15% of Clemson's Football Team Tests Positive for PED's
Mates,
Came across this headline this afternoon, sure to warm you up even more than great slow cooker recipes. I have ad blocker so reading the entire article is tough, but the gist of the article is as the headline states, 15% of the team tested positive for PED's.
Link to article here: https://www.postandcourier.com/columnists/clemson-s-drug-probe-doesn-t-include-testing-all-football/article_6615cdf8-219d-11e9-9663-cfd49594d1b2.html
No wonder Clemson is doing so well? #PED's are worth it?
Sad if true, but I guess its not surprising.
XM
January 28th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
Eating enough is by far the hardest part of adding muscle, and I love eating food. I put on 60 pounds of muscle over 3 years as a teenager. I would kill a dozen eggs every two days about, would eat the fattiest meats, everything. For a while, until I broke through a sort of ceiling, I was literally eating until it hurt to eat.
January 28th, 2019 at 5:18 PM ^
Both of you are bullshitting.
You are both either lying, or don't know how much muscle you actually put on.
I was a collegiate athlete who was extremely dedicated to diet and training regimen (in season, and out of season when I was mostly training on my own).
Neither of your alleged gains are possible
January 28th, 2019 at 5:26 PM ^
I walked on here. I came in at 205 and had to get to 235 to play the position. I weighed 235 (verified by Schembechler Hall scales) by December of my freshman year. I only ate real food and trained, never touched a supplement.
Sorry that your training didn't go as well as mine.
January 28th, 2019 at 5:46 PM ^
Lol so you went from 205 to 235 and think that was all muscle? No possibility that, due to your extreme diet, you also gained fat and water weight?
Let me guess too...you were 10% BF too
January 28th, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^
“30 pounds of good weight.”
Better?
January 28th, 2019 at 8:11 PM ^
Of course some was water, but some was water at 205 too. You can’t add muscle without adding water weight, and if you’re making significant strength gains I don’t see the point in delineating between muscle gains and marginal gains in water weight.
As for fat, very little. I probably was not single digit BF, but right around 10 yeah. 11 or 12% maybe? Defined abs without flexing/sucking in/etc which really isn’t possible above 14% or 15%.
Don’t really know why it’s difficult to believe, or why we are now discussing in depth my body composition from years gone by lol.
January 28th, 2019 at 8:58 PM ^
Because it’s physiologically impossible, that’s why. Go get your letterman jacket and grab another beer, Dr.
January 28th, 2019 at 10:16 PM ^
lol ok
January 29th, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
in retrospect, i understand his skepticism....
January 28th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^
Of course some was water, but some was water at 205 too. You can’t add muscle without adding water weight, and if you’re making significant strength gains I don’t see the point in delineating between muscle gains and marginal gains in water weight.
As for fat, very little. I probably was not single digit BF, but right around 10 yeah. 11 or 12% maybe? Defined abs without flexing/sucking in/etc which really isn’t possible above 14% or 15%.
Don’t really know why it’s difficult to believe, or why we are now discussing in depth my body composition from years gone by lol.
January 28th, 2019 at 5:57 PM ^
i will back up dr toboggan's claim too. i gained 11 lbs without even trying during hockey training camp my freshman year at michigan. i was just happy to eat. and i had no body fat back then, like maybe 5-7%.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:09 PM ^
I am not arguing with the ability to gain weight in that time.
But going from 205 to 235 in two months with that being all muscle if physiologically impossible. Especially considering he was already 205 and presumably lifting in some capacity before that.
You'd be surprised at how much water you can hold or how much fat you gain when going the route of extreme bulking.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:35 PM ^
It averages to be 2.5 pounds a week which is doable.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^
No it isn't. Not for a person who already lifts regularly. No seasoned lifter gains 10 pounds of lean muscle mass in a month.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^
Very true
January 28th, 2019 at 7:19 PM ^
We’re talking about somone who didn’t do much for diet or lifts then getting serious, for that person the gains will be quick to start
in your scenario you are correct somone who has already been eating clean and lifting regularly gains will be harder to come by, as they are presumably closer to personal max potential.
January 28th, 2019 at 10:19 PM ^
I was 18 and fresh out of high school. Hardly "seasoned" or close to my skeletal muscle max. It would be close to impossible for me to do now, but as a teenager? Hardly.
