Spring Roster Overanalysis 2014!
A semi-annual tradition: Michigan releases a roster, I go over it to add to my ever-growing pile of slightly different numbers. To the pile!
QUARTERBACK | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Devin Gardner | 210 | 205 | 206 | 210 | 210 | 218 | -5 | 1 | 4 | 8 | |||||||||||||||||||
Russell Bellomy | 189 | 201 | 213 | 215 | 210 | 12 | 14 | -5 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Shane Morris | 202 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wilton Speight | 230 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RUNNING BACK | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Justice Hayes | 176 | 183 | 190 | 192 | 190 | 7 | 9 | -2 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Drake Johnson | 203 | 212 | 213 | 212 | 10 | -1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Sione Houma | 221 | 229 | 231 | 240 | 10 | 9 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Joe Kerridge | 238 | 247 | 9 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
De'Veon Smith | 224 | 223 | -1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Derrick Green | 240 | 227 | -13 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wyatt Shallman | 237 | 243 | 6 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ross Douglas | 176 | 176 | 186 | 10 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
WIDE RECEIVER | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Devin Funchess | 225 | 228 | 235 | 230 | 10 | -5 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Amara Darboh | 218 | 213 | 212 | 214 | -6 | 2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Jehu Chesson | 183 | 193 | 196 | 195 | 13 | -1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Dennis Norfleet | 170 | 168 | 169 | 167 | -1 | -2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Jaron Dukes | 190 | 200 | 10 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Csont'e York | 180 | 194 | 14 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Da'Mario Jones | 192 | 198 | 6 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Freddy Canteen | 170 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Drake Harris | 180 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
TIGHT END | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Jordan Paskorz | 246 | ? | 251 | 255 | 255 | ? | 9 | 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Keith Heitzman | 251 | ? | 277 | 280 | 271 | ? | 26 | -9 | |||||||||||||||||||||
AJ Williams | 282 | 265 | 265 | 263 | -17 | -2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Jake Butt | 231 | 237 | 250 | 0 | 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
Khalid Hill | 258 | 255 | -3 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
OFFENSIVE LINE | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Jack Miller | 263 | 287 | 291 | 290 | 297 | 24 | 3 | 7 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Blake Bars | 282 | 284 | 291 | 290 | 9 | -1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Ben Braden | 299 | 314 | 318 | 319 | 19 | 1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Kyle Kalis | 292 | 297 | 302 | 304 | 10 | 2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Erik Magnuson | 290 | 286 | 285 | 295 | -5 | 10 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Kyle Bosch | 307 | 302 | 301 | -1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Logan Tuley-Tillman | 285 | 300 | 290 | -10 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
David Dawson | 297 | 295 | -2 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Graham Glasgow | 303 | 308 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dan Samuelson | 283 | 282 | -1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Patrick Kugler | 287 | 295 | 8 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Chris Fox | 338 | 310 | -28 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mason Cole | 275 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DEFENSIVE LINE | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Frank Clark | 228 | 260 | 277 | 277 | 270 | 32 | 17 | -7 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Matt Godin | 270 | 277 | 280 | 283 | 10 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Willie Henry | 302 | 306 | 306 | 297 | 4 | -9 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Ondre Pipkins | 337 | 308 | 315 | 313 | -22 | -2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Tom Strobel | 250 | 262 | 265 | 268 | 15 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Chris Wormley | 268 | 290 | 289 | 292 | 21 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Mario Ojemudia | 223 | 244 | 250 | 250 | 27 | 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Taco Charlton | 265 | 270 | 275 | 5 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Maurice Hurst | 270 | 277 | 7 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Henry Poggi | 260 | 271 | 11 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Bryan Mone | 315 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LINEBACKER | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Jake Ryan | 225 | 230 | 242 | 241 | 240 | 235 | 5 | 12 | -2 | -5 | |||||||||||||||||||
Brennen Beyer | 225 | 252 | 254 | 250 | 256 | 27 | -2 | 6 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Desmond Morgan | 220 | 230 | 227 | 228 | 232 | 10 | -2 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Allen Gant | 196 | 203 | 212 | 222 | 16 | 10 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Royce Jenkins-Stone | 206 | 215 | 225 | 221 | 19 | -4 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
James Ross | 225 | 223 | 220 | 225 | -5 | 5 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Joe Bolden | 230 | 222 | 225 | 225 | -5 | 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Ben Gedeon | 236 | 236 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mike McCray | 237 | 242 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Michael Ferns | 233 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
CORNERBACK | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Raymon Taylor | 169 | 183 | 186 | 183 | 182 | 14 | 0 | -1 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Delonte Hollowell | 164 | 177 | 175 | 180 | 175 | 13 | 3 | -5 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Blake Countess | 176 | 182 | 181 | 182 | 183 | 6 | 0 | 1 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Terry Richardson | 154 | 162 | 167 | 172 | 13 | 5 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Jourdan Lewis | 170 | 174 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Channing Stribling | 171 | 176 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Reon Dawson | 170 | 178 | 8 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Brandon Watson | 185 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
SAFETY | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Player | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to Spring | |||||||||||||||||||
Jarrod Wilson | 190 | 196 | 200 | 202 | 10 | 2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Jeremy Clark | 191 | 201 | 205 | 206 | 14 | 1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Dymonte Thomas | 187 | 190 | 191 | 0 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
Delano Hill | 205 | 205 | 0 |
Rule one of Roster Overanalysis Club is all weight change is good.
