Anyone putting OSU in top 4 is a JOKE
Navy, Virginia Tech, Kent State, Cincinnati, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Illinois, Michigan State, Minnesota, Indiana, Michigan.
That schedule is hot garbage. That list includes TWO teams that don't flat out suck.
TCU is #4 with a bullet. They've played SEVEN legitimate teams.
It's a damn joke that this is even a conversation.
November 30th, 2014 at 12:58 AM ^
I see no scenario where OSU beats Alabama with Cardale Jones.
November 30th, 2014 at 12:34 AM ^
OSU isn't getting in unless Bama loses to Mizzou, TCU loses to Iowa State, Oregon loses to Arizona, or FSU loses to Georgia Tech.
And even if Bama loses, I still don't see them bowing out of the top 4 unless they get blown out. Oregon and FSU I can see blowing it, though.
November 30th, 2014 at 12:38 AM ^
Baylor being *ultimately* ahead of TCU because of the 3 point head to head win and then OSU being in above Baylor.
Just in the last few hours, I've heard that from Rod Gilmore, Danny Kannell, Heather Dinich, and Kirk Herbstreit (who cleverly took a week off from putting OSU in top 4, but explained this was temporary).
Honestly, I think many of you simply aren't vigilant enough about hating OSU.
November 30th, 2014 at 12:45 AM ^
I swear, it's like people don't listen closely enough.
It's a travesty that people are suggesting OSU over TCU.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:57 AM ^
lol @ Holth...I see what you did there
November 30th, 2014 at 12:36 AM ^
is way overblown between TCU and Baylor?
Baylor looks like absolute horseshit week after week.
TCU loses by 3 at their place in a wild game in October.
TCU has beaten the SHIT out of a number of pretty decent teams.
I've watched most of their games, and I've watched as much Baylor as I can stomach.
To me, there's no comparison between the two teams.
November 30th, 2014 at 12:41 AM ^
IIRC Baylor even got lucky with a very iffy PI call late that kept their drive alive. TCU's defense is a little hot-and-cold but I bet the beat Baylor in a best of 7 series
November 30th, 2014 at 12:44 AM ^
I mean, most of this is that I hate Ohio State, but I don't want to see Baylor in a 4 team playoff. I think they're not that good. I don't think they belong. I don't think they have two good enough sides of the ball.
I think TCU is a good team on both sides of the ball and will make a legitimate showing in a 4 team playoff.
I think they belong and they've shown it.
November 30th, 2014 at 12:49 AM ^
I get what you're saying but shouldn't head to head results count for something? If Baylor and TCU both finish 11-1, it'll be interesting to see what the committee does.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:00 AM ^
but I think Baylor's cashed that chit in and is still far in arrears.
Sure it counts, but you win by 3 points at your place in October, and then look dog shit week in week out, are markedly unfavorable in all the common match ups, while the other team really shows out against a tough schedule - I think the committee has it right currently, and it should stay right.
Personally, I kind of think I'd happily lay money on KSU vs. Baylor (I think Baylor's going to lose and moot this all), but I also think that short of Baylor really taking it to KSU and making a statement, it's gotta be TCU over Baylor.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:05 AM ^
had beaten TCU in a flukey method and then stumbled to victories in the Big 10 to finish 12-1, everyone one this board would be screaming UM should be ahead of TCU because of the head to head results.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:14 AM ^
but we've been told this is the new era of the playoff, the committee, the eye test, style points really mattering, etc.
This isn't as simple as, say the comparison between us and Florida back in the day.
Also, it's different if you really are comparing three - like TCU, Baylor, OSU. Then it's not just about head to head, but about who stands out among those three.
And this is also now about filling out a 4 team playoff - I think a 4 team playoff with TCU in it is a much more attractive proposition than a 4 team playoff with Baylor coming in at the #4 spot.
I would probably feel different if that head to head was at a neutral site or at TCU - but it wasn't, and the result was close and flukey.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^
Here's Baylor's OOC schedule: They beat 0-11 SMU, 6-6 Northwestern State (who has such signature victories against such teams as Incarnate Word and Nichols State) and 6-5 Buffalo, who almost beat Eastern Michigan.. I do think that will also, as it should, work against Baylor.
November 30th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^
is very similiar They also played SMU and a 1AA team. Instead of Buffalo, they played Minnesota which is a feather in TCU's cap. At the end of next week though, TCU and Baylor's SOS will probably be very similiar.
November 30th, 2014 at 3:19 AM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 4:02 AM ^
Champions League, european football - first it's round robin pool play, then it's head to head with one leg played at one pitch and the next leg played at the other pitch, and then the final two standing play one game winner takes all.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:54 AM ^
You beat me to it. First thing I thought when I read the post is tOSU deserves to be in a conversation with TCU and Baylor... throw nt MSU in the same debate too now that they have been exposed.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:16 AM ^
Does Ohio ever have a decent schedule in football or basketball. It seems like they always play the crappiest teams in both sports in the non conference.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:27 AM ^
They did home and home with Texas and USC during the later Tressell years. The VaTech game was scheduled a while ago - when VaTech was actually still a good program.