January 28th, 2019 at 7:00 PM ^
one other thing: doc is probably figuring august to december, more like 4 1/2 months or maybe more.
January 28th, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^
All of Sept, Oct, Nov, so yeah, 3, sorry.
January 28th, 2019 at 8:52 PM ^
5%-7%?? That is hilarious. Post your dexa scan results that verified that. In lieu of that, google actual 5% body fat. Even bodybuilding competitors only hit that number during peak week, no athlete plays at 5%. Wow
January 29th, 2019 at 5:20 AM ^
i'm old. those things didn't exist back then. i was at or sub 10% in my later 20's and 30's when still playing football. was leaner as a teenager. most of my sons are like this now, and there are more than a few mgobloggers that have met them and i'm guessing would agree. genetics.
January 29th, 2019 at 10:42 AM ^
I’m 50 and 10.23% body fat, I don’t understand the relevance tho? First, no one is genetically predisposed to being thin. Ectomorphs (and other body types) have been disproven. If you’re thin and your kids are lean it’s because of caloric intake and activity, not genetics. Even in the NFL, the leanest athletes, receivers and DB’s play at about 9%-10%. The difference between 9% and 5% is huge. Unless it’s bodybuidling peak week, males are not going to be at 5% https://in-thinair.com/2016/05/03/the-nfl-body-part-2-body-fat-percentage/.
Im not trying to be a jerk, but most people vastly underestimate actual body fat percentages. Guys can workout hard and add 2lbs a week and feel like it is all muscle becuase they are still fairly lean. The reality is that no one, without juice, is going to add more than 1/2 pound of muscle per week.
January 29th, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^
not taking you as a jerk and thank you for posting the chart. i noted that most of the sports have body fat % 5-8 as the low range so my numbers seem pretty dead-on. at U of M they tested, poked, prodded, measured, calculated our physiology during camp like nothing i'd ever seen. you would have thought we were at the olympic tryouts. that was how i knew my measurables and how they changed like they did. i actually got taller then, too. i took a lot of crud for that as a freshman in the form of 'hey. rookie. what's up with you?' (said in a canadian accent).
i do totally disagree with one comment you made though, the bit about 'body types'. heck, even my avatars twins are different and they share in equal portions about everything that could be shared.
January 29th, 2019 at 11:46 AM ^
If you were actively being measured, as long as it wasn’t bio electrical impedance, then your numbers were probably fairly accurate. I made the false assumption it was the mirror test.
IMO somatypes can describe what a person looks like but it’s not the cause of what they look like. Personally I struggled to gain weight in HS. In college a 4,500 calorie per day diet quickly erased that challenge. I wasn’t an ectomorph, I just wasn’t hungry naturally. The only fix was being uncomfortably full and eating calorie dense foods. We can agree to disagree on that. Thanks
https://www.justinwoltering.com/the-truth-about-somatotypes/
January 29th, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^
5% body fat is insanely, insanely skinny.
Even most extremely toned athletes are closer to 10%.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:24 PM ^
Agree. The guy saying 60# over the course of 3 years is probably accurate at a rate of a little over 1.5# per month of lean muscle tissue. Those claiming upwards of 15-20# over 2-3 months of “muscle” are not taking into account for excess water retention and fat which is normal in a bulking cycle. While it’s impressive to put on that much mass in a short amount of time, it’s vaulabe to understand how much lean muscle you have actually gained.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:32 PM ^
Everyone’s body is different, personally when i started lifting and eating clean I found that I quickly added lean mass at my peak I would add about 2 pounds a week. Now the downside of this is that the opposite is also true when I’m a loaf and drink beers and eat crap I add excess adipose tissue at the same rate...yes holidays are rough. Much like the good doctor my coach switched my position and I was tasked with adding “good” weight they had a nutritionist put me on a 7500 calorie a day diet which consisted of a lot of chicken, brown rice, sweet potatoes, and salmon. Workouts twice a day. It was a chore but the results were there I grew immensely stronger.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:38 PM ^
One thing that I have noticed is that my strength would go up without gaining a significant amount of muscle mass. CNS development and adaptation is huge for strength gains. See Olympic weight lifters for an example, they are simply amazing athletes, and yes, the sport is riddled with PEDs.
