How Recruiting Visits Work

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Someone was asking about the recruiting process, so I thought I would offer up the little bit I know, since we are all waiting on recruits, and it is a slow week on the board…because despite the tagline on the Mgo header, the staff seem to inexplicably observing a major holiday.

I will preface this by saying: I was never recruited.  I went to a high school with a lot of big time recruits, I know guys that played at a few schools including M during the Carr/RR years, and I have a close friend who is an up and coming coach in Virginia.  I have been on a few visits and I have heard about a lot more…most of the ACC, Big 10, SEC, and Big 12. 

First, visits during games are not ideal.  There isn't enough time for coaches to spend with recruits because of game day.  Keep in mind, most games are at noon or 3:30, so the kid will be lucky to talk to the coach more than 5 or 10 minutes pre-game.  Teams are up early in the morning to eat, have walk-throughs and head to the stadium.  Coaches are finalizing game plans and generally stick with the team during the entire pre-game process.  During the 2012 UM/OSU game, we were allowed to go to the coaches locker room with Urban for about 5 minutes, while the other recruits were eating. (Our group also included the #1 player in the country, so that is unusual.)  During the meal, the position coaches mingle with parents and recruits.  At UTL II, (if you remember was a monster recruiting weekend) we had a nice meal, they showed a slideshow and we had a few quick words from coaches. I spoke with Chris Perry, who attended my high school, but he was ushered out because of compliance.

The recruits are assigned a coordinator, who leads everyone on to the field pre-game.  On the way there, a lot of kids (and adults..smh) were asking for autographs, which was immediately attended to because this was right after the Johnny Manziel fiasco.  (Sorry, the Johnny Manziel AUTOGRAPH fiasco, not any of the other fiascos he’s been associated with.) The recruits get to stand on the sidelines as everyone warms up.  Most will remember a fantastic picture I took of Da’Shawn with the Maize and Blue crowd in the background.

At OSU, I wore a highlighter yellow “HAIL” shirt as I walked in front of the student section.  They did not approve.  Being on the field allows players to get a feel for the gameday atmosphere, because that’s exactly where they would be for every gameday. It’s wild looking up at the audience, and witnessing 100,000 plus…the anticipation is moving through the air.  Right before the band comes out, recruits are ushered to their seats, usually in the first 5-6 rows, in between the 40’s.  My UTL II seats were 4th row.  At OSU, we sat in the 6th row.  Maryland we were in the 2nd row.  I am a family friend of a former player who is not well –regarded around these parts, but every time I went with his family, we were between rows 8 and 14. 

After the game, the recruits leave together, and meet up in the athletic center to wait for coaches and players.  Coaches will sneak in and say hi if they can.  Once the players are dressed and done for the night, they take out or hang out with recruits.

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Ideally, unofficial visits take place during spring practice and you follow up with an OV during a game the following fall.  Coaches and parents prefer this option.  What’s the point of having a kid on campus if you can’t spend any time with him?  During spring practice, recruits and parents actually get to watch the coaches coach.  You notice different drills and habits that may vary from one school/coach to another.  It’s not really all that exciting to be honest, but it illustrates how practices are run.  The UM coaches had their wives there to interact with recruits and their families.  Mattison and Hoke’s wife, both knew who Hand was by the way, which was pretty cool.  I believe UVA practiced first thing in the morning to allow students time to study during the rest of the day.  That is something that appeals to recruits who are undertaking more demanding majors.  When we arrived at Schembechler, we were given a tour of the building, the coaches offices, locker rooms, and meeting rooms.  Mattison is not what you’d expect.  He is a really goofy, funny guy.  He gave us a little Beyonce dance, sang some Rihanna for us, and recommended Emile Sande songs.  I truly dislike Mike Vrabel, but he’s a very good guy as well.  Very intense..and you see it every time he is on tv.  I mentioned this before but I thought Urban was very likeable, and I very nearly committed my unborn son to play for him at that moment. Some of the women that I worked with were very interested to hear about Urban Meyer and see pictures, which should tell you how easy it is for him to convince a mom to send their kids to him. [Below-right: Magnuson on his visit | Eric Upchurch]

Also included are the inevitable trip into the stadium.  The locker room in the stadium is where you see the pictures taken with jerseys.  Many schools will lay out the assortment of items, various helmets, jersey options, shoe/glove options and there will be a jersey hanging for each recruit with his number on it.  They encourage the pictures because it is good recruiting and good psychology. 

