OT: How do you "shop" for a private HS? Best in SE Mich.?

Submitted by uchi on

For those familiar with the Michigan private school landscape, how does a family determine, for example, Detroit Country Day over Cranbrook, Roeper, Greenhills, Liggett, Notre Dame Prep, UofD-Jesuit, & Brother Rice/Marian? I'd like to say it's largely geographical, but I know families that lived in Bloomfield Hills and sent the boys to UofD-Jesuit, Grosse Pointe families that drove the kids all the way to Country Day, and Detroit proper families that commuted to Cranbrook. And there are apparently a decent amount of Ann Arbor families that send their boys to Catholic Central in Novi, over nearby FGR and Greenhills.

Is there really much academic difference between these schools, or is it a reputation and "so and so's go to X, so and so's go to Y" sort of thing?

LooseLaces16

August 17th, 2015 at 9:11 PM ^

I graduated from DeLaSalle in 2008 and am extremely glad I did. Having said that, I wouldn't send my kids there. It WAS a great school, until the current principle took over and ran it into the ground with his narcissism.  If and when I have kids I would send them to either Catholic Central or Ligget. I'm an east sider and would still prefer the long drive to Novi over sending my son to LaSalle if I were to go the parochial route.

NittanyFan

August 17th, 2015 at 9:21 PM ^

Unfortunately, I've heard that a LOT through the grapevine over the past 10 years.  I too would not currently recommend DLS.  Definitely time for him to go.

I am a DLS alum too but a MUCH older fart (1993).  Brother Tom was the principal during my run.  I liked him, and he is/was a U-M alum.  He did give me a little bit of good-natured crap for not going to U-M, haha (accepted to UMAA but wanted to move away from Michigan & Detroit a bit).

johnvand

August 17th, 2015 at 10:28 PM ^

Late 90's DLS grad here, and that makes me sad.  We had a pretty amazing principal in Br. Joe Joswiak back then.  

I grew up in a public school district that had virtually no advanced placement offerings.  All the AP math/science and computer science that I was able to take at DLS set me up so well for college and beyond.

MGoBrewMom

August 17th, 2015 at 9:10 PM ^

1. Internet research 2. Interview the school/administrators 3. Talk to parents 4. Make a determination regarding the fit for you, your kid, and logistics. smh--you really don't know how to research a school? If you want "best" define what makes it "best" for you.

notYOURmom

August 17th, 2015 at 9:15 PM ^

Honestly they will prepare your kid well for college. They all have pretty equivalent records if you are looking for what my kid calls "fffancy colleges."

if you visit and your kid doesn't fall for one or another, pick the one that is closest. Otherwise you and kid will never sleep and never see each other and you'll know no one. Life is too short for a commute even when you are like 14

Ps of those DCD has the only football team, I believe, but they got a 300 lb OT into Harvard this year. He was a really awesome kid in every respect

andre10

August 17th, 2015 at 9:20 PM ^

Which I believe is an amazing high school.

However, a lot of the ones you listed are good, and honestly I wouldn't go to any that are more than a 20-30 minute drive away

 

But in all honesty, if you are in a decent school district (Rochester, Ann Arbor, Bloomfield, Troy, etc) just send em to public school and pay for their college tuition down the road.

mackbru

August 17th, 2015 at 9:19 PM ^

The two best private schools, purely in terms of academics and national reputation, are Cranbrook and The International School. Both are located in the same general area. Both are widely considered top ten nationally. Country Day is definitely a couple steps behind academically.

Augger

August 18th, 2015 at 1:18 PM ^

I used to work at IA, it isn't impossible to get into to. Admissions is a pure lottery anyone can get in. Staying in once you get there is a whole different proposition. It is the most challenging school in the state, the standards are incredibly high. It blows DCD and Cranbrook out of the water, and I graduated from DCD, so I know what the private schools can offer. Finally it's free. If you want the best go there, if your kid doesn't make the lottery then look at the other schools.

notYOURmom

August 17th, 2015 at 9:25 PM ^

It depends on what you want for your kid. The IB program is hard and not the only way to prove your mettle to colleges.

Here's a good stat to ask for at all of these places: What is the percent of kids starting in 9th that graduate with the class 4 years later; a low rate indicates people giving up and transferring. Like an APR

Same goes when you look for colleges

snarling wolverine

August 17th, 2015 at 9:27 PM ^

I can tell you that Roeper is philosophically very different from all of the others on that list - it's very similar to Community High School in Ann Arbor if you know what that's like (call teachers by their first name, that kind of thing).  At the same time it remains a rigorous academic environment.  I think it's a pretty amazing place for your kid to grow intellectually and emotionally, but it is very expensive (though there is financial aid).

dRich

August 17th, 2015 at 9:25 PM ^

At any dilapidated city we have 5 days a week... They will learn survival, how to become thrifty, economics 101, sales, why not to do drugs. Hands on Life skills... That's what they need. Not this boosie bull and complex math you won't ever use. COME ON THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN!