January 28th, 2019 at 7:25 PM ^
The nervous system along with training tendons which are really the heavy lifters in the body for sure play a huge role. But as a by product of taxing these parts of the body it’s inevitable to gain at least some lean mass. Without good nutrition the strength gains are finite and any person would plateau
January 29th, 2019 at 9:34 PM ^
No, everybody is not different in the sense “some people” can add 2 lbs a week of muscle. No one, period, ever. I can’t be more clear about this. NOBODY IS ADDING MORE THAN 1/2 LB PER WEEK OF MUSCLE, PERIOD, NOBODY. Adding 2lbs a week and not looking fat is totally different than adding 2lbs of muscle. When I say it’s physiologically impossible, it means no human can do it. No human can gain 2lbs of muscle a week regardless of how much juice you take either. Eat your Test, Dboll, Winnie V, Tren and Sarm sandwich every day and you can’t gain 2 lbs a week of muscle. Drop the “when I lifted” bs and show a single study that shows it being possible or look at 40 years of research showing the max potential, regardless of genetics or level of training showing 1/4 lb a week is the max. FFS, the flat Earthers are closer to being scientifically correct. F
January 29th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
30 lb of muscle in 2 months lol
January 28th, 2019 at 8:36 PM ^
I can’t tell if you are delusional, ignorant, or both?? Your ridiculous claim of gaining 3.75 lbs of muscle per week is pure BS, Dr. Full it... No one who isn’t taking juice is putting on more than 1/2 pound per week of lean body mass. Period. Even taking a stack of juice no one can put on muscle at that rate. You had a huge caloric surplus, don’t understand physiology and think your fat is muscle or you’re just a tool..which is it?
January 28th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^
Share your source / evidence or shut up
January 28th, 2019 at 8:46 PM ^
https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19515623/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/. Pick one of 100 different sources or validated studies. You actually believe that nonsense? In a good weight program in college I put on 22lbs in a year and even that was likely not all pure muscle. You can gain weight but nobody can put on more than 1/2*lb of lean body mass in a week. Period.
January 29th, 2019 at 10:28 PM ^
There’s the evidence Khaleke, now you can, as you eloquently put it, shut up. There are multitudes of studies on this topic, it’s not even a debate. Try learning for yourself instead of hanging on anecdotal bs stories.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^
If you ain't cheating, your not trying hard enough.
January 29th, 2019 at 12:23 AM ^
If you ain't cheatin', you're only cheatin' yourself
January 29th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^
Perfect comment for your avatar!
January 28th, 2019 at 2:23 PM ^
It’s rampant and the product that dexter Lawrence claims he was positive for (ostarine) is used all the time as a post cycle therapy to re stimulate the production of natural testosterone, which shuts down when there is an abundance of the artificial stuff. Very rarely do guys get caught with the actual steroids as much of the stuff is not known to regulators, it’s the PCT that gets flagged
January 28th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^
Now this blog educates me on steroid use and post cycle therapy. Wow!
January 28th, 2019 at 4:59 PM ^
All knowledge is good knowledge right?...ostarine is legal to obtain in many places too and used to mask what is really going on at times....when the big Clemson DT was doing interviews saying he had no idea why he was getting suspended I called it bullshit.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^
So why isn't Sparty winning titles?
January 28th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^
2 and 3 stars on juice < 4 and 5 stars on juice just sayin
January 28th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^
Which means 85% of the team has better masking agents than those losers.
Dabo not gonna like hearing about those idiots who got caught. Need to take more care before peeing in the cup boys.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
A lot of the stuff being used nowadays the tests haven’t caught up to the labs. I love the guy but it’s why Edelman tested positive but the league couldn’t determine what the substance actually was.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
Ding, ding, ding. And we have winner! You nailed it.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^
Misleading thread title. What the article says is that 15% of those that were screened (less than 20 players) tested positive. The title of this post implies that much more extensive testing was done and that the same results were found throughout the team.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^
Clemson coaches: "OK, we have some random drug testing today, I need all the kickers, walk-ons and team managers to report to the medical offices for testing...."
January 28th, 2019 at 2:40 PM ^
Not saying they are a clean program, but Dexter Lawrence isn't exactly a walk on.