There is a building which is a study facility for athletes, I think it is the Ross Academic Center.  IIRC, this is an athletes-only study center.  There are different support programs, computers, study halls, tutors, etc. that are for players only.  Michigan has an “M-Pact”(Michigan Athletics Professional & Career Transition Program) program which is used to essentially mentor kids about their future.  Most high school senior football players will have 5 more years of football in their life.  The ones that get to the NFL will have about 8.  The lucky ones will have 15.  What is left after that? It's eye opening for many kids who never thought about it like that.  They have programs where they can pair current athletes with former athletes whether it is career advice or help dealing with situations.  Former players actually still use the M-Pact program, including guys in the NFL or who are recently out of the NFL.  Another example would be allowing a student-athlete to shadow someone in the career of their choice, to evaluate whether they would want to pursue that career.

The academic presentation is typically with the dean of the school, which the recruit intends to major.   Many of you are familiar with Professor Needs A Raise.  He gave a very interesting presentation and even encouraged me to look into the Sports Management Program. (Clearly, I looked like I ran a 4.4).  It wasn’t the same presentation normal students get.  It was…this is what I’ve done, this is what I’ve been a part of.  Where do you see sports going in 20 years?  Do you know where the money in sports is? Where it’s going.  It was essentially a mini-lecture and it was captivating.  He discussed former players who still contact him, the businesses they were getting into and current players and the options they had in front of him.  I think RVB and Kovacs were two guys that were not going to fail at life because of the opportunities they had whether they chose football or not.  I think there was a Rangers player and M grad who was doing something big that he was a part of.  He also had hats around his office from all the professional teams he had worked with.  It works. (it is also how I can see why some parents would not be impressed with other schools presentations.  Sometimes a great teacher can entertain and blow you away, while others at different schools aren’t bad, just not comparable presenters.)

On day2 of a weekend visit, typically Sunday morning, recruits will meet with coaches again.  This is a bit more football oriented as they may watch film and coaches will generally show how they plan to use a particular player in their system. Or they may pull up highlights of the recruit and coach up their tape. (Think  Spider 3 Y Banana)  For Hand, Mattison was showing clips of all the things he did with Terrell Suggs, blitzing, coverage and illustrating how he’d be used on different formations and packages.  After that, the visit is pretty much wrapped up as parents/kids have to catch flights or drive back home.

I’m sure there are people who know more about compliance than I do and can offer more.  On UV, you MUST pay for everything.  Even meals in the facilities will be charged.  We paid to eat at the buffet at OSU. (the food was meh).  We ordered food at Schembechler and had to pay for our portions of it.  Even when no one is looking, someone is paying attention.  Maryland has a fantastic buffet and a patio on one end of the end zone where recruits can sit and watch the game.  On OV, 1 hotel room for parents, and 1 for the player is paid for.  Many charges are reimbursed, as opposed to paid for outright.  Compliance officers are around the entire time, for example making sure that the recruit comes back to his room at some point for the night if other people are in the room with him (for example a cousin or a teammate on an UV) otherwise it could be a violation.

There are any number of factors that play into a kid’s choice.  There are kids that take exception to not being offered early by certain schools.  Some kids are much more into the school than the coach, and will join a program with a coach on the hot seat.  There are a lot of kids who need stability and aren’t willing to risk uncertainty, whether it is a firing or taking another job, some kids will stay away from it.  Different schools have different atmospheres and it really depends on how you fit in. The vibe at OSU appeals to some kids.  There are some talented guys at OSU that would not fit in at Michigan. At VT, there were a lot of parents for Junior Day wearing camo.  That’s who VT is.  Maryland has an air of indifference to it.  Tennessee is an awesome environment. I met Jalen Hurd at OSU in 2012 and I could tell he wasn’t that kind of kid.  Tennessee is perfect for him. South Carolina under Spurrier was much more OSU than Michigan.  I don’t understand why every kid doesn’t want to go to Florida.  I have heard from more than 1 recruit that Florida has the best campus lifestyle of anyone. 

Keep in mind, the big schools have all the same stuff.  Great coaches, NFL experience, top notch facilities, women everywhere, good food, and a committed fan base. Many kids realize that they can get to the NFL going to any number of schools. Recruits have to nitpick reasons to not go.  I heard a recruit had a bad experience hanging out with the players from a school, so he marked them off the list. I know 3 top recruits who weren’t offered soon enough by a number of schools, and refused to put them back on the list.  Confusion about parking spots and security guards can eliminate a school as well. Proximity, people around a recruit….there was a top ten recruit who had people around him that pushed him to go to an instate school.  His coaching staff wanted one school, and his family and those associated with his family graduated from the other school.  There are so many factors that play into it, unless the kid is transparent, it really is impossible to predict. 

