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Buckeye fan take:
Did…

Buckeye fan take:

Did Stalion break the letter of the law? Definitely. Does every team try to steal signs in some way? Also, definitely. What I think is really going to hurt Michigan and Harbaugh here is how many times Harbaugh has accused others of cheating or bending the rules and how pious he's acted about he and Michigan not doing it. Such as:

"Play by the rules," Harbaugh told the media. "You want to be above reproach, especially when you’re good, because you don’t want people to come back and say, 'They're winning because they’re cheating.' That’s always going to be a knee-jerk reaction in my experience, since I was a little kid.

"We want to be above reproach in everything and do everything by the rules. If you don’t, if you cheat to win, then you've already lost, according to Bo Schembechler. And Bo Schembechler is about next to the word of God. It’s not the word of God, but it’s close."

And -

“If the Georgia coach is implying any intent on our part to break rules, he is barking up the wrong tree,” Harbaugh tweeted on Feb. 24, 2016, after Kirby Smart suggested the NCAA would be forced to step in after Michigan held spring practice at IMG Academy.

Harbaugh branding himself as the coach who does everything the right way while so many others are not is going to bite Michigan here. My personal opinion is that this whole ordeal is being somewhat blown out of proportion, but it will stay relevant because of the brand Harbaugh tries to create for himself. People love being able to call someone a liar.

Top 3 CBs are out. 

Top 3 CBs are out. 

I mean... you could probably…

I mean... you could probably say this about 30 schools.

Time is a flat circle.

Time is a flat circle.

And yet, Michigan would take…

And yet, Michigan would take two of years of Fields as their QB in a heart beat. ?‍♂️

Elite offensive efficiency.

Elite offensive efficiency.

Penn State and it's not…

Penn State and it's not close. Beer thrown at me prior to the game, food during the game, and had a fan try and start a fight with me after. I've been to OSU-UM games at Michigan and always have a couple experiences with fans that are bad, but it's not the majority of fans around me like at Penn State.

Fun topic to piss of Penn State fans is to remind them that they aren't OSU's rival. They get absolutely furious and feel slighted.

I copied and pasted from the…

I copied and pasted from the article before Seth changed it. He originally said "good".

Also the receiving corps…

Also the receiving corps might be as good (if not as talented) as Ohio State's.

So while I think Michigan's WR room may end up being the second best in the conference, there is literally no coach or analyst in the country who would agree with this statement.

Why? Dobbins came in at OSU…

Why? Dobbins came in at OSU and started from Day 1. Even when Weber came back from injury, Dobbins was RB1. From a UM perspective, it would be a mistake to redshirt Donovan.

Heavyweights reference =…

Heavyweights reference = automatic upvote.

Early front runner is…

Early front runner is probably CJ Stroud. He was Day's to choice to go in when Fields had to come out for a play or two. But it will probably be a tough competition with Jack Miller and Kyle McCord. Day seems very high on McCord, targeting him very early in the cycle as his choice.

Comparing a potential head…

Comparing a potential head injury (Morris) to a shot to the midsection (Fields)? Bit of a stretch here. Shane Morris looked like he didn’t know where he was. Fields was completely cognizant of his choice.

It is a strange class for UM…

It is a strange class for UM. Seem to have some help coming on offense, but no DTs and just one CB. 

Literally everyone inside…

Literally everyone inside the OSU AD, especially Day, thinks Hafley is a rockstar. Besides Saban, Dabo, or Urban, this hire would scare Buckeye fans more than anyone.

My thoughts just now, in…

My thoughts just now, in order:

1. Jesus, I've been lurking here and occasionally posting for almost ten years.

2. How the hell has this altercation not happened previously?

3. (Checks our MGoPoints) Ah, we rarely post.

4. Damn, that's a great avatar.

5. No.

There will be plenty of…

There will be plenty of people say that UM is ducking OSU. There will be plenty of people complain that OSU shouldn't make the Big Ten Championship. But most of all, fuck 2020. Hope everyone comes out of this healthy and ready to go for 2021.

Some perspective:

When OSU…

Some perspective:

When OSU and MSU fans hope Harbaugh stays forever, that should mean something to UM. 

