PM ^
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February 4th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^
What about, CD? Coach Don
February 4th, 2016 at 12:29 PM ^
No way Taco doesn't start.
This is his year. He was on the verge of a major breakout all last year.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^
Will not start next year, at least not for awhile into the season. Yet he will still see plenty of time within the rotation. DL starters rarely matter anymore.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^
Shocked if Gary starts.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^
not sure "starting" matters much but I will be shocked if Gary isn't getting a significant number of reps by week 5-6.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^
Nkemdiche was starting early as well, I believe.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:02 PM ^
OSU lost just about their entire starting dline from the 2012 season. UM returns just about everyone from the 2 deep on the dline last year. Not saying Gary doesn't start, but the situations in terms of returning starters is a bit different.
February 4th, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^
Bosa was around #50 overall with a number of D-lineman ahead of him like Nkemdiche, Lawson, Vanderdoes, Liner, Allen, Daniel, Williams, etc. But, based on his performance during games I think it's clear he was the top overall lineman. He may be the #1 overall pick in the draft. IMO we would all be very happy to have a Bosa level performance out of Gary.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:39 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
Not to mention 247 considers him the 2nd best recruit of ALL TIME:
February 4th, 2016 at 4:09 PM ^
because I thought I saw a diary about 247's use of the 100+ ranking to designate a 'franchise player' and Gary was 101 and finished a 100, while maybe 5-7 other guys finished 100+
That list is alphabetical and indicates that Gary, Nkemdiche, Ernie Sims, Vince Young, and Clowney were all consensus #1's and they are listed alphabetically.
February 4th, 2016 at 8:50 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^
Rolling that kind of depth through the line is going to be VERY exciting to watch. Hopefully we will be able to stay healthy because we will see some serious dominance in 4th quarters keeping all of them fresh. That's also some serious size for a starting D line.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^
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February 4th, 2016 at 6:41 PM ^
Agreed! When Glasgow went down, after losing Mone for the season, it really hurt us. Getting Gary helps, but that's why I think losing Henry is a really big deal. I wish we landed another d-tackle like Elliot or Tagaloa. Injuries happen every year and at some point it will hurt our ability to go 2-deep.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
NT: Glasgow, Mone
3T: Hurst, Gary
SDE: Wormley, Johnson or Godin
WDE: Charlton, Marshall or Kemp
I think Dwumfour redshirts for sure, and probably Kemp.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
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February 4th, 2016 at 12:37 PM ^
BUCK is no longer a position here. Taco will be a pure WDE.
February 4th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^
EDIT: Googled it, nm.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:49 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
word is UM has asked Kemp to keep weight at 250 or lower so that he can play MIKE. He was recruited to play BUCK under Durkin but Brown runs a 4-3, so the thought is Kemp will compete at LB.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:49 PM ^
That's interesting, I hadn't heard that.
Based on his profile I was thinking he might play SLB in a 4-3 Under system, kind of like Jake Ryan in 2011 and 2012. Of course, Ryan later moved to MLB and was effective there as well, so either option would make sense to me.
February 4th, 2016 at 2:06 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
Damn that is a huge MLB at >250. Seems like an interesting choice if true. Also not sure where all these guys will play - supposedly Bush is an ILB and now Kemp and so is Bosse. If we switched to a 3-4 I could see that but where will they park these bodies in a 4-3.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:33 PM ^
I'll be shocked if Gary starts in week 1. I'll also be shocked if he isn't starting by week 8.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^
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February 4th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 12:39 PM ^
to see Mone back on the field in 16; but I think those people automatically penciling him in ahead of Glasgow are nuts. Ryan proved himself last year.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^
Serious question. Will Mo Hurst be able to play more snaps now that Henry is moving on? Being that his main attribute is the quick first step like Henry, I would think you wouldn't want to throw more on him than he had last year to preserve that quickness off the ball. Maybe that's where Gary gets snaps as well?
Mone coming back with Glasgow puts a smile on my face.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:51 PM ^
if Gary does come in and start at WDE. This is no longer the BUCK position and Gary has the ability to both hold the edge and rush the passer if needed on early downs.
I also say that Mone will probably edge out Hurst for the 3T spot and Hurst will rotate in on passing downs as well as Gary will likely kick down to the inside on passing downs for added pass rush.
Opposing QBs better start studying their checkdowns now, because we have legitimately 6 guys who will not be able to be blocked one on one. You combine that with the tightest man coverage in the nation and a 4.3-40 210 lb freak roaming the middle of the field and our pass D looks to be again the best the nation will see. I hope Mr. Brown's strong suit is scheming against the run, because that will again be the only way to beat us consistently.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:19 PM ^
that the injury bug stays far away from A2 (safeties in particular). I know I am.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^
The safeties will have to be up to par or Jabrill will have to rotate back there, and with the inexperience at LB and coverage in that area, I pray this does not happen. The safeties just have to be modest though. Lewis will take care of his half and the combination of Clark, Long, and Stribs will give up less than 50% completions this year, you can book that. It is going to be the middle zone and the flares that will eat us next season. Young players just don't recognize plays fast enough to get out into the flat area. There will be a learning curve.
February 4th, 2016 at 4:14 PM ^
Dymonte Thomas will have a huge year at safety. He was coming on strong last year.
February 4th, 2016 at 2:53 PM ^
Mone over Hurst at 3T? Thank you for making me laugh today!
February 4th, 2016 at 4:37 PM ^
His system is largely based on stopping the run and making teams one dimensional. I have heard him mention this on three or four occasions now.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 12:53 PM ^
It will be interesting to see if Mone and Glasgow play side by side as in theory they play the same position.
Putting the "best 4" out there I'd go with a line of
Wormley / Mone / Glasgow / Taco or Gary
I really wish Henry had stayed selfishly but...