Comments

bcnihao

December 23rd, 2015 at 9:15 PM ^

The student-led tour process at every law school where I've taught involves groups of 15-20 prospective students, with each group led by a couple of 2Ls/3Ls who narrate the significance of the rooms and other landmarks that the prospects see, any specialized programs that the school offers, etc.  Maybe your experience was different.

canzior

December 23rd, 2015 at 10:26 PM ^

my friend.  When you were 18 and a senior in high school, girls are one of the most important things in life.  Getting laid by a high school girl and a college girl are different/ Don't underestimate how important it is.  Every recruit I have spoken with about visits has talked about the girls.

 

As far as Hoke, he is a great guy.  The first time I spoke with him was when he visited my friend Coach Harris, and was told that I was a big fan.  So John called me, and handed Hoke the phone and he talked with me for about 10 minutes.  He is everything you would expect.  He is the guy you would trust your kid with, because there is no question he cares about what he does.  He could succeed in a place like Wisconsin or a Notre Dame.  He isn't the kind of recruiter that can outmaneuver guys like Saban, Harbaugh, or Meyer, but with a strong brand behind him, he can pull in a top 20-25 class every year.

Not that my opinion matters, but I agree with him being in over his head.  Had he hired a better staff, then things most likely would be different.

bcnihao

December 24th, 2015 at 10:45 AM ^

thanks so much for posting your insights on the experiences of recruits.  Very illuminating.

Now, I'm curious about your reference to what would have happened if Hoke had hired a better staff. A gap in O-line recruiting under the previous (RR) regime hit the team hard in 2013-14, right?  (Bad memories of Gardner repeatedly running for his life.)  Is there really anything that a better staff under Hoke could have done about that?

Farnn

December 24th, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^

Ecept the talent development wasn't there.  Hoke recruited 2 top 6 classes and the team got worse and worse.  And I think you are already seeing the difference in recruiting under Harbaugh.  The current coaches are relentless and do not give up until the end as we have already seen with Walker and Bush.  Under Hoke they seemed to fade down the stretch and stop agressively pursuing the long shots, while this year they are sprinting to the finish and in the fight for Nauta (barely but not for lack of trying), Delance, Gary, Crawford, Davis, Long, and Hill.  Under Hoke Michigan would be lucky to get 1 of those guys, with Harbaugh it looks like they will get at least 3.

bcnihao

December 24th, 2015 at 7:05 PM ^

argument about talent development, but O-linement usually become starters in their RS Junior year, after they've been in the system for three years.  Many starters in 2013-14 were pressed into service much earlier than normal--because of the gap in O-line recruiting noted earlier.  I'm wondering what a better staff could have done with such raw talent in that sort of situation.

bcnihao

December 25th, 2015 at 11:28 AM ^

and the run-blocking wasn't all that impressive.  (Limited field vision displayed by some of the backs didn't help matters, of course.)  The pass-blocking continued to improve, but--honestly--how could it not continue to improve from 2013, when the interior O-linemen were so inexperienced?  I'm still looking for some explanation of what a better staff would have done to improve the O-line faster in 2013-14.

JFW

December 29th, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

"Getting laid by a high school girl and a college girl are different/ Don't underestimate how important it is.  Every recruit I have spoken with about visits has talked about the girls."

 

I know that I'll get negged into oblivion (bolivia is lovely this time of year, I hear), but I hate this. 

 

This isn't good for the recruits, likely isn't good for the girls. It just feels to much to me like prostitution. 

 

PopeLando

December 24th, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^

I don't know, man. Sure, some of it was sarcasm, but I'm pretty sure that high school guys who are here for academics wouldn't mind getting laid as well. If you want to take a clinical approach to it, a good recruiting coordinator probably wants to give a recruit as many endorphins as possible. Hype videos work for a reason. Sex works better... Also, I remember watching an interview with one of our former basketball stars (you can probably guess who). When asked about schools that provide extra recruiting perks, and girls to have sex with: "They better!" He chose to come here. The implications are clear, even though basketball is a sleazier world when it comes to recruiting. No personal experience as a recruited athlete. Just open eyes and a good deal of skepticism.

Harbaughs_Pants

December 23rd, 2015 at 11:05 PM ^

Holy Tower of Words Batman!

Very interesting read. Must have taken 2 hours to type all of that. I read it all. Thank You.

M-Dog

December 27th, 2015 at 7:09 PM ^

Canzior, will you ever make any more recruiting trips, or was this just a one-time coincidence with Hand? 

At the end of the day, what was the main reason he picked Alabama?  Was he going to go there all along and was just looking around until then?

ghostofhoke

December 29th, 2015 at 3:28 PM ^

You're the one who needs to learn reading comp. Why else would someone be lamenting over a recruit lost two years ago if it's not for some type of disappointment? What would a "one time coincidence" actually be? That a top kid went to arguably the best program in the last 50 years of college football? What explanation is still necessary?



