Why Are People Defending Hoke?

Submitted by 303john on

I for the life of me don't see him staying.. 

 

From Marcus defending him and Jon Jansen defending him today on his podcast..

 

 

Is it the Carr faction grasping at straws?? 

 

On a side note did anyone listen to Marcus Ray this morning? 

 

He basiclly called Hoke out when he was stating OSU out coached MSU..

 

 

Amazing.

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Realus

November 12th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

2) They probably did advocate for him to be hired.  Don't want to admit that he was wrong.

3) They think he can replicate 2011.  Just get him the right players and he can win a BCS bowl.  They are horrifying wrong about this, as THIS year has PROVEN.  As bad as some of the coaching was under RR, allmost all of the offensive success of 2011 comes from RR and his coaching staff and RR's recruiting.

4) They really think they know a lot about successful coaches because they are players.  Undoubtably, some of that is true, but not nearly as much as they think.

That's it.  But it's enough to say things that most will realize is REALLY stupid in a few years (whether Hoke stays at UM or not).

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Vengeful Barbarian

November 12th, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^

because I think Hoke is a good coach and most people on MGOBLOG don't know wtf they are talking about. I don't want Hoke to be a winner at a different program because we got inpatient, like what happened to the last guy everyone wanted to see canned.

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Vengeful Barbarian

November 12th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

Rich Rod wasn't given enough time for his recruits to be seniors. Hoke came in and took Rich Rods guys to the sugar bowl, and had another solid season the year after. Last year, his first with mostly his recriuts, we lost something like 4 games by a combined 11 points, but gave in to pressure to fire Borges. this leads us to this year, with most of his recruits that are in year 2, and with a new OC that everyone was creaming their panties for. it's not working out offensively, but there is some improvement on the OL and in our running game. despite al that we are 3-3 in big, with a chance to better last year's mark. I would like to be patient and stick it out with Hoke, as outside of Harbough there is not a better option available anyway.

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SalvatoreQuattro

November 12th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^

To use Hoke's phrasing: "This is Michigan!". 8-5 does not quality as solid. 10-2 does. At least that is the standard Bo and Mo set.  Carr was a 9-3 coach and was ripped. Hoke goes 8-5 and you defend it. How sad.

The fact is that the offense is horrid, the defense performs poorly vs good teams, and the team has struggled to win on the road all four years. Oh and their record has gotten worse each year.

There is no logical way to defend Brady Hoke. By the measures Hoke himself referenced in his introductory presser he is a failure.I find it strange that you do not do the same.

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Reader71

November 12th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^

To be fair, the topic of discussion is why people are defending Hoke, not if it is logical. And I'm not in favor of 8-5 seasons, but nobody was crying while it was happening. We are now, because it looks bad within the whole body of work. But that 8-5 was against an insane schedule, and it was right about where most expected us to finish. I dont know your history, but did you defend Coach Rod when he was winning 3, 5, 7? Sometimes, there is an excuse. 2008 was a bare offensive cupboard. 2012 was a damn hard schedule.

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SalvatoreQuattro

November 12th, 2014 at 5:34 PM ^

8-5 is not too far off from what I thought. It was indeed a brutal schedule. But 5 losses is not solid at Michigan no matter the schedule. That is the standard your avatar set.When you evoke Bo you evoke his standards as well.

To be fair to Hoke he said it wasn't good enough. Hoke has not made excuses like some coaches have and I respect that. I really do respect him as a man. I just don't think he is a good coach.

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HipsterCat

November 12th, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^

2012 we lost to Bama (National Champs) in dallas, Notre Dame (Lost to Bama in NC) by 6 in south bend, Lost at nebraska after denard got hurt, lost at OSU (12-0) and lost in the bowl game on a last second touchdown. That was an exceptionally competitive team, except against bama but they rolled everybody. 

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Yeoman

November 12th, 2014 at 5:30 PM ^

Massey thinks the 2012 team was better than 2011, a little under two points better in his power rating.

I'm not sure I agree with that, but if a decent computer program looking at nothing but the results comes up with it it's probably at least evidence that it wasn't a bad season.

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Giff4484

November 12th, 2014 at 3:55 PM ^

4 years in and we are about to be either 5-7 or 6-6 and he is a good coach? Can you explain how a good coach has a declining record every year? Does a good coach have 10 men on his punt coverage team multiple times in one season? Does a good coach develop a QB or 2? Does a coach good have a losing record to his rivals?

