Dallan Hayden is not an RB1 IMO. There is literally nothing to base that on except fan speculation.
You need 2 RB’s capable of being RB1 on your roster, depth matters.
If you don’t think OSU needed to hit the portal if Henderson didn’t return, who do you have as RB 2 and RB3 at OSU in that scenario?
I’ve never heard Michigan fans speak so highly of OSU’s RB room and staff.
Seth is entitled to his opinion/viewpoint, he clearly has a vast amount of knowledge/insight. Here are the facts. Alford signed 13 RB’s across 9 classes as shown below. Anyone who believes this is elite recruiting at OSU is entitled to think that, just as I am entitled to think that his recruiting was average.
2016: McCall played RB, WR & CB; Antonio Williams transferred to UNC
2017: JK was a 3-year starter & the only one to get drafted
2018: Snead was removed from the program; Teague had a role for a few years & went undrafted
2019: Chambers moved to LB, Crowley medically retired
2020: Miyan was a 4-year contributor (consolation for missing on Bijan), solid rb.
2021: Henderson's a 4-year starter; Pryor transferred to Cincy
2022: Hayden is RB 3 right now
2023: Lost Mark Fletcher to Miami
2024: James Peoples & Sam Williams-Dixon
Apologies, I didn’t know. I needed to spell it out, so let me try again. He has been to Ohio State for nine years where he recruited running backs. The non-running backs, he recruited were not at Ohio State, unless it was an Ohio kid like Tyreek Smith. Look at who he has recruited in the last nine years
Michigan picked up one of the best running back coaches in the country, he’s a mid recruiter.
7 of those 15 are either from Ohio or were not running backs. If Henderson went to the league as everyone expected, would a great recruiter have to hit the transfer portal to find a viable RB one? At Ohio State??
I’m not sure what source is so I can’t comment on what you read. Since I’m an OSU fan the board takes the opposite stance, regardless of the point being made. Let’s go to the map. He was a OSU nine years, sure is his all-time recruit rankings. Henderson and Dobbins are elite. You don’t get credit for recruiting in Ohio kid at Ohio State, they are coming if they get an offer. Take out the Ohio kids and show me all of the other elite running backs he has recruited in the last nine years. Calling him an elite coach and a mid recruiter isn’t trolling, it’s fact. I honestly don’t get how there is any pushback against that take from anyone who has followed Ohio State football the last nine years.
I think Dobbins and Corum are very comparable backs. JK seem to have more breakaway speed but they are very similar talents. Elliot was generational without a doubt. Alford coached Zeke but he didn’t recruit him. He is universally, regarded as a great coach, it is a nice win for Michigan.
Wow, what a 9 year run, only 2 of those backs are in the league. You can have these elite players and still be a bad recruiter when you don’t have depth. You’re also giving him credit for landing those players, you must’ve followed Ohio State recruiting close enough to know he didn’t close the deal on two of those backs.
OSU was simply lucky that Henderson came back this year and they were able to pick up a stud in the portal. Without that they would have no true RB1.
This isn’t some crazy take, his lack of recruiting is well known. There’s a reason his contract was not extended, and it wasn’t because of his coaching ability. You either have no clue or your trolling.
PS: I incorrectly stated that he participated in Ezekiel Elliotts recruitment. He did not, it was Stan Drayton and Urban Meyer.
He is a great coach, but not a great recruiter. He has been at OSU since 2015. He recruited or assisted in the recruiting of Elliot 2013, Weber 2015, Dobbins 2017, Teague 2018 and Henderson 2021.
Teague was good not great. Since 2017 the only great back he signed was Henderson.
As for his coaching ability, look the the difference in Dobbins from his Jr to Sr year, he made an elite jump.
The issue with Alford isn’t coaching, it’s his poor recruiting. The last recruit he sent to the league was Dobbins in 2020. IMO he is an elite RB coach, and if he gets recruiting help he will be a great fit at Michigan.
OSU doesn’t give him an extension and planned to keep him through 2025 and then make a decision. Strong move from a first year head coach to see the opportunity and make a deal.
The energy of the implosion would be roughly equal to a black hole collapsing. I think Day is a great coach, I’d retain him regardless if he lost The Game next year as long as he made the CFB championship game. Most don’t feel that way, and Michigan can set OSU football back a decade with a win in November by getting Day fired.
