Hello: LB Casey Phinney
Avg final ap ranking no. 18
You're just now recalibrating expectations?
Full Scholarship? (blinking guy gif)
Isnt this the part where people respond with "trust the coaches"?
Usually it's "look at his offer list" but they can't use that one so yes it's "trust the coaches" the same coaches who can't beat OSU and have had one whole 3 star drafted that they recruited. One.
lol wut, he's been here 5 years (with only a half class the first year), and this year's draft hasn't even happened yet.... weak troll, my friend
Only 5 years? Wow I guess that is just not enough time to build a program capable of beating OSU lets give him another 25 and see if he can do it.
Did you read what you wrote and then what he wrote? Because I don’t think you did.
Just what we need, another commit with zero power offers. Ryan Day and OSU must be shaking in their boots. I'm sorry but this is getting absurd. Coaches don't want to leave their comfort zone in the northeast, keep accepting commitment every year from kids who aren't even on d-1 radars, and then we all wonder why UM never meets expectations when half the roster shouldn't even be on scholarship here.
Let me know when we get a head coach in here who is serious about recruiting because we aren't winning shit with this one.
Hmmm, Dazn rhymes with …
What part about his statement isn't true? Jim Harbaugh's come to the Ohio State game with really good game plans and then he just gets out atheleted every single time and this is continuing that trend. That's that's just reality
Sticking up for Maizen.
That’s the kind of fan you are.
Welcome back, Shawn! How's the self isolating going?
I'm sure he's a gem just waiting to be discovered.
Trust the coaches
/s
When you have a 5 star qb to headline your class and one that committed early, the class should be in a different trajectory right now.
These are kids that will jump at Michigan later in the process...or if they start blowing up, you close that door quickly.
I feel like we're jumping the gun here a bit. He has offers from Princeton, Penn, Yale, Georgetown, Army, and UMass.
Princeton, Penn, and Yale, as members of the Ivy League, don't offer any sort of merit-based aid, athletic or academic. Georgetown offers full scholarships for basketball but not football. And Army is, of course, free to anyone who enters, athlete or not, but that is a very special sort of commitment. UMass, which started offering football scholarships in 2015, is the only exception.
Sam Webb has said that he was not familiar with this particular recruitment until today. We don't actually have any real information here. Is it possible that, like the other offers, this is not a guaranteed full scholarship offer? Maybe a conditional offer or a walk-on situation? I really have no idea. It feels like we should wait to see though, right?
This is a full scholarship offer. Michigan offered him two years ago. It's not a grayshirt or PWO situation.
This is the second commit in this class that even insiders have been like "idk who this is," which means we're offering kids who likely have no business getting a committable offer
Super excited about this kid. I think Harbaugh and Brown can coach him up to a 5 star. The gap between us and Ohio is starting to close.
I'm usually one to trust the staff, but this a confusing take. Why take a low rated FB in small class this early in the cycle for an offense that is trying to not use FBs anymore?
No one understands Michigan's recruiting strategy. Things just happen.
Cripes, do you morons have amnesia, or are you being intentionally obtuse?
We have taken these types of recruits early every year since Harbaugh got here. Some improved their standing during their senior year, some did not.
Of those that did not, how many actually wound up at Michigan?
This guy isn't like that though. He's not a Matthew Hibner or a Zach Charbonnet or a Blake Corum or a Jeffrey Persi type, where you can watch their film and see that they're better than their ranking and they'll move up.
This guy is the type of player that regardless of ranking, the staff is going to take because they just like him at fullback. He's a big thumper at LB which is the opposite of how that position is moving
Gotcha.
”IT’S DIFFERENT THIS TIME!!!!!”
Get your head out of your ass.
If you think this guy is going to move up in the rankings than you're delusional and will somehow make a huge impact, you're delusional. This kid is just the FB that they bring in every other year because Harbaugh is set in his ways
And to answer your question of "how many ended up at Michigan?"
Most of them. I can't recall a low rated FB recruit who decommitted. Because why would they?
Incorrect. You are letting your entitlement cloud whatever intellect you have. Lower-ranked recruits that didn’t blossom their senior year have been cut loose by the coaching staff every year. One perhaps 2-3 years ago was indeed a fullback recruit, and he wound up at South Florida.
How many of those guys helped us win championships? It's one thing if Beilein is discovering guys like MAAR to lead us to the final four. It's another thing if you are bringing on a guy to lead you to an 8/9 win season and hamblasting in the final regular season game.
How many top-100 recruits helped us win championships?
None? I guess we’d better stop going after them!
Don Brown special here. Recruited so Brown can have him cover a 4.3 - 40 slot receiver when calling a zero blitz on 3rd and 25.
This will work out.
