Someone explain the incentive for scheduling tough OOC games

Submitted by Maizen on

Because as I see it even if Michigan wins out our loss to Utah will likely keep us out of the playoff. The day the comittee votes in a two loss team over a one loss team will be the day I'm convinced scheduling tough OOC opponents makes sense. Otherwise it just gives you more chances to lose and very little to gain.

michiganman001

October 20th, 2015 at 4:52 PM ^

Well you also have to be confident in your team. It is a major payoff if you win, and a lose is might not hurt too miuch if you are sucessful the rest of the season.

kb

October 20th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^

a weak ass SOS and get walloped in a playoff game or have a battle tested one that you know can go toe-to-toe with any team?

GoBlueNorthside

October 20th, 2015 at 5:01 PM ^

Fans want to make the playoffs

Fans want the programs to have lots of money

Fans want to watch interesting games

#1 and #3 are easily resolved if the conference champion gets to go the playoffs and the conference championship does not depend on OOC games (as it currently does). #2 may or not be an issue since better games bring in more money, but we'd have fewer home games.

LSAClassOf2000

October 20th, 2015 at 5:22 PM ^

Well, for those of us in the Big Ten, we won't be allowed to schedule FCS opponents beyond those already under contract beginning next year, I believe, and the move to a three-game OOC schedule (which must include at least one P5 game, as I recall)  combined with the manner in which playoff position is chosen now make it compelling to schedule tougher opponents. Even if you lose to a good team, that team can in turn play in a way to alter the perception of that loss drastically. I think it gives teams a bit of flexibility if people are going to be making the determination onrankings basically. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 20th, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^

It's not really OSU's fault that Virginia Tech has become a crappy program the last few years. Back when they scheduled that series, Tech was consistently a top-10 team. If you look at their schedule over the next 5-10 years, it's not like OSU is making an effort to only schedule cream puffs.



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UMinSF

October 20th, 2015 at 5:47 PM ^

How about because it's ridiculous to schedule and play grossly inferior opponents just to pad the W-L?

What is the fun (for fans or players) of crushing an obviously inferior opponent?  Yeah, yeah, Appy State, I get it.  Remember, in basketball a #16 has still NEVER beaten a #1.  

Mismatches are boring and immediately forgotten.  Games against real opponents are exciting, and the memory lasts forever.  Our NC games against Miami, FSU, UCLA, Colorado, and yes, ND are classics.

I'll never fly across the country to sleep through a game against Ball State.  Give me a real game anytime.  

College football is supposed to be fun. This year's non-conference schedule was fun.

cutter

October 20th, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^

With the Big Ten going to a nine-game conference schedule with the plan that the top teams from each division will play one another, the non-conference schedule is sort of a non-issue.  There's no real incentive to "schedule up".

More likely than not, Jim Hackett and Jim Harbaugh are going to opt to keep just one major Power 5 team on the schedule and have two pay for play games in the other non-conference schedule slots.

We'll know more once the 2018/9 schedules are firmed up.  U-M opens with Arkansas (home in 2018, road in 2019) both seasons and has SMU in 2018 (scheduled by Brandon) and Army in 2019 (scheduled by Hackdett).  Hackett and Harbaugh are going to be responsible for picking the third non-conference opponent for each of those seasons.

Also keep in mind that Wisconsin is on the schedule every year from 2016 to 2019.  Here's the list of Western Division opponents for those years:

2016 - Wisconsin (Big Ten season opener after bye week), Illinois, at Iowa

2017 - at Wisconsin (the Saturday before hosting Ohio State), at Purdue, Minnesota

2018 - Wisconsin, Nebraska (Big Ten season opener), at Northwestern

2019 - at Wisconsin (Big Ten season opener), at Illinois, Iowa

Seeing that Wisconsin is the B1G season opener in 2018 and 2019, I have to imagine Hackett/Harbaugh are going to look for pay to play opponents those seasons--probably a team from the Mountain West or American Athletic Conference given recent history.

And yes, folks, the 2018 home schedule will include Arkansas, SMU, Nebraska, Maryland, Wisconsin, Penn State, Indiana and one TBD non-conference opponent.  That's eight home games and only four on the road (at Northwestern, at Michigan State, at Rutgers and at Ohio State).