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M-Dog

December 29th, 2015 at 5:04 PM ^

I was not lamenting.  I was curious what the deciding factor was given that Alabama was always Alabama, yet he favored Michigan until the very end.  What changed, or was there ever even anything to change?

I'm not butthurt at all, I think the dynamics of recruiting are quite interesting in a "who's going to go to the Prom with whom" sort of way.  Lot's of maneuvering until the very end as water seeks its own level.

Given that the Gary decision feels like a similar situation, it's instructional to hear about why Hand made the decision he did, when he did.

 

ghostofhoke

December 29th, 2015 at 6:49 PM ^

I disagree with the premise that there is any reliable or realistic way to assume you know what a 17 or 18 yr old favors or that any one recruiting process mirrors another. Nothing indicated Hand favored us other than a whole bunch of speculation by a ton of people who didn't know him on a personal level whatsoever. If you want to try to make any sense of the decision making process I suggest focusing on the absurdity of the speculation process leading up to the kid's final decision. Because short of a kid saying he's 100% committed and then signing a LOI to another school with no other indication, the dynamics are a mystery to everyone but the kid. As far as we know Michigan never led for Hand for even a minute and he wasn't ours to unexpectedly lose due to "maneuvering". People over think the impact that some event or factor might have beyond the fact that "It's Bama, it's always been Bama" and what else needs to be explained? The girls are hot, the weather is nice and the program wins basically everything and provides near certainty of going in the first round of the draft. Sounds pretty good.



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TheBlueAbides

December 28th, 2015 at 9:24 PM ^

Sounds much better than the two DII recruiting trips I took with a friend, I did get a bunch of stuff sent to me from both schools because i filled out paperwork saying I was a kicker. Needless to say they didn't look into it before sending it to realize I have never played a single down of organized football.

APGOBLUE

December 29th, 2015 at 11:47 AM ^

Did anyone catch marcus ray on 105.1 today telling any big time recruit should forget about the name on the front and the blue bloods and go to msu...he also said michigan was 2 plays away from being 7-5 I called in and told him msu was 2 plays away from being 9-3...unbelievable...i think he's just bitter that he didn't get a spot on harbaughs staff...

JFW

December 29th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

Just read the tweat. Thanks Marcus! 

MSU is very good. No question about that. I don't have to like it, but there it is. However... 5 stars should just 'go there'? It sounds like he's bending over backwards to make media waves. That's not cool. 

I could see some 5 stars wanting to go there; but Harbaugh is a great leveler. He's put a ton of guys in the NFL. 

carolina blue

December 29th, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^

I read the tweet, didn't hear it. Is it possible that it was taken out of context. For example, was he asked a question like "why doesn't Michigan State attract a lot of 5 star talent?" To which he answers "I don't know. They're a quality program. If you are a five star recruit you need to look at MSU..."

Is that possible?



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Glennsta

December 30th, 2015 at 11:27 AM ^

Putting aside the whole issue of why it's so damn important for them to get media approval, the Sparties ignore the hundreds of articles that get written every day that are complimentary to them and search out the one that is not 100% complimentary.  it doesn't matter how deep they have to dig to find the article, it can be written by nobody ever heard of before and that nobody has ever read before at a site or paper that nobody has ever mentioned before, it doesn't matter.

They then hold up the one article and proceed to complain that they are not respected. Then, significantly, they (cough.. Valenti) start taking swipes at Harbaugh, saying how he's never won anything.

Wonder why UM comes to their mind right away?

Don

December 29th, 2015 at 12:17 PM ^

and I don't have any problems with him or any other UM alum player making honest, fact-based criticisms of the program they played for, especially since he's now working for BTN.

However, there's a vast difference between that and saying outright that top level players should avoid his own alma mater and instead should play for one of the two biggest rivals from his playing days. If that's what he seriously intended to say, he's joined the Boren family as far as I'm concerned.

pappawolv

December 29th, 2015 at 12:52 PM ^

Unfortunately is starting to throw wild punches in order to get attention as an analyst since the B 10 Network is ratcheting down significantly his role. ...   He absolutely understands the perspective of a player and his X's and O's are legitimate.   Locked outta Schem now where he had access with Brady .

Doesn't have the TV presence to be on camera. Will get more "outrageous" as he is heard less.

Michigan4Harbaugh

December 29th, 2015 at 4:34 PM ^

Very informative and interesting! Who is this Canzior fellow? I don't recall seeing him around these parts before?