About the Fans

Submitted by MichiganMan2011 on

I'm probably going to be negbombed to Bolivia, but I have to get this off my chest.

I am a Michigan alum, and a rabid Wolverine for the past 8 years. I did not grow up rooting for the Wolverines, but I live & die by the Maize and Blue with the rest of them. Hell, my first game in the Big House was The Horror, and I'm still here so that has to count for something.

I was at The Game today. Honestly I can't blame the coaches and players too much. They are operating within the constraints forced upon them by situations outside of their control. They gave it their all, and for that they should always have a special place in the heart of Michigan's Faithful.

The biggest element I found lacking was the fanbase. From the start, the stadium was at least 25-35% Buckeyes. I know it's Thanksgiving weekend, but you won't see Ohio selling that many tickets to us when we're playing in Columus.

But even worse to me was the fact that the atmosphere just plain wasn't there. You could hear a pin drop on most Ohio downs. When they were running tempo, you could clearly tell that our fanbase was not prepared and had no idea about when to get loud. In full honesty, when they annouced the Slippery Rock score there was a bigger reaction than on Ohio third downs when our defense needed it the most. Not to mention the fact that the stairs were fully occupied with Michigan fans leaving from the beginning of the fourth quater onward at full tilt.

I don't mean to denegrate our fans, I honestly don't. But to put things in perspective, I went to the Alabama-LSU game this year and the difference is night and day.. If we ever want to be a "Great Team" we need to secure our home field advantage. It's one thing to have a great team, a great coaching staff, great traditions, a great campus. But if we can't turn the Big House into a place that strikes fear into opposing teams' hearts we will never truly be elite.

I hate people pointing out issues without proposing solutions, so I will propose a few. First, we need to stop selling tickets to opposing fans. How we do that in the age of Stubhub is a difficult task. The Mgoblog ticket list is a good start, but we need to do so at a larger scale. Maybe the Athletic Department could work on a fan-to-fan sales system where they could take a cut but still ensure tickets end up in the hands of Michigan fans. 

I also agree with Woodson -- The Game needs to be moved to 3:30 or a night start to encourage fans to get rowdy. The atmosphere shouldn't be like an afternoon picnic. It needs to be fierce and intimidating.

Lastly we need to take measures to get people loud when they're in the stadium. Encourage the people next to you to yell! There are times for talking (TV timeouts, halftime) and there are times for yelling (every down on defense). If we can't make use of the largest crowd in America then we are throwing away a vital advantage for our boys in Maize and Blue.

I may be preaching to the choir, or I may be pissing people off. Regardless, this is a message that needs to get out and be discussed seriously. It blows my mind that we can have a better atmosphere for a Penn State night game last year than we did for our most hated rival in a meanginful situation and Harbaugh's first year. Let the Team work on the X's and O's, but let's make sure we bring the heat and get back up our defense with the best damn home field advantage in all of sports.

Honestly our fanbase should be ashamed at the support we provided the team today, and we need to get real about fixing things.

-GS

PDX Blue

November 28th, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^

you may need to calibrate your guage of percentages. A decent Ohio State presence, yes. The fan and stadium experience was not the reason Michigan lost.

Bodogblog

November 28th, 2015 at 6:17 PM ^

Stadium was ready to be loud, and was very loud at times. But 369,000 rushing yards at 2700 yards per attempt is not conducive to loud monents. It's human/fan nature that you can't get up and loud for every play. I do, but don't expect everyone else to. When it's 3rd and 3 again and you know they're going to convert again, this is what happens.

stephenrjking

November 28th, 2015 at 7:10 PM ^

Good pics. They totally destroy your assertion. There are the usual visiting fan sections, which of course are almost entirely OSU fans. And there's the occasional red-clad fan scattered throughout the rest of the Stadium. It looks visible, because red is a loud color. But it's just a scattering. Nothing close to 20%, even remotely. Nothing like the last couple of seasons. And absolutely nothing that won't happen at every stadium for every team in America. I appreciate you posting your own pics, and I respect you sticking around the thread to continue discussion. Shows some integrity. But, from your pics, your assertion about visiting fans is 100% wrong.

stephenrjking

November 28th, 2015 at 6:18 PM ^

Dude, our defense got pulverized in the second half. Of course it was quiet. And of course there were some OSU fans there. Thanks to the color contrast, they're impossible to miss. You claim to have attended a big game in the SEC, so surely you noticed that there were thousands upon thousands of visiting fans? Pretty standard down there. I know it was true in every SEC game I went to. Look, the fans got punched in the mouth. That is not the time to evaluate whether or not it's a "first-class" fanbase, particularly in contrast with a team that is the defending national champion. This is just someone angry about a loss looking to turn the anger on any available target. Since nothing on the field is available, he has turned to the stands. As have others. I mean, I understand the frustration, but this is lame.