With all due respect, is that in Warde? Who is transferring to Michigan when it’s an open question on who the head coach will be next year? Uncertainty kills commitment. Michigan took 9 transfers last year as they loaded up for a run at the title, and another window opens in the spring. Coaching questions will be answered by then.
ESPN has been a propaganda machine since the day they signed the SEC tv deal. They pump up the SEC schools to improve their rankings which adds value to the contract. They are unwatchable.
The B1G own the media rights, period. A member school would not be able to produce their own games, those rights were packaged and resold to the networks. I don’t know if there is a buyout clause, but if so it so it would likely be so high that it would not be feasible.
I think the way that would play out is that the conference owns the rights to Michigan’s games, that’s part of the deal and doesn’t change if Michigan left. At least that’s the argument used in conference realignment.
Stallions was standing by their coaches and there are pics of him in clear view of J. McElwain. He has a visitors pass and CMU attire.
It’s not plausible that CMU coaches see someone standing by them, wearing their coaching attire with a visitor pass, and don’t know who that person is. Both McElwain (2018) and Kostner (2015-2018) were on staff at Michigan at the same time Stallions was assisting, they know him and what he looks like.
To me, the badge, attire, and standing with their staff is proof. It’s not a notarized statement, but it shows he wasn’t some random guy who jumped the fence, they knew who he was.
Per DFP, Stalions attended the Naval Academy from 2013-16 and assisted with the Midshipmen football team. He was stationed at a military base in California from 2015-22, while at the same time serving as a voluntary assistant for Michigan”
No point in discussing it further with someone who sees a pic of Stallions on the CMU sidelines, in CMU attire, and says “if someone at CMU let him on the sideline”. There is literal proof they let him on the sideline, it isn’t about anyone’s theory.
CMU staff standing next to the person alleged to be Stallions, who appears to be wearing sunglasses that contain a recording device, wearing all CMU coaching attire = complicity. That’s the point I was trying to make.
Weird, I read “If you want to claim CMU is complicit in some way, I think you need to work on it”
Back to the original post, CMU is at risk for being complicit and allowing him on the sidelines. It’s mind boggling that some want to debate that. CMU is concerned as well, which kinda makes the point.
Again, “If you do not think Stallions being on the CMU sideline with a visitor pass wearing CMU coaching attire makes them complicit, please tell me why”.
* He is Buckeye. Fixed that for you. Pointing out the obvious fact that CMU is now complicit is not trolling. I’m sorry you can’t distinguish between uncomfortable facts and “trolling”
Trolling would be a statement like “Harbaugh has still never beaten OSU without cheating. Day broke Harbaugh, he cracked, and started the largest cheating operation in NCAA history”. That’s not what I’m saying.
Take off you fan glasses for a moment and look at it rationally. If you do not think Stallions being on the CMU sideline with a visitor pass wearing CMU coaching attire makes them complicit, please tell me why. Otherwise, what are you defending?
So you think the CMU staff simply allows coaches from other teams to dress in their clothing and stand on their sidelines just for funsies? CMU staff has ties to UM, and it’s not a leap to think Stallions would help them decode signals if they allow him on the sidelines to get more tape. That is speculation, but CMU allowing him in their sidelines is not.
Wild you’re defending CMU, but explain how allowing him to dress in their coaching attire and stand on their sidelines without being complicit. Stop shooting the messenger and think.
CMU needs to be careful, if they are found complicit in the Michigan cheating scandal they will face blowback from the NCAA. Is there an NCAA version of a RICO case?
The problem with that is that unless all of the schools agree to depart from the NCAA, they are still the governing body. Their ability to shove a program off of a cliff is vastly superior to any school’s ability to push them off of a cliff. Everyone can “want” to give them the bird, but it’s a bad idea.
You can give your team the entire playbook and not suffer any material disadvantage. However, knowing what play the opposing team is getting ready to run is a huge advantage. It’s not difficult.
I’ll answer it again. You can’t change all of your signals in a week. You don’t anticipate such a vast spying network that your team will be scouted again after you change the signals. Notice how UM can barely lead Rutgers at halftime and do so well in the second half after they have re-cracked to code? Fun question, why do opposing teams that UM has scouted do so much worse on play action than opener they have not scouted/out of conference? It’s almost like it’s easier to depend when you know the run is not a threat on play action.