Various other things that leap out:
Not a lot of movement. This year features many fewer large swings than 2013 or 2012, and while that's partially the fact that old stuff is measured in year increments instead of six month moves, there are many position groups where 2x the amount of movement seen here is still basically no movement. Linebacker, safety, and both lines are relatively static.
In general, that's good, as Michigan goes from a breakdown/rebuild cycle to tweaking amongst players expected to play.
Derrick Green is slimming down. Important thing #1 is Green dropping 13 pounds on his way to 225 or 220. Hopefully he regains the form that saw him atop the hype lists as a recruit.
Technically listed at tight end. Anyone on the move-Funchess-to-TE-to-cover-for-Butt train should note that Funchess is listed down five pounds from last year. Dude is a wide receiver.
Gardner more prepared to take a pounding. Up eight pounds going into a senior year is unusual for QBs.
Brandon Watson enters as Michigan's heaviest cornerback. If he adds any weight he'll be hanging out at safety, where some help would be appreciated.
The freshmen last year all put on 5-8 that will probably be 10-12 by fall, just in time for Peppers to provide a stiff challenge.
Might want to pump the breaks on Canteen a smidge. 170 is perhaps untenably light.
OL moves. Not a whole lot there other than Kugler, Miller, and Magnuson moving up into the 295 range where they're still a little light but probably workable; Fox dropping 28 was inevitable as he recovered from major knee surgery and necessary if he was going to see the field.
This should be good. Michigan has their guys mostly where they want 'em and is now just working on making them stronger.
Wonder what's up with Tuley-Tillman.
Work needs to be done on the DL. Beyer (still listed at linebacker) up six to 256 is a bit less problematic if Michigan plays more over fronts but still unappealingly likely to be thrown into the sideline as an SDE. The two redshirted DTs added a bit of weight but are still in the 270s. Godin and Strobel are going to need to pack it on.
Clark drops seven pounds, presumably to be quicker off the snap. All weight change is good.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^
February 26th, 2014 at 2:35 PM ^
Rule one of Roster Overanalysis Club is
you don't talk about Roster Overanalysis Club.
Second rule of Roster Overanalysis Club:
YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT ROSTER OVERANALYSIS CLUB.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^
Remind me: are all weight gains or losses good or only some?
February 26th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^
What's little known is that this is Brian's way of justifying his own weight gains over the winter.
But we're not supposed to discuss that.
All weight change is good.
All weight change is good.
All weight change is good.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^
February 26th, 2014 at 1:56 PM ^
If Michigan sticks him at WDE or field DE (depending on front and how they determine they want to play it), then 255 is a fine weight. At that weight he's about the same weight as a TE but fast enough to hold the edge. Certainly isn't a 4-3 SDE at that weight though.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^
Do you think we put Clark at SDE? ~270 seem about right for that?
February 26th, 2014 at 2:10 PM ^
I'm still feeling good about MO coming around, but we'll see how that turns out. But people hold weight differently. Clark seems to hold weight pretty well, and I think he'll be able to play SDE or WDE, though in an under front I still don't really want to see him take on a bunch of double teams. In an over front, the two positions are pretty interchangable (which is why MSU plays a field and boundary DE)
February 26th, 2014 at 2:19 PM ^
In your opinion, is 250 about where we'd like to see Ojemudia? I was initially a little surprised that they don't have him bulking up a bit more.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^
But he seems to have a thinner frame. I think 260 is about as much as you want him to carry, and at 6'3", 250 seems to be a pretty good weight for him.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:21 PM ^
Beyond a certain point it's not about pure weight, or even "good" weight vs. "bad" weight. It's about how the weight moves.