 

I mean I can go on for days here why Hoke is not a good coach here. It's done

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Mr. Yost

November 12th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^

Wish you knew what you were talking about.

You're missing a few key points.

  1. Hoke won with Carr's seniors
  2. Rich Rod couldn't win with Rich Rod's players...why do you fault Hoke for doing it?

That has always been the WORST argument when defending Rich Rod. If Rich Rod was 10-2 and left Michigan and Hoke came in and went 11-1 and then slowly decline, THEN you make that argument. 

Rich Rod was 7-6 and never beat a single team in the B1G with a pulse. Rarely did he even come close.

If Rich Rod goes 8-5 and finishes the year with impressive wins over OSU and Miss. St. --- maybe, I'll give you that argument. Rich Rod lost his last 3 games something like 142-49. Not even his vaunted offense was working. We scored 10.5 points per game in the last 2 games.

So was Rich Rod even a fair shake? Were the cards always stacked against him? All valid questions.

But don't defend him off of anything we saw on the football field. He was terrible after Oct. 1 in all 3 years. Go look it up.

But damn, 3 OTs vs. Illinois sure was exciting and promising for our future.

Defending Hoke isn't showing disapproval for Rich Rod. Rich Rod should've been fired. Hoke should be fired. We got it wrong both times. Neither deserve(d) more time. If Rich Rod shows a pulse in the B1G season and wins his bowl game, he probably stays. If Hoke doesn't have the Morris issue and goes 9-3, he probably stayed. Neither happened. It's time to try again.

And what "stud" second year did Hoke have? He was 8-5, Denard was hurt...but that's not a stud season. That's a ridiculous word to begin with...0 to 1 loss teams can say "stud season." Michigan hasn't had that since 1997.

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evenyoubrutus

November 12th, 2014 at 7:01 PM ^

Not really sure what point you're trying to make about Rodriguez but to be fair about how badly he lost those last 2 games, it sure looked like that team had quot on him by that point so I don't know how much you can use that to argue anything.

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1974

November 12th, 2014 at 8:56 PM ^

So ... the one season of Carr education that Molk, Van Bergen et al. got in '07 while redshirting was all that propelled Michigan to 11-2 *four* years later in '11?

OK.

Didn't have much to do with Denard, Lewan, and the recruits after that point?

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somewittyname

November 12th, 2014 at 5:19 PM ^

I think there is a much more legitimate case for saying RR could have been given another year than Hoke. I'm not saying RR should have gotten that extra year, just that I think Hoke's situation is all that much more clear. RR started with less and at least had a better trajectory. RR was at least a genius on one side of the ball. Someone can argue RR's defense ~ Hoke's offense, which fine. But Hoke's defenses have been mediocre to solid, which pales in comparison to RR's offense.  Hoke has also been given one more year and received full support from alumni, players, and former players (until now). He's fielded good recruiting classes. He's done everything but win, and it seems to be that is because he is simply incompetent.

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Jason80

November 12th, 2014 at 6:48 PM ^

Color me unimpressed by our close loses last year despite Dave and Brady celebrating those moral victories. Hey Gary Moeller had an undefeated season back in the day but somehow the voters forgot to give Michigan a MNC despite a mere 3 points putting those ties into the W column. Brady is a mediocre coach and Michigan will be a mediocre program with him in charge. Maybe every few years the breaks will go his way and he will challenge for a division title but as long as he runs the team we will remain second class in state and we can forget about the tough January 1st decision of going to the ToR parade or just tailgating early at the stadium. Patience isn't rewarded in college football--win quickly or find someone that will bring new excitement to the program. That is how it works.

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BlueSpiceIn SEC.hell

November 12th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^

We both might be overly optimistic,

but I think the opposite can be said for a good portion of the people on MGOBLOG.

Unfortunately they are a very vocal group about their opinions and very contrarian about this coaching staff...

BTW - coaches and coordinators that all have been a part of National championship teams...

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BeatOSU52

November 12th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^

I don't get why people acting like Michigan is so crazy to terminate a coach after 4 seasons.  I had a MSU friend trying to make a similar argument to me about how "we're not patient enough" , and I told him "Well you terminated JLS the exact amount of time (4 years, 2003-2006) and how did that end up for you?" (spoiler, it turned out well for MSU).  He gave me a blank look and had nothing to say back.

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