Source on this made up statement? The mental gymnastics to think it doesn’t offer a significant advantage while seeing the insane lengths Harbaugh and Co went to make sure they had the signals. Anyone who doesn’t understand the advantage it provides simply doesn’t know the game.
NCAA has clearly stated offers minimal competitive advantage
If you don’t know how that impacts the game, no one can explain it to you until you learn basic football. From there it’s much easier to explain why knowing the play that is being run will help you stop it. Hope that helps.
Happy to help. I’m guessing no coach in America anticipated Michigan staffers attending multiple games of theirs during the season. Any changes would be of no use when Harbaugh and Co are in the stands recording the new signals.
I think hiring/firing racist, the OC being fired with an ongoing FBI investigation, running the largest illicit sign stealing operation in sports, multiple recruiting/ lying infractions, hiding Mazi’s gun charge etc. have made it safe to say they haven’t been shooting for a moral high ground.
3 coaches in the program have been fired this year alone, all with issues related to morals, the high ground is safe.
So Jimmy is a rat and tried to turn Day in?? Sounds soft to me. 🙄
Harbaugh cut him off to accuse the second-year head coach of holding on-field drills before the Friday 8/7 start date for such practices. Harbaugh mentioned linebackers coach Al Washington by name and referenced a photo taken of Washington working with players that had been making the rounds
I’d love to chat with your friend, my experience is very different. You can change who the decoy is, what the hot signal is and other minor changes, but you cannot change your entire set of signs. This isn’t even debatable.
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I believe he has worked for Baalke multiple times (4?)
They are different roles, but I am not sure what responsibilities each role has at UM.
I could not agree more, give him a lifetime contract.
Exactly, you don’t get your first HC position at a place like Michigan or Ohio State. OSU is making a mistake with Deibler.
Dallan Hayden is not an RB1 IMO. There is literally nothing to base that on except fan speculation.
You need 2 RB’s capable of being RB1 on your roster, depth matters.
If you don’t think OSU needed to hit the portal if Henderson didn’t return, who do you have as RB 2 and RB3 at OSU in that scenario?
I’ve never heard Michigan fans speak so highly of OSU’s RB room and staff.
Seth is entitled to his opinion/viewpoint, he clearly has a vast amount of knowledge/insight. Here are the facts. Alford signed 13 RB’s across 9 classes as shown below. Anyone who believes this is elite recruiting at OSU is entitled to think that, just as I am entitled to think that his recruiting was average.
2016: McCall played RB, WR & CB; Antonio Williams transferred to UNC
2017: JK was a 3-year starter & the only one to get drafted
2018: Snead was removed from the program; Teague had a role for a few years & went undrafted
2019: Chambers moved to LB, Crowley medically retired
2020: Miyan was a 4-year contributor (consolation for missing on Bijan), solid rb.
2021: Henderson's a 4-year starter; Pryor transferred to Cincy
2022: Hayden is RB 3 right now
2023: Lost Mark Fletcher to Miami
2024: James Peoples & Sam Williams-Dixon
Apologies, I didn’t know. I needed to spell it out, so let me try again. He has been to Ohio State for nine years where he recruited running backs. The non-running backs, he recruited were not at Ohio State, unless it was an Ohio kid like Tyreek Smith. Look at who he has recruited in the last nine years
Michigan picked up one of the best running back coaches in the country, he’s a mid recruiter.
Finding the silver lining in any situation is an underrated life skill. Well done my friend.
7 of those 15 are either from Ohio or were not running backs. If Henderson went to the league as everyone expected, would a great recruiter have to hit the transfer portal to find a viable RB one? At Ohio State??
I’m not sure what source is so I can’t comment on what you read. Since I’m an OSU fan the board takes the opposite stance, regardless of the point being made. Let’s go to the map. He was a OSU nine years, sure is his all-time recruit rankings. Henderson and Dobbins are elite. You don’t get credit for recruiting in Ohio kid at Ohio State, they are coming if they get an offer. Take out the Ohio kids and show me all of the other elite running backs he has recruited in the last nine years. Calling him an elite coach and a mid recruiter isn’t trolling, it’s fact. I honestly don’t get how there is any pushback against that take from anyone who has followed Ohio State football the last nine years.
https://247sports.com/coach/tony-alford-210/alltimerecruits/
I think Dobbins and Corum are very comparable backs. JK seem to have more breakaway speed but they are very similar talents. Elliot was generational without a doubt. Alford coached Zeke but he didn’t recruit him. He is universally, regarded as a great coach, it is a nice win for Michigan.
