Michigan recruiting by the numbers
2016
Composite Top 100 commits: 6
Composite Top 247 commits: 9
Total # of 4/5 star commits: 13
Total # of 3 star commits: 14
Class Rank: #8 overall
2017
Composite Top 100 commits: 6
Composite Top 247 commits: 14
Total # of 4/5 star commits: 21
Total # of 3 star commits: 9
Class Rank: #5 overall
2018
Composite Top 100 commits: 0
Composite Top 247 commits: 5
Total # of 4/5 star commits: 7
Total # of 3 star commits: 12
Class Rank: #21 overall
2019
Composite Top 100 commits: 2
Composite Top 247 commits: 3
Total # of 4/5 star commits: 5
Total # of 3 star commits: 5
Class Rank: TBD
For comparison, last year OSU signed 13 top 100 players and 20 in the composite top 247. In 2017 they signed 11 in the composite top 100 (five 5 stars) and 17 in the composite top 247.
Class of 2011 here! You're a miserable cunt and your existence makes this board worse.
You know what's miserable, losing to OSU every year and watching my team fail to win a B1G title since Bush was in office.
yea for maybe a week. but for most normal people there are other things in life.
you should call in to michigan insider and complain. this morning i heard this guy named terry complain and cry to sam about offering a middle school kid QB. a few callers later Carter from Deja Vu called to offer terry a freebie in the boom boom room to let him vent some steam.
you should ask for carter.
Life gets better when you finally realize it is not "my team". You don't put in the sweat and blood. You don't manage the coaching staff. Any amount you donate doesn't come close to paying for the program.
You cheer for Michigan. Michigan is your alma mater (or not, doesn't matter). You are a fan. You may wear a lot of their apparel to show your pride and support. But Michigan is not your team. That defeats the whole concept of The Team, The Team, The Team.
If it's causing you that much misery then why wallow in that misery on message boards/twitter complaining every day? Maybe take a step back? Find a new hobby that doesn't make you miserable?
Alum?
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I'm an alum too. But who gives a shit?
I am not an alum. What is your point?
That means, according to Bluey, he is a bigger and more qualified fan than you
Ah, I see.
I guess I should probably start towing the line he is laying down, seeing as he is more qualified in his fandom.
I feel bad for anyone that puts up with you in the real world.
Drew Sharp is an alum. He never said much of anything positive either.
Remember alum96's swim lanes? Those were great posts.
These, not so much.
You know....if everyone just ignored him and didn't respond or vote or pay any attention, he would just be the proverbial tree falling in the proverbial forest.
Don't feed trolls.
Sadly, for this to be even marginally effective, we would need the thread authors to be identified a little more conspicuously, and even then, I am sure 80% of us at least cannot help ourselves. I unfortunately count myself among them.
For all the bitching about bluey, everyone that comments about him is just as bad. Yall make the posts more difficult to read than anything. This actually has content. Put your take about that, and quit trying to be cool and get your digs in. This board is becoming worse and worse by the day. Can't wait for the post in 10 minutes bitching about bluey.
I would agree it has content in that is has numbers and words, but as always Bluey/Maizen isn't willing to put any work into the parts of his "content" that disagrees with the negative premise he wants. Note he didn't mention top-100 commits by OSU in 2016. You know why? Because Michigan and OSU were effectively identical there (6 to 7 M-OSU, with OSU's 7th #98 and Michigan's 7th #107). And as for 2017, picking the top-100 is just a nice round number. Had he picked, say, the top-150, then it's Michigan 11, OSU 12. Top 250? Again basically the same (14 to 15). But again, those don't fit into the narrative. And a super-premature 2019 discussion? We're at 3 to 5 for top-250 commits, and that's still a long way to go.
So the only point he's making is that 2018 was a down year. This is news to absolutely nobody. And it's a point he's made a number of times, in various incarnations of this post/username. So it's old and tiring and because it bugs him so much, people will keep pointing out how dumb it is.
Don’t go anywhere. The people who attack you would be praising you and lighting cigars in your honor if the numbers were more favorable and you posted them.
People rip the MSU and osu boards as loaded with homers, and then they turn around and whine anytime something is posted that does not fit neatly into the desired narrative.
The numbers speak for themselves. These people just don’t want to see the numbers and blame the messenger.
I am fine with not having the consensus opinion. Everyone can think how they want. However, it is understandable that people view Bluey as a troll when this post goes up within an hour of a commit by a 2020 player rated (by 247 anyway) that is just outside the top 300.
My post said nothing about 2020 recruiting.
I did not say that you did. I was simpling pointing out that to a board who thinks you only focus on the negative, the timing of the post after a commitment from a player who isn’t a 4/5 Star feeds into that narrative.
Well said. And don't worry I'm not going anywhere. I find it funny/sad how mad people can get behind their anonymous screen names. Some real vile things being said. If I didn't know any better I'd call it cyber bullying, but I know it's just people upset that don't want anything bad said about their precious football team.
I agree here. Sure Bluey is a douche by constantly sharing any negative recruiting news but that doesn’t make him wrong. We haven’t signed a top 100 player in almost