2016/17 - home and home with Oklahoma.
2018/19 - home and home with TCU.
2020/21 - home and home with Oregon.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:23 AM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:31 AM ^
is not one of the top 4 teams in the country and I doubt they are one of the top 10. WI will beat them in the B1G championship game.
I just can't wait until we get a good HC to turn thing around to compete with OSU and MSU in this division.
I would love to get Harbaugh but my guess is it will be Miles who will take our HC job.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:32 AM ^
Honestly I don't care what OSU is ranked. All of the choices are good.
- They get spanked by Wisconsin. Most likely scenario in my mind, end of discussion.
- They manage to beat Wisconsin, are left out of final four. Karma.
- They manage to beat Wisconsin, make it into final four, and are spanked by Alabama. Shuts up OSU a bit. Something like ND making it to the MNC a few years ago.
I don't think even the most delirious OSU fan could see them run the table and win out. For the sake of the Big 10, I would prefer that OSU get beat soundly by Wisconsin. It would reflect poorly on the Big 10 to make it and then be humiliated by a much better team.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:54 AM ^
<p>is not one of the top 4 teams in the country and I doubt they are one of the top 10. WI will beat them in the B1G championship game.</p>
<p>I just can't wait until we get a good HC to turn thing around to compete with OSU and MSU in this division.</p>
<p>I would love to get Harbaugh but my guess is it will be Miles who will take our HC job.</p>
November 30th, 2014 at 1:55 AM ^
You guys are nuts if you think OSU will get left out after beating a top 10 Wisconsin. The only way Barrett's injury could have effected voting is if the UM game was their last game. Everybody will get to see Jones play next week, and if they lose then the point if moot. If they win, then Jones probably played at least a decent game, and they'll jump TCU.
And TCU has by no means dominated their games. They could have easily lost to WVU and Kansas...two pretty bad teams.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:34 AM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^
Talk about a troll. Who would ever consider a victory against a 6-6 team that was blown out by BYU a statement win? WVU is not a good team either. So what if they hung with Alabama? You know who else did, a terrible Tennesee team and a terrible Florida team.
At the time they scheduled OOC, I'm sure the likelyhood that VT would be good was much greater than Minnesota. Hell, even heading into the two games, those two teams probably looked equal. The rest of TCU's OOC schedule SMU and Samford is just as bad, if not worse, than Kent state, Navy and Cincinnati.
And love the records at the time that you throw in there to skew the argument. Who gives a shit that Oklahoma state was 5-2 at the time when they are now 5-6. Should ND get credit for beating an undefeated Michigan team? Your good/impressive wins come against a 7-6 WVU team, a 5-6 oklahoma state team and an 8-3 Oklahoma team. So really only one good win out of those three.
As of right now, OSU beat the #10 and #18 ranked teams (rankings as of this week)
TCU beat the #12, #18 and #20 with one of them OOC (Minny)
If OSU beats Wiscy next week, they will have played a comparable number of top 25 teams.
Obviously the big thing that stands out is the loss to VT is much much worse than the loss to Baylor and all else being equal, that seems like it should be the deciding factor not the asinine, skewed arguments you are making above.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:30 AM ^
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November 30th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
I swear, the saddest thing is actually the obsession with what "makes us look like RCMB" or whatever the fuck that place is.
Why is West Virginia on the road a quality win? You can't just dismiss hanging with the #1 team ESSENTIALLY ON THE ROAD, because you feel like it. And get bent with your Tennessee and Florida comparables. Tennessee was down to Alabama 34-17 when the fourth quarter started, never got closer than 27-17 (after being down 27-0, AT HOME) and never threatened in the football game. Whereas WVU had the game in doubt deep into the fourth quarter. But yeah, same thing. Florida lost 42-21, but yeah, same thing.
West Virginia also beat Baylor by two freaking touchdowns, AT HOME. You know, the place where they also lost by only 6 to K State - while turning the ball over 4 times and getting zero points on three red zone possessions. So yeah, I don't think West Virginia sucks, and particularly not at home.
And if you can't give credit to Texas for being a much better team than the one that was blown out by BYU (gee, couldn't have had anything to do with Strong having to kick so many guys off the team), then you sure as shit find OSU's loss to VT fatal. Because, you know, that's who OSU is. Texas was 4-1 in their last five prior to meeting TCU and the game before that had taken OU down to the wire at Oklahoma. Texas was at most a one touchdown underdog in the game.
And yeah, sure, it means nothing that Oklahoma State was the #15 team in the country coming into that game and that it was a showdown game that was won in a rout.
But I'm the troll.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^
mostly the "oh my goodness, but how will we LOOK" crowd.
These are not complicated explanations. WVU was a better than average team, and arguably a strong team at home.
Texas under Charley Strong went through the most public internal bloodletting we've seen in years. It was acknowledged and covered widely by all forms of media.