Wow, what a 9 year run, only 2 of those backs are in the league. You can have these elite players and still be a bad recruiter when you don’t have depth. You’re also giving him credit for landing those players, you must’ve followed Ohio State recruiting close enough to know he didn’t close the deal on two of those backs.
OSU was simply lucky that Henderson came back this year and they were able to pick up a stud in the portal. Without that they would have no true RB1.
This isn’t some crazy take, his lack of recruiting is well known. There’s a reason his contract was not extended, and it wasn’t because of his coaching ability. You either have no clue or your trolling.
PS: I incorrectly stated that he participated in Ezekiel Elliotts recruitment. He did not, it was Stan Drayton and Urban Meyer.
He is a great coach, but not a great recruiter. He has been at OSU since 2015. He recruited or assisted in the recruiting of Elliot 2013, Weber 2015, Dobbins 2017, Teague 2018 and Henderson 2021.
Teague was good not great. Since 2017 the only great back he signed was Henderson.
As for his coaching ability, look the the difference in Dobbins from his Jr to Sr year, he made an elite jump.
The issue with Alford isn’t coaching, it’s his poor recruiting. The last recruit he sent to the league was Dobbins in 2020. IMO he is an elite RB coach, and if he gets recruiting help he will be a great fit at Michigan.
OSU doesn’t give him an extension and planned to keep him through 2025 and then make a decision. Strong move from a first year head coach to see the opportunity and make a deal.
The energy of the implosion would be roughly equal to a black hole collapsing. I think Day is a great coach, I’d retain him regardless if he lost The Game next year as long as he made the CFB championship game. Most don’t feel that way, and Michigan can set OSU football back a decade with a win in November by getting Day fired.
With all due respect, is that in Warde? Who is transferring to Michigan when it’s an open question on who the head coach will be next year? Uncertainty kills commitment. Michigan took 9 transfers last year as they loaded up for a run at the title, and another window opens in the spring. Coaching questions will be answered by then.
ESPN has been a propaganda machine since the day they signed the SEC tv deal. They pump up the SEC schools to improve their rankings which adds value to the contract. They are unwatchable.
Put it out there. Any/every school who is cheating should face the consequences.
The B1G own the media rights, period. A member school would not be able to produce their own games, those rights were packaged and resold to the networks. I don’t know if there is a buyout clause, but if so it so it would likely be so high that it would not be feasible.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911/big-ten-completes-7-year-7-billion-media-rights-agreement-fox-cbs-nbc?platform=amp
I think the way that would play out is that the conference owns the rights to Michigan’s games, that’s part of the deal and doesn’t change if Michigan left. At least that’s the argument used in conference realignment.
Stallions was standing by their coaches and there are pics of him in clear view of J. McElwain. He has a visitors pass and CMU attire.
It’s not plausible that CMU coaches see someone standing by them, wearing their coaching attire with a visitor pass, and don’t know who that person is. Both McElwain (2018) and Kostner (2015-2018) were on staff at Michigan at the same time Stallions was assisting, they know him and what he looks like.
To me, the badge, attire, and standing with their staff is proof. It’s not a notarized statement, but it shows he wasn’t some random guy who jumped the fence, they knew who he was.
Per DFP, Stalions attended the Naval Academy from 2013-16 and assisted with the Midshipmen football team. He was stationed at a military base in California from 2015-22, while at the same time serving as a voluntary assistant for Michigan”
So you agree that CMU is complicit?
No point in discussing it further with someone who sees a pic of Stallions on the CMU sidelines, in CMU attire, and says “if someone at CMU let him on the sideline”. There is literal proof they let him on the sideline, it isn’t about anyone’s theory.
CMU staff standing next to the person alleged to be Stallions, who appears to be wearing sunglasses that contain a recording device, wearing all CMU coaching attire = complicity. That’s the point I was trying to make.
Weird, I read “If you want to claim CMU is complicit in some way, I think you need to work on it”
Back to the original post, CMU is at risk for being complicit and allowing him on the sidelines. It’s mind boggling that some want to debate that. CMU is concerned as well, which kinda makes the point.
Early candidate for post of the year, thx for putting in the work to detail all of that data.
The post realignment P12 and B12 view is wild; Go Beavers.
Again, “If you do not think Stallions being on the CMU sideline with a visitor pass wearing CMU coaching attire makes them complicit, please tell me why”.