The weight's there for obvious p=mv physics, but that's just the 19th century level of the equation -- if the guy opposite you outweighs you by 50 pounds, odds are you're gonna get pushed back if you take a bull rush square. Air Force can only do so much with their weight restrictions, for example.
But in the case of Frank Clark, his weight isn't what concerns me. DEs in a 4-3 need to be very athletic, both powerful AND quick. But while as the season wore on he got better and evolved into one of the better pass rushers, despite being called a "freak" he wasn't really blowing back anyone with lower-body explosion, running past pass blockers with raw speed or breaking ankles with quickness. Mind you he was very athletic by any objective standard, but (and my memory may be fuzzy here) I don't remember seeing O-lines motion like "oh shit Frank Clark" and scheme to stop the guy. That's a concern that's related to his weight but only partially.
Clark could be 260 or 280, hell, 250 or 290 even; what he needs is not a weight target but the ability to beat a block consistently and he can't even do that as well as JFMR -- a linebacker, yes our best linebacker but still a linebacker -- despite the block-beating expectations of the position. Maybe it's a technique thing, I dunno, someone else has to explain why because I'm much more of a run-around-in-space guy than a brawler.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^
You answered it yourself. Clark is fine at his weight and athletic level, it's a technique that he needs to not only improve at, but get much more consistent at.
February 26th, 2014 at 4:55 PM ^
I dunno. He just didn't seem all that quick or powerful. That CAN be a technique thing, and I'll admit my eyes can fool me if it was that. The way I saw it wasn't so much he was a super-freak athlete that was too raw, but a guy trying various moves but lacking the power or speed to beat his man. A raw athlete will do things like that one DL guy we had who often just stood up at the snap but one time literally grabbed his blocker and tossed him aside. That's a raw athlete with huge upside. With Clark, I saw a guy moving pretty well, but his blockers just didn't seem to have too much trouble staying in front of him and holding ground. I'm concerned that he's not nearly as athletic as advertised (for an FBS DE).
Again, before I get negged into oblivion, I'm not a brawler so I don't trust my own assessment. I'm just being honest about what I saw, and concerned because I think for all the hype he's rapidly reaching his ceiling as a mediocre FBS DE, and I in fact suspect that's why they're moving Jake Ryan inside.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^
Someone get Canteen on that Caris LeVert weight gaining program stat!
February 26th, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^
There's a ratio thing at work here. I often think too much is made of (relatively minor) weight differences between linemen; someone at 280 could be far stronger and tougher than someone at 300. If neither has bad weight it's not likely, don't get me wrong 20 pounds ain't nothing to sneeze at, but factor stuff like length, build, speed, etc. and it's not like the 300 guy's a sure thing. But 170 vs. 190 is a whopping 12% difference in mass.
6'0" and 170 and his pride is his quick feet. That's. . . yo, that's me (although perhaps 1/475th as athletic), and you wouldn't want to see me in pads against FBS competition unless you like snuff film (or hate me that much). I'd want to add at least 15 pounds of muscle and would prefer to be up to 190.
February 26th, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^
February 26th, 2014 at 7:24 PM ^
We're talking 150-160lbs during the season. And they ran pro-style offenses. He may not be ready to go across the middle in B1G season, but his skill can still be utilized.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^
Brakes. Pump the brakes. That one is climbing up the list pretty fast. Not quite as bad as "one in the same" but worse than "baited breath."
February 26th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^
When I bait my breath with Lagavulin I'm irresistable.
February 26th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
Islay whisky doubles as a perfume and breth freshener.
Mmmmmm...peat.
February 26th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^
Don't forget the smoky part.
February 26th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
I think of Islay whiskies as more peaty than smoky, but it's hard to separate the two. The phenolic content is from peat smoke, afterall.
February 26th, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^
I think I may be up for one tonight after work! I have never quite come around to the peaty Islay whiskies. I prefer Oban myself.
February 27th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
Talisker might be a good bridge for you then - that's a hint of brine/smoke and pepper. If you enjoy that, then work your way up to Highland Park or Longrow, which have a good sweet and light peat combo.