Well on the plus side the next time we play Ohio State they'll kick our teeth in and Frank Pentangeli will be let go and we won't have to bother with NE types anymore.
Paye has been decent, anyone else? Stiff TEs and plodders. Great recipe for beating OSU. Not.
Maurice Hurst. I know he wasn’t signed by this head coach but was a great get out of the NE.
The guy whose dad played for the Patriots for seven years? Wonder how Hurst ended up there.
I hope this kid succeeds, obviously. But the top 11 recruits in the state of Michigan are ranked within the top 400. We currently have 1 commit out of those 11. I get the rankings don’t always tell the whole story, but making your hotbed the northeast instead of your own talent rich state is a bit odd.
I guess the other 10 are all firmly locked up elsewhere with no shot of winding up in Michigan’s class?
Maybe he's a PWO?
Maybe he's being groomed to replace Bench Mason as hybrid FB/DT?
With this staff, who knows?
Has to be FB/Hback recruit. Not athletic or fast enough for Ilber in don brown's defense and frankly if we move on from brown and go more zone, still needs that burst. Don't see it.
I hate to be that guy, but lber, osu just landed two of the top 4 or 5 rb's depending on the service and I don't see a recruiting focus to land the absolute fastest and best athletes like the elite programs are doing.
I am still generally in the camp that believes we are probably better with Harbaugh than without...but some days it's hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel where we're able to beat OSU and break the 10 win ceiling. Harbaugh's best team was with Hoke's recruits
I think the UM fanbase is coming around to the fact that JH may not be the savior all had hoped for. Maybe it's not all on him. It could be that OSU is an insurmountable mountain at this time.
I think fans need to admit that it's likely UM can't get to Ohio's level, not without an OSU program collapse.
If the disillusioned still think that UM should be a championship contender then Harbaugh either needs to get it done or UM should move on.
Bo would have loved this guy. Unfortunately, he hasn't been here for decades.
I'll say this, Don Brown is becoming more and more detrimental to this football program.
Don is not a good recruiter. He falls in love with the NE and snags guys that you scratch your head over.
This defense is filled with massive holes that he's been unable to fix it. I would say he's making it harder to fix.
This is on top of the continue shellacking to OSU and anyone with an offensive pulse. Don has had his moments early on, but the mystic has clearly worn off.
The longer and longer Jim Harbaugh keeps Don on the staff, the more and more the team depth, talent, recruiting prowess, and results diminish.
JH is the problem in my eyes. There's no reason DB shouldn't have been replaced when we got killed by osu two years in a row. 62&56 is unacceptable to your rival. Should have been shown the door. Every time they play someone with some talent watch out because he gets torched.
Maybe Brown should consult with Brent Venables. Clemson was able to hold down OSU's offense to just 516 yards with a real defensive line.
Alright then it’s the whole darn philosophy with how Harbaugh runs shit then.
We’re going on year 3 of scrapping the offensive playbook. Still can’t run tempo for shit when it matters except against MTSU and still can’t play catch-up to the big boys when our defense gets inevitably torched.
I don't disagree but I think the best thing Harbaugh has done is let go of the offense. I don't think Harball was going to get it done in today's game. I think Urban and now Day clearly illustrate that. They are better coaches at modern football.
Hopefully Gattis turns out to be the real deal. Probably everything will be answered this season. Harbaugh will sink or swim with Gattis's results.
You know what Brent Venables has over Don Brown? 2 NC at Clemson and 2 wins vs OSU.
Maybe he should consult Brent.
Yes, I’m sure Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence have nothing to do with those wins.
You mean that game where Venables defense held OSU to zero points in ‘16! Yeah I’m sure the defense had no impact on that game.
I think the biggest issue that is going to become apparent is that Don Brown without recruiters surrounding him is going to become an issue. Our defenses were good when we has guys like Mattison, Al Washington, Partridge, and Campanile bringing in some legit talent. Nua has been decent, but the defensive recruiting fire power we had is basically all gone
In terms of S/P, sure. In terms of not giving up 60 yearly to our biggest rival, or winning on the road against ranked teams five years in...not so much
Here's my take.
It's disappointing that he's not a 4* player, wish he was rated higher. I of course believe in recruiting rankings overall. It's not the end of the 2021 recruiting class, however.
I believe Don Brown is changing the defense. It will be much more of a 3 man line, with more space players. That explains the huge number of safety types Michigan took last year, along with the lack of true DTs, and the surplus of SDEs.
With that type of defense, I think they need a thick MLB who can take on OL. So that position becomes less of a Devin Bush type, more of a Desmond Morgan type thumper. The trade off is another Viper or maybe more nickel elsewhere on the field.
Think Clemson, who had exactly this player this year in James Skalski.