Singer Porsche 911 via Road…

Singer Porsche 911 via Road and Track. Love everything Singer puts out.

From a Buckeye perspective,…

From a Buckeye perspective, the only surprise really was Hill. The Chargers got a steal and they even acknowledged as much. Victor's issues were inconsistency and that his frame legitimately cannot take more weight. He's a twig. Mack battled injuries for a couple of years now and was ultimately passed by Olave and Wilson. If Mack can stay healthy, he's actually a very good, well-rounded WR. I think he could easily find a niche and have a very productive career.

It also doesn't help that these guys had three years of Zach Smith as their position coach.

It is interesting that he…

It is interesting that he doesn't have a Rutgers offer.

Big Ten officiating is…

Big Ten officiating is uniformly garbage. Every fan base says that refs are biased against them when in reality they are just inconsistent and utterly terrible. 

An outsiders perspective:

An outsiders perspective:

Michigan will largely face the same questions around their running game and interior DL next year. Those questions aren’t going away easily. However, I think the run game improves slightly while the DL doesn’t, simply because M doesn’t have the players. Really, the only M question that matters will be the QB. If there’s any kind of drop off from Shea’s level, M is dropping at least a game or two more than they did in 19. 

An outsiders perspective:

Don’t know why that posted there

Quite possible. However, the…

Quite possible. However, the rumors of this started from within the program to insiders and journalists who cover OSU. Not from an outside outlet. That leads me to believe someone in OSU compliance flagged something and took it to the AD, who reacted by suspending Young, which then leaked to "insiders".

This is a strange comment as…

This is a strange comment as OSU suspended him, which indicates the opposite of the program being crooked. A crooked program would have swept it under the rug.

100%. Similarly, feeling the…

100%. Similarly, feeling the need to label black athletes as high-character off the field.

It's been fascinating…

It's been fascinating watching this narrative form over the last 20 years as ESPN developed a financial stake in the SEC which coupled with a stake in the Big 10 not being considered the preeminent conference.

The undying theme that Notre…

The undying theme that Notre Dame is still a threat to win National Titles.

 

Bonus: any discussion of white quarterbacks or point guards that includes the following terms or phrases - "moxy", "cerebral", "coach's son", "plays with heart", "scrappy", "gritty", "film-junky", "crafty", or "student of the game".

To be fair, those blow outs…

To be fair, those blow outs happened because other teams haven't stopped OSU's backup OL and RBs, not because Ryan Day has the first string offense out there throwing the ball all over the field while playing hurry-up. Master Teague is fifth in the Big Ten in rushing.

I think PSU will be a better…

I think PSU will be a better test, but I personally don't think that highly of their offense. The Big 10 just doesn't have a lot of explosive offense this year.

Good ole Duron Carter. He…

Good ole Duron Carter. He had some of the highest upside I've ever seen in a freshman WR at OSU, but he apparently liked XBOX more than football.

I honestly believe Michigan…

I honestly believe Michigan has a better chance of beating OSU than they do of beating PSU at night on the road during a white-out. I just don't see Shea doing much in that game as PSU's D-Line is very good and he will quickly revert to first read and then panic. That is the toughest road environment in the country.

This is one of the…

This is one of the buffooniest things OSU has ever done.

Cosigned on "The Return". I…

Cosigned on "The Return". I highly recommend watching "The 24 Hour War" first, though. Both are available on Prime.

If interested, I highly…

If interested, I highly recommend "The 24 Hour War". It's a documentary of the events of this movie and is on Prime. They interview a number of people who were part of the original team as well as sons of Henry Ford II and Enzo Ferrari. Well done and lots of great stories.

How is this any different…

How is this any different than any other preseason ranking?

Many Buckeye fans were…

Many Buckeye fans were surprised as well. Many have asked why McCord was the pick instead of pushing harder for McCarthy or Maye. I honestly haven't seen either's film enough to say one way or the other. Birm also posted yesterday that the McCord over McCarthy decision may end up defining Ryan Day and I think he's likely right. If McCarthy ends up being as good as the early rankings, OSU fans will not let Day forget it. Their development over the next two years will be interesting to watch, which is kind of crazy to think that two 16 year old kids are being dissected like this when both have a lot of growing and physical-maturing still to do.