* He is Buckeye. Fixed that for you. Pointing out the obvious fact that CMU is now complicit is not trolling. I’m sorry you can’t distinguish between uncomfortable facts and “trolling”
Trolling would be a statement like “Harbaugh has still never beaten OSU without cheating. Day broke Harbaugh, he cracked, and started the largest cheating operation in NCAA history”. That’s not what I’m saying.
Take off you fan glasses for a moment and look at it rationally. If you do not think Stallions being on the CMU sideline with a visitor pass wearing CMU coaching attire makes them complicit, please tell me why. Otherwise, what are you defending?
*edit in bold
So you think the CMU staff simply allows coaches from other teams to dress in their clothing and stand on their sidelines just for funsies? CMU staff has ties to UM, and it’s not a leap to think Stallions would help them decode signals if they allow him on the sidelines to get more tape. That is speculation, but CMU allowing him in their sidelines is not.
Wild you’re defending CMU, but explain how allowing him to dress in their coaching attire and stand on their sidelines without being complicit. Stop shooting the messenger and think.
CMU needs to be careful, if they are found complicit in the Michigan cheating scandal they will face blowback from the NCAA. Is there an NCAA version of a RICO case?
Sorry, it took a minute.
Wow, so it’s ok if he says it…
Now you’re just being rude, we are on the same side. Goodness.
Something Michigan and Ohio State can agree on! Make it a lifetime deal please.
The problem with that is that unless all of the schools agree to depart from the NCAA, they are still the governing body. Their ability to shove a program off of a cliff is vastly superior to any school’s ability to push them off of a cliff. Everyone can “want” to give them the bird, but it’s a bad idea.
It is cheating regardless of who does it, stop trying to make something very simple difficult. Breaking rules = Bad.
You are confusing who gives a F with panic. Seek help
That’s funny, but I’m not going to not reply to keep from losing imaginary points from downvoting. Sorry.
*snitched on a zoom call. Nice reach tho
You can give your team the entire playbook and not suffer any material disadvantage. However, knowing what play the opposing team is getting ready to run is a huge advantage. It’s not difficult.
I’ll answer it again. You can’t change all of your signals in a week. You don’t anticipate such a vast spying network that your team will be scouted again after you change the signals. Notice how UM can barely lead Rutgers at halftime and do so well in the second half after they have re-cracked to code? Fun question, why do opposing teams that UM has scouted do so much worse on play action than opener they have not scouted/out of conference? It’s almost like it’s easier to depend when you know the run is not a threat on play action.
Source on this made up statement? The mental gymnastics to think it doesn’t offer a significant advantage while seeing the insane lengths Harbaugh and Co went to make sure they had the signals. Anyone who doesn’t understand the advantage it provides simply doesn’t know the game.
NCAA has clearly stated offers minimal competitive advantage
We grew up if different neighborhoods, where I grew up a snitch is a snitch, period.
If you don’t know how that impacts the game, no one can explain it to you until you learn basic football. From there it’s much easier to explain why knowing the play that is being run will help you stop it. Hope that helps.
Happy to help. I’m guessing no coach in America anticipated Michigan staffers attending multiple games of theirs during the season. Any changes would be of no use when Harbaugh and Co are in the stands recording the new signals.
I can’t wait either. The last time there was a game when Jimmy didn’t know our signals he pretend the team was sick and ducked them.
I think hiring/firing racist, the OC being fired with an ongoing FBI investigation, running the largest illicit sign stealing operation in sports, multiple recruiting/ lying infractions, hiding Mazi’s gun charge etc. have made it safe to say they haven’t been shooting for a moral high ground.
3 coaches in the program have been fired this year alone, all with issues related to morals, the high ground is safe.
So Jimmy is a rat and tried to turn Day in?? Sounds soft to me. 🙄
Harbaugh cut him off to accuse the second-year head coach of holding on-field drills before the Friday 8/7 start date for such practices. Harbaugh mentioned linebackers coach Al Washington by name and referenced a photo taken of Washington working with players that had been making the rounds
I’d love to chat with your friend, my experience is very different. You can change who the decoy is, what the hot signal is and other minor changes, but you cannot change your entire set of signs. This isn’t even debatable.
You clearly don’t grasp how complex the signs are, you l don’t simply haul out all new signs in a week.
Edit - deleted accidental double post. Thanks