Behind them loser of Taco or Gary / Hurst / Godin (if he stays on team) - if not then Gary / Marshall or Shelton Johnson
I assume Carlos Kemp will redshirt but if he flashes in spring and fall camp he will be competing with Marshall and Shelton for their spot. Dwumfour is redshirting.
I dont think "starting" matters so much at DL unlike say corners or OL where starters play a ton of the time. If you have an 8 deep DL your starters probably play 60-65% of snaps and backups 35-40%. Very different than other positions.
I see Gary more outside in 2016 with some time inside and then I see him inside his last 2 years as a McDowell type of defensive tackle. But hopefully Suh like production in year 2 and 3. But I am assuming Shelton Johnson / Marshall / Ron Johnson / Carlos Kemp are ready to be big contributors in 2017 - esp the first 2.
I am not worried about Hurst going pro like you as he is a rotation type guy IMO - you saw how we wore down when he got 1st string snaps late in the year. His best role is to come in and take 35% of the snaps and be very effective on those snaps. He is more your pash rush specialist DT and a part timer. Mone has played 1 year of college football so I guess anything can happen but it feels a lot like the worry over Walton and Irvin going pro.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^
I agree with all of this. However I will point out that McDowell is coming into his own as a Suh type of disruptor so don't discount his productivity level. Between Marshall/Kemp/Johnson, there has to be one of them that comes on a "the guy" going into 2017 as an edge rusher. I think undoubtedly one or two of them will. Then the prospect of playing along Gary for 2 more years without doubt will attract us a premium edge rusher next recruiting cycle. Watching our D line wreck teams next season will have kids foaming at the mouth.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^
1st string: Wormley, Glasgow, Hurst, Gary.
might take a few weeks, but after that cant imagine they keep Gary out of 1st string. i like Taco, but dont think he can out perform Gary. plus Hurst and Gary stunting on the same side sounds pretty much unfair, want this to happen.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 1:10 PM ^
Not that I wouldnt want that to happen, but there is some pretty decent competition for that honor.
To me, Gary already is what I had hoped Wormley would turn into. And Wormley was pretty damn good last season. So, you could be right.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:00 PM ^
Word in 2015 fall camp was Mone was a starter before that leg injury, but then Glasgow got on the field and straight up wrecked teams. He was as consistent and good an interior DL we've had since at least Mike Martin. Considering he's good enough to be first or second team All-B1G on the interior DL, you gotta think he's starting. My expectation to start the year is a line of:
- WDE - Charlton
- 3T - Hurst
- NT - Glasgow
- SDE - Wormley
With Gary and Mone both rotating in a ton, and Godin and Marshall rotating in a bit less. Into the year I expect Gary (who looks incredibly dominant in all available tape) to replace Hurst as the starting 3T, and Hurst and Mone to be heavily rotated interior backups and Godin/Marshall to be the DE backups. Everyone is saying that you gotta move Gary around to take advantage of his skills, and I could see Don Brown doing a lot of that. Coupled with his blitz-heavy scheme, blitzers like Peppers, Gedeon, Bush Jr., and maybe Uche from an OLB spot (has awesome speed for an OLB), and our defense could be destroying most of the schedule. 2016 is going to be FUN.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^
If we are doing a pretty much even rotation, Gary should be labeled as the starter as a selling point to future recruits that there is the opportunity for early playing time.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:05 PM ^
We haven't had that terror off the edge since B. Graham. If Gary is consistently getting home, and standing up against the run, it will be Gary, Glasgow, Hurst and Wormley.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:07 PM ^
Gary will start. Some people obviously don't realize how good this young man is, Think Pepper x's 2!
February 4th, 2016 at 1:20 PM ^
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February 4th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^
Depends on which style offense we're playing.
Pro-style run heavy teams.
Wormley-Mone-Glasgow-Taco
Spread---
Wormley-Glasgow-Hurst-Taco
Gary will get reps no matter what. I'd love to see a speed rusher devolop to help create pressure without blitzing everyone.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^
Here's why.
1) It doesn't really matter who starts. All guys will get some snaps, those that play better in their early snaps will get more later in the game. For the sake of the program, getting "starts" added to the stat line likely helps the older guys for now.
2) While Gary certainly has high upside, as a young player, he also comes with some downside. Michigan's returning DL can almost always do enough to take momentum to start the game. Michigan doesn't need a spark from someone, because the upside doesn't justify the potential bust that may give the opponent momentum.
3) DL (and really both sides of the LOS) require great technique. Gary has never consistently had to go against college level athletes and consistently utilize his technique. I want players that are more consistent in their technique starting when the opponent is fresh and focused at the start of the game. Let Gary come in when the opponent is more in the redundancy of the game, a little more worn down. At that point he can get by with a little less consistency in technique and utilize his athleticism and size to win match ups (while continually improving technique).
4) Gary can be used in a way like Peppers was used on offense: fit him where you need him. He's a swing guy. Plug him in at any position you want along the DL, depending on match up, scheme, who's playing well, whatever. But get that information first, then put him, as a young player, in a position to have early success.
NT - 1. Glasgow 2. Mone 3. Hurst
3T - 1. Hurst 2. Wormley 3. Gary 4. Godin
SDE - 1. Wormley 2. Taco 3. Gary 4. Godin
WDE - 1. Taco 2. Gary 3. Marshall
Obviously, guys can only play one spot at a time. So that's how you slide Gary in. WDE (I think just called a Backer now) may change depending on specifically what Brown wants to do at the position. May go to more of a LB type, at which point Gary/Taco may plug in there less.
Gary may immediately have a starting role, such as a 3rd down pass rusher either at the 3T or SDE position, but that would leave him on the sideline to start the game technically.