Can't speak for ND, but the…

Can't speak for ND, but the prevailing thought among OSU insiders is that OSU coaches liked McCord's size and arm strength advantage. He also impressed them with his football knowledge when he visited campus. He's the son of a coach and is also coming off a state championship as a sophomore and, if I remember correctly, plays tougher competition. He also has the benefit of being friends and teammates with Marvin Harrison Jr., who OSU is also after.

This is a good read on why OSU preferred McCord:

https://lettermenrow.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/ohio-state-football-recruiting-buckeyes-kyle-mccord-quarterback-commit/

Yeah that was pretty bad. I…

Yeah that was pretty bad. I guess it's time we just accept that we are a #footballschool

To me, there's a whole lot…

To me, there's a whole lot of "we'll see" to this. First, whatever you think about the reasons or the NCAA, he is likely going to be eligible this fall. And second, while the kid has all the tools you want in a QB, he still needs to put them all together and beat out two QB's who have a head start in the program. Martell has game reps and will be in his third year of Day's playbook and Baldwin has gotten great reviews during his one year in the program and was a recruit picked by Day. You'll likely see a three-way competition to start Spring ball. Most OSU fans will consider Fields to be the favorite, but he's going to have to earn it.

Every dominant college d…

Every dominant college d-lineman ever was double and triple teamed. The actual dominant players still make plays. Gary is a very good player, he's just not a top-15 level player. 

How do you see a Georgia…

How do you see a Georgia-Michigan match-up playing out?

Agree with you completely…

Agree with you completely. McSorley earned it. Probably the best game by a Big Ten QB this season.

Michigan did what good teams…

Michigan did what good teams do against bad teams - trucked them. Now most everybody here seems to be in cautious-optimism mode. If they beat Wisconsin and PSU that same way, that'll say plenty, even to Buckeye fans.

Beast of a player, reminds…

Beast of a player, reminds me a bit of Malik Hooker.

Re: the cash Georgia and…

Re: the cash Georgia and Alabama pay recruits. Not saying it doesn't happen because it obviously does in modern big-time college athletics. But if fans can come to this conclusion (and love to pound the topic) then it should be obvious to coaches as well. Which leads to the real problem as far as Michigan is concerned: either Harbaugh and his staff think they can somehow get playersthat other schools are offering money to or they themselves also offer money and they are still losing. I lean toward the former, because I don't believe that Harbaugh and his staff are ignorant enough to not know about it and because I've seen no evidence that Michigan pays players (though Michigan boosters are likely as talented as other boosters). But it's a huge failure by Harbaugh and staff to chase these players when they have such a small chance of landing them. Stanford can win some of these battles because they are Stanford. Michigan can not. And Harbaugh has failed to know the difference.

From an outside perspective,…

From an outside perspective, I agree with most here (and the article) that crossroads is the perfect term. Serious rival fans know that this may be Michigan's year. Beast of a defense and finally a QB with the talent to get them over the hump. If Michigan were to fall on its face and go 7-5 or 8-4, while losing to the rivals, you'll get some Michigan fans start calling for Harbaugh. Recruiting will stagnate quickly. But if Harbaugh makes the Playoffs this year, you'll get a massive swell of optimism from the fanbase and recruits. The offense doesn't even need to be great for Michigan to make the playoffs this year because the defense *should* be stupidly good.

Week 1 will tell us a lot. I expect Michigan to win by 10+.

"Serial abuser". SMDH.

"Serial abuser". SMDH.

For OSU' benefit or for…

For OSU' benefit or for legal accuracy? Unless you are saying that the entirety of Powell PD is willing to commit fraud. Or perhaps the man was never actually arrested. McMurphy is the only one who has this report and wouldn't release it for weeks even after Powell PD and other journalists called it into question. And if he's had the report this whole time saying Smith was arrested, why did he edit his original story to remove the bit about Smith being arrested almost a month ago? Why didn't he just hold firm and release the report then?