Space Bat

August 17th, 2015 at 9:32 PM ^

I went to Brother Rice, my sister went to Cranbrook- I wish I went to Cranbrook. It's hard to beat. Beautiful campus, amazing academics, and great networking/name recognition.. My sister made quite a few meaningful contacts with people her teachers put her in touch with, and had her choice of top tier colleges to attend.

uchi

August 17th, 2015 at 9:47 PM ^

It seems clear Cranbrook has the most name recognition and the most beautiful campus, but it doesn't seem like every family applies or even considers sending their child(ren) there. Are there things many prospective families don't like about CK? There are plenty of wealthy NDP and DCDS families who can easily afford the extra CK tuition, but don't bother.

Space Bat

August 17th, 2015 at 9:57 PM ^

Sports would be the main deterrent for many prospective students- while cranbrook's hockey team is decent last I checked they definitely value academics over athletics. My sister also focused on art in her time there, which is one thing Cranbrook takes very seriously. I would simply recommend seeing what your child's interests are and try to find the best fit based on that.. If it's sports- DCD is the obvious choice.Ottherwise, there are more factors to take into consideration.

Leaders And Best

August 17th, 2015 at 10:57 PM ^

It is not as simple as being able to pay the tuition. You need to be admitted. This was probably a bigger issue 30-40 years ago when the Detroit economy was healthy.

I don't think Cranbrook was very welcoming to minorities and immigrants in the past.  Country Day filled that void as many Jewish and Asian families opted to send their children there, and it snowballed as other families in those communties felt more comfortable there. I don't know the actual statistics, but I was always under the impression that Country Day was the more diverse student body.

Chris S

August 17th, 2015 at 9:34 PM ^

Honestly, sports have a lot to do with it. If you want your kid to be guaranteed to be on a team, then the smaller schools are the answer. If you or your kid are serious about your sport, then bigger schools like Country Day and U of D are better choices.

Obviously, there are always exceptions - for instance, if a really good coach lands at a small school. But in general, this is how I see it. Athletes from De La Salle and Brother Rice seem to be a lot more competitive than athletes from smaller schools like Shrine and Foley.

Michigan Eaglet

August 17th, 2015 at 9:41 PM ^

The Catholic League Central Division schools (CC, Brother Rice, De La Salle, U of D and OLSM) are probably the best division in the state for football. Some of them vary a lot in size (CC has over 1000 kids and OLSM has 350-450ish), but they definitely are the most competitive. As far as making a team, I'm pretty sure every Central division school is no cut for freshman and JV levels of football, so you don't have to worry about making a team at any of them. Coaching is the difference for sure. I was coached by Jermaine and James Gonzalez at St. Mary's and a few other guys that played college when I first started there. It was kinda unreal to get coaching from people that played at such high levels as a freshman who had never played before.

Michigan Eaglet

August 17th, 2015 at 9:34 PM ^

OLSM #1 in Michigan.

But in all honesty, the best way to see which is right is to schedule a visit or go to a few open houses and talk to faculty and staff and parents. Shadowing is a great way to have you kid go through a full day with another student see the school sort of "behind the scenes" from what you get from a website or just talking to a counselor. I highly recommend shadowing if at all possible.

LKLIII

August 17th, 2015 at 9:38 PM ^

I attended Roeper as a young kid, but after awhile my parents had reservations about how "free form" it was. Maybe it's changed, but at least in the lower grades years ago they'd let me focus all day on my interests at the time like math and science, but then my reading and english started slipping. They pulled me and put me at Kingsbury (feeder to Cranbrook) for a year. But I grew up in Rochester, so by 4th grade my folks just stuck me in the public schools and I turned out just fine. Part of it was the rationale of "why pay this money for our property and property taxes and not avail ourselves to the good schools." The other concern my dad in particular had was that we had some money but not THAT much money. He was concerned that at a place like these private schools, if I ever got into trouble with sons of senators and CEOs, I'd be the guy thrown under the bus because my folks didn't donate the new wing of the library. Plus, although Rochester public schools certainly aren't diverse or worldly, they are at least somewhat less sheltered then the private schools. Anyway, I'd just create a list of the pros & cons including your local public schools and go with the best mix. Tours and comfort level are important. At the end of the day though, usually the parents and family priority/support for education trumps the environment the kids are in. I think once you get that echelon of schools it's pretty much splitting hairs.



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