ESNY's comparison to the Tennessee and Florida games were weak. Both teams got stuffed. Whereas WVU had Alabama sweating it deep into the fourth quarter.
Your explanations are the ones that have to dig deep. Because Lord knows you have to dig deep to explain why you're the number 4 team in the country but had to go to overtime to beat PSU. Or why you lost to awful Va Tech.
This isn't hard.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^
Fact. WV is a shitty team. Oklahoma St is a shitty team. Texas is a shitty team. Feel free to make as many excuses as you want but you can't deny that Texas is 6-6, Oklahoma St is 5-6 and WV is 7-5
November 30th, 2014 at 5:46 PM ^
Here are the facts - these are the comparable opponents:
Baylor -- Michigan State
Kansas State -- Wisconsin
Oklahoma -- Minnesota
Minnesota -- Cincinnati
West Virginia -- Rutgers
Texas -- Maryland
Oklahoma State -- Penn State/Michigan
Feel free to rerank or switch out any of the teams on the right for any of your alternatives if you think you can squeeze any blood from that turd.
You seem to be strongly opinionated. Well, I'm comfortable putting myself before the court with the claim that the teams on the left are flat out better than the teams on the right.
Peace out, jerk.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:01 AM ^
I thought OSU would struggle with Wisconsin whether Barrett played or not. I'm not sure if their offensive output will really even change much. Perhaps in the passing game. I just thought the Wisconsin run game goes against a weakness in the OSU defense and they'd be able to control the line of scrimmage, time of possession etc. We'll see though, could be a very interesting game.
November 30th, 2014 at 2:57 AM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 3:57 AM ^
I don't give a fuck what you think is a bad look.
I hate Ohio State AND also think they are completely unworthy of the #4 spot unless there is a major change above them.
Hating Ohio State is nothing to be ashamed of - it's a mark of good character.
I swear, though, this fanbase has more stupid and more self-consciousness about it than any I've been a part of.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^
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November 30th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^
Man, you are like an RCMB mouth-breather and obessing like little brother. you need to calm down and begin to think rationally.
November 30th, 2014 at 1:22 PM ^
this is just a blog and I guarantee you that between the two of us, you spend a lot more time thinking about RCMB than I do.
Heck, I need to triple check the acronym, that's how little I give a fuck what anyone in some diseased corner of the internet is saying about Michigan or Michigan fans.
November 30th, 2014 at 3:07 AM ^
I'm not nearly as high on B12 teams as the OP is but I do recognize the PR campaign to get tOfu into the playoff. This year's choices will show us whether this committee is just a pawn of ESPN. After all, ESPN will benefit greatly from having ohio play rather than TCU.
November 30th, 2014 at 3:23 AM ^
November 30th, 2014 at 3:40 AM ^
And Baylor OOC played SMU, Northwestern State (?) and Buffalo. Meanwhile, TCU played Samford, Minn and SMU. These are not stellar out of conference opponents, save for the Minnesota game. And of the 10 teams in the Big 12 conference, 5 have a .500 record or below, while in the Big 10 10 of 14 teams have a .500 or above record. Not saying Baylor and TCU arn't good, just not jumping on this "they're great" bandwagon...
November 30th, 2014 at 4:20 AM ^
that
Baylor
Kansas State
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Texas
even Oklahoma State
would not do serious damage in the Big Ten?
Remember, that's the comparison.
Compare those teams to
Michigan State
Minnesota
Maryland
Rutgers
Penn State
Michigan
That's pretty much the in-conference part of the comparison.
Left out Kansas/Texas Tech/Iowa State vs. Indiana/Illinois, as all these teams suck, although Texas Tech is probably the belle of that bunch.
I don't think it's close regarding which conference is better.
And I don't think overall records and who is .500 and who is not are meaningful in the slightest way. I know Big Ten teams schedule some big time cupcakes. WVU opened with Alabama, FYI. Oklahoma State scheduled FSU. Texas Tech scheduled Arkansas. Kansas State scheduled Auburn, and even Kansas scheduled Duke.
November 30th, 2014 at 4:24 AM ^
but I've been watching a bunch of games from both conferences, and my eyeball test says the level of play in the Big 12 is much higher this year than the level of play in the Big Ten.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:28 AM ^
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November 30th, 2014 at 9:34 AM ^
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November 30th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
because OSU (just like us) got the shit version of the Big Ten schedule!
They're going to get Wisky, but they missed Iowa and Nebraska.
November 30th, 2014 at 3:54 AM ^
It'll be interesting to see how the selection committee treats Ohio State on Tuesday, since we know Barrett's gone for the rest of the year. Basketball punishes teams in seeding/gives credit to teams based on knowledge that a key player is coming back/going to be gone all tourney due to injury. Stands to reason football would too, but it's uncharted ground.
November 30th, 2014 at 5:44 AM ^
OSU is going to send Melvin Gordon to NYC with a chance to beat Mariotta, and Wisconsin will represent the B1G in the Not Rose Bowl.