Drbogue

November 28th, 2015 at 6:19 PM ^

When the team can't execute in the third quarter, screaming on the tenth consecutive 3rd and 1 when everyone in the stadium knows they will get another 5 on an Ezikiel run, I find it hard to follow the "our excitement will change the outcome." Second half defensive performance was terrible. 3 down linemen? Really? It's like we dared them to run!



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Drbogue

November 28th, 2015 at 6:19 PM ^

When the team can't execute in the third quarter, screaming on the tenth consecutive 3rd and 1 when everyone in the stadium knows they will get another 5 on an Ezikiel run, I find it hard to follow the "our excitement will change the outcome." Second half defensive performance was terrible. 3 down linemen? Really? It's like we dared them to run!



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UofMfanJJ (not verified)

November 28th, 2015 at 6:20 PM ^

I was in the endzone by the Buckeye fans and Michigan fans were talking shit about me yelling as loud as I could every down on defense. The student section did. I gave up when I realized I was pretty much the only one yelling when it wasn't 3rd and long. But they did cheer pretty loud for that green S slippery rock. How do you even cheer for a green S in the Big House?

michman79

November 28th, 2015 at 6:21 PM ^

While I agree it is annoying to see all the red in the stadium today, you can't blame fans for being disheartened. Our defense didn't force a single punt. OSU had 2nd and short constantly and our front 7 got absolutely owned with that ridiculous 6-man front all day. The game plan was terrible and the defensive front looked like a MAC team today. No amount of screaming in the stands could have polished the humongous turd that Michigan put on the field today.

BlueinLansing

November 28th, 2015 at 6:21 PM ^

Michigan fans can tell when their team doesn't have it.  That was today, OSU's drive to start the 2nd half took the air out of the place, then they put the game away on the next drive.

 

Michigan fans aren't football dumb, they know whats going on.

WallyWallace

November 28th, 2015 at 6:22 PM ^

..in the biggest rivalry game in CFB. The coaches and players were were at least a bit to blame I suspect. The atomosphere will follow with not getting blown out, regardless of time slot.

mGrowOld

November 28th, 2015 at 6:24 PM ^

Selling tickets
I honestly think the people bitching about selling the tickets to OSU fans have never bought our sold a ticket on line in their life. There is no "which team are you a fan of" box to indicate your rooting preference on stubhub or any other online site. Just a box to place your bid and unfortunately the OSU fans bid higher it seems. Only a VERY small fraction of the tickets resold are conducted in person where you can identify rooting interest so if the place was actually that full of red blame Adam Smith, not your fellow season ticket holders.

Drbogue

November 28th, 2015 at 6:29 PM ^

I think the point is that why would you sell these tickets when the game actually had something on the line? I don't have season tickets because I don't live I town, but I think too many ticket holders look at $300-500 a ticket and think that they'd rather sell then show up. Being surrounded by Buckeyes today wasn't much fun. But guess what, my buddy GAVE me his tickets. Why? Because I'm a Michigan fan, I fly up from Florida every 2 years for the game, and he doesn't want to sell to Buckeyes. He can afford the tickets, the seat license, and he doesn't view his tickets as a money grab in November.



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Mabel Pines

November 28th, 2015 at 6:51 PM ^

I would never in a million years put mine on stub hub. If I cannot make it, I sell to people I know who are Michigan fans at face value. No donation. If you cannot afford them, don't buy them. And don't give me "I'm selling this game to make up for the season", because you know exactly who is buying your ticket in that case.

mGrowOld

November 28th, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^

100,000 different reasons I would guess.  Need money, family issues, illness, don't like cold, don't like noon games, worried about security....you name it.  I can tell you in the 36 years I had season tickets the only OSU game I missed was the 2013 game and that was because my Father-in-Law's funeral was that day.

But like I said.  When you post tickets for sale ANYBODY can buy them as long as their the highest bidder.  The idea that these tickets can be sold only to Michigan fans is nonsense but my guess is the OP has only ever seen tickets bought or sold on Stadium Blvd.

mtzlblk

November 28th, 2015 at 6:25 PM ^

There is no other stadium or fan base in the country that has a long running confrontation regarding "Down in front!"

Anywhere else, people are welcome to sit, but they don't get to tell everyone else to sit down and there isn't even a question about it.

GoBlueBill

November 28th, 2015 at 6:25 PM ^

Its hard to compare OSU fans coming to the big house to Michigan fans going to the Shoe.

OSU fans are assholes and I know many Michigan fans are fearful of going there . Because they are inbred ,  redneck,  morons and go beyond the pale to treat us poorly . Trash our vehicles , spit at us, throw beer at us, etc .

I certainly wont suggest we treat them as they do us. That would be stooping to their level. 