February 26th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^
Don't be pedantic. You knew what he meant, for all intensive purposes.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^
I would guess he's still working on losing bad weight (so eating properly and running) but hasn't been able to do a bit of the lifting because of his hand, and therefore has lacked some addition of muscle mass.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:59 PM ^
He's definitely lost bad weight.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^
Shouldnt we pleasantly surprised at LTT weight at 290 ? I recall vaguely, that he balooned north of 340 lbs... or maybe that was after high school.
February 26th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^
He may be a heavier corner, but I'd prefer he stay there rather than get looked at as a safety.
He's also probably the most physical corner on the roster already, or near it, and that's something Michigan needs. The other young corners on the roster are largely string beans still, and as much as I think Stribling can be great, Michigan needs at least one imposing corner that can jam a receiver at the line.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:12 PM ^
Peppers: 6'1 205.
For me, I'd rather have countess and taylor play the wide, and then press peppers in the slot.
Obviously this will assume Thomas and Wilson can hold it down on the back end. We are really really light on depth at both safeties
February 26th, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^
which is pretty limited, Watson is definitely a more physical corner than Peppers. It could be part scheme and that Peppers plays about every position on the field, but there are very few clips where Watson isn't pressing his man, and that's still pretty uncommon for high school. Of what I saw for Peppers playing corner, he was off the line more and made up for it in coverage with his pure speed and athleticism.
Again that's limited viewing, but physicality isn't a measurement, it's a state of mind. And to me Watson appears to play more physically.
February 27th, 2014 at 6:46 AM ^
I will say I'm excited about Wilson and Thomas back at safety. I'm pumped about Blake and Ray on the corners with last years sophs and the two freshman coming in behind them. I think we have the foundation of a great secondary.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^
Has Gardner been working out or has he been limited by his injury? If he hasn't been working out a lot, his eight pound weight gain might not be good weight.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:10 PM ^
He has said in a couple interviews he continued to work out his upper body and use the hand bike. I am pretty sure it is good weight. Devin is not one to let himself go, he works as hard as anybody on the team.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^
I think he said somewhere that since his injury he's only been able to do upper body work. So I would assume that that's where the 8 pounds came from. Good weight.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:12 PM ^
But in the video of DG at spring ball, his upperbody did look bigger. Just have to make sure to maintain flexibility.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^
I just wanted everyone to know that following winter conditioning I have also put on about 22 pounds by working out and eating everything in sight. While not all of it is good weight, I fully plan on leaning out and should be at a healthy playing weight by fall. Can someone please let Hoke know? I do have a fifth year to work with.
February 26th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^
Nice. There is nothing wrong with cultivating mass.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^
New phonebooks!!!!
February 26th, 2014 at 2:22 PM ^
I don't know how Terry Richardson will ever see the field. He's still lighter than Delonte Hollowell, and Hollowell lost 5 pounds...
February 26th, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^
He really won't get up above 180 and play CB. You can't build him like a RB. He needs to remain much more fluid throughout the hips and even in the upper body. 175-180 is probably optimal weight for him, and he'll slowly keep going up to that. I'd even be surprised if he's actually 5'9", he's a really small guy.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^
like you said, he's a small dude and can't ever really get his weight up much more than it is. He probably has as much or more muscle on his frame than guys like Jourdan Lewis, his frame is just too small and they clearly want bigger receivers to better handle the taller WRs.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:22 PM ^
Weight change for Green is great news.
Funny thing is, virtually all of guys are mountains of human beings, so to me going from something like 286 to 298 or whatever doesn't really register with me as good or bad.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:24 PM ^
286 to 298 is a 4% change. Most of the weight changes are downright negligible. At 303, Glasgow could gain those 5 pounds with a bad case of constipation.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:23 PM ^
Come on guys be honest....The majority of you are messing your pants thinking about how Norfleet got smaller right?
February 26th, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^
Dammit, Brian! You have to single out Norfleet more!
February 26th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^
If it were someone else, it might be a bit funny, but you've been an unmitigated asshole on this topic, among others.
February 26th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^
Really struck a nerve there....is Norfleet your little brother or something?
February 26th, 2014 at 2:35 PM ^
the most overlooked weight change, in my opinion, is ondre pipkins. i figured that since he wouldn't be able to walk/run for a while, he'd put on a lot of bad weight that he'd then need to lose. but he actually lost 2 pounds. i think that and the green weight loss are the two most important figures above.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^
The most important fact here is that PeeWee did not blow back up to planetoid status. There is hope yet.
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