I will be curious to see if Hackett and Harbaugh keep Washington and Virginia Tech on the 2020/1 schedule.  Given the nine-game Big Ten schedule and the plan to have the top teams in the two B1G divisions match up with one another, it might make sense to drop the UDub or VaTech home-and-home series and replace it with a couple of pay for play opponents from a non Power 5 conference.

 

 

Jeff94

October 20th, 2015 at 6:51 PM ^

The 1997 team should've won an undisputed national championship because of the strength of schedule. Instead, Nebraska won a share of the title even though they needed an illegal miracle kick catch against Mizzou to stay undefeated.

ghostofhoke

October 20th, 2015 at 7:00 PM ^

I don't know, maybe ask Baylor and TCU. Stop using one damn hypothetical that still needs about 1000 things to happen in order to occur vs the hard truth of what actually DID happen last year. I swear to god it's like we have a bunch of middle school kids creating our threads. What the hell has happened to this place? Seriously.



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bjk

October 20th, 2015 at 7:03 PM ^

exciting football games between strong teams are better than dreary charades involving preposterously mis-matched opponents, even if they happen before the national championship game. After all, there arent' enough bad teams for every game before the playoff to be a boring formality.

Class of 1817

October 20th, 2015 at 9:04 PM ^

against quality programs.

That's the incentive.

It determines how good your football team is. 

That's the incentive.

Iron sharpens iron.

That's the incentive.

How it relates to this year's playoff and Utah is irrelevant. If we had beaten a cupcake as opposed to losing to Utah, that doesn't put us in the top 4 teams in the country.

 

HerbieGreen

October 21st, 2015 at 12:18 AM ^

Lol, was Utah even a power 5 opponent when it was scheduled?  Don't know how far lower you could go to duck the competition in advance.

JamieH

October 21st, 2015 at 1:00 AM ^

Very little incentive.  It is set up to reward teams for going undefeated, period.   That's why they should expand it to 8 and make the conference champs auto-bids.  Then everyone could schedule whoever they wanted in the OOC without worrying that one early season loss was going to torpedo their entire season. 

drzoidburg

October 22nd, 2015 at 8:16 PM ^

Well that certainly wasn't any different when the polls ruled. There were years a team with ZERO ranked opponents would get into the MNC game. At least the committee ranked unbeaten florida st behind a couple one loss teams I think it should be obvious the only thing that will compel teams to schedule honorable competition is losing $. That's happening to an extent and i expect it will escalate as the non P5 teams suffer even more disadvantages As far as playoff expansion, i'm for this only if it's capped at 8 and the first round is on campus.

Mpfnfu Ford

October 21st, 2015 at 1:37 AM ^

Because they're die hard, they'll show up to East Alabama Tech in a storm and watch. But if you actually want to keep filling that big ol' stadium, you've got to schedule out of conference games that people want to see, especially when something called "Rutgers" and Maryland are on the home slate every other year with no way out of that.

Also the Big 10 is still a dumpster fire aside from the top 3 schools. Nebraska has set itself on fire because its fans don't realize that they made the biggest screw up ever leaving Texas and turning themselves into Uppity Iowa in the Big 10. Wisconsin seems to have finally screwed up a coach hire. Minnesota's preseason hype turned out to be a cruel joke on people with funny accents.

This is not a conference where the schools can afford to schedule the school of the blind OOC.

Avon Barksdale

October 21st, 2015 at 9:04 AM ^

The incentive is to win the game like Alabama does every year. If you do that, you don't have anything to worry about. The only reason we care is because we haven't won a big regular season OOC/ND game in a long time. BYU is probably our best OOC win in, what, at least ten years?

In that time, we've lost to Utah three times, Oregon, and Alabama. If we start winning those games, scheduling tough OOC games would be a HUGE boost in program momentum (playoff chances, ranking, recruiting, etc. etc.)

Pit2047

October 21st, 2015 at 9:11 AM ^

It's basically the tie breaker between 1 loss teams. Go undefeated and you're in but if you trip up along the way respectable OOC schedule could save you.

drzoidburg

October 22nd, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^

Is the playoff really everything? The odds of making it are slim no matter what, so how about scheduling games that at least have the potential to be remembered and talked about 20 years from now. As it stands, the only way the shitbag games can accomplish that is if the P5 team loses