We do need to try our best to make sure Michigan fans get tickets to Michigan home games . Especially one as important as this one .

Maybe if we NEG them all to hell like that asshat above (VS) people will start thinking like a fan, and not an inconsiderate asshole .

Ok well at least it might help with that particular asshole in this case . Which is a start .

will

November 28th, 2015 at 10:01 PM ^

Do we want to be a polite or intimidating fan base? I'm not asking about intimidating to the opposing team, but to their fans... OSU fans take the atmosphere seriously, with the intention of discouraging opposing fans from attending. The results speak for themselves. Having a million locals who would all drop 120 for a non rivalry game any week probably helps too..

freejs

November 28th, 2015 at 10:12 PM ^

an intimidating, passionate environment. 

Being physically threatening or abusive (spitting, etc.) is an obvious place to draw the line. People who do that are sub-human. 

 

TripJ

November 28th, 2015 at 6:27 PM ^

The lack of support is a direct implication of our expectations. I know schools that would give thier endowments to have what we have. Our fans, and The University of Michigan in general, have the highest expectations regardless of reality. 

I'd argue that's why we have the greatest tradition in sports. We dont applaud almost. Only greatness. That audacity has led to more wins than anyone else thats walked on a D-I field.

So, the fans did exactly what they're suppose to. Expect.

Wolvereast

November 28th, 2015 at 6:28 PM ^

I had season tickets through the mid to late 90s into the early 00s, when Michigan had control of the rivalry.  Back then, there were still plenty of OSU fans in the stadium. The difference is that Michigan was winning the games...  so the Ohio fans shut the hell up and it was entertaining to watch them walking out with their heads hung down.  The same thing could happen again if Michigan would, you know, actually beat OSU.

 

 

WeimyWoodson

November 28th, 2015 at 6:29 PM ^

You're absolutely right. The crowd was not there at all. It felt like two years ago. Four years ago when Hoke won it was electric. I didn't feel any of that. Especially for it being a top ten match up! It was awful. There was hardly any energy there. Once there was the penalty for roughing the kicker it never felt positive again. There needs to be changes. - Noon is boring. It's old tradition that needs to end. 330 is when the crowd will be more excited. - Let go of bragging about beating OSU twenty years ago on the big screens while there is a tv timeout. Do you think that doesn't piss off the OSU players? In fact lose some of the Uncle Rico traditions just clinging onto the past. No wonder fan bases make fun of us. - When we're getting our asses kick stop playing The Victors every three seconds! We're not the victors of anything at that moment. Michigan needs to be brought into the 21st century. I believe Harbaugh can do it but they need to start making big strides. Before he came here we were about to disappear and become along the lines of a Minnesota. Here's to hoping things get better. Just tired of seeing OSU roll us year after year.

WeimyWoodson

November 28th, 2015 at 10:32 PM ^

You said you guessed I wasn't at the game. Hence don't buy a lottery ticket since you couldn't even get a 50/50 guess correct. Not a troll at all. I'm just saying I don't believe the stadium was nearly as excited as previous years which is crazy to me. I was in corner 5 in the 70s for my row,one seat from sideline 4. Lots of old people who just wanted to sit and watch the game. Some cheering for 3rd downs but for the most part it was lacking. Sorry I have a different opinion than you, voiced it, and got you all worked up.

jblaze

November 28th, 2015 at 6:30 PM ^

Sounded really loud on TV and I couldn't tell that there were a lot of Buckeyes at the stadium. I thought the atmosphere was awesome (on TV). The 2nd half was just because the fans gave up and were like F it. Can't blame them, I guess.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Jackhammer

November 28th, 2015 at 6:30 PM ^

I felt overall the fan base was good till midway 3rd quarter. At that point it was an emotional downward spiral as the realization that we just cannot stop their run game and we could not get a run game for the life of us.

I do believe I made some buckeye fan dang near deaf clapping like Brady Hoke behind him as loud as I could. Figured a win there would make me feel something positive! Didn't work but more beer worked.



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DetroitBlue

November 28th, 2015 at 6:34 PM ^

You're just completely wrong. No way 25% of the stadium was filled with OSU fans. I was there too and it was plenty noisy until about midway through the 3rd when it was clear we didn't have an answer for their run game. I'm all for enthusiasm, but if you're cheering like wild while we're getting our asses kicked play after play, you're doing it wrong



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gobluedave

November 28th, 2015 at 6:35 PM ^

Our fans have always been lame for the most part,  I've been going to games for 20 years.  Look around and you'll see 70% just sitting around and watching.  I guess if 30K of the other fans makes noise thats still a lot and it will sound kind of loud.  Most of our Alumns are too proud and proper tp be told what color to wear or look silly by screaming.

But sure as shit though they will stand for the band at halftime.  As soon as the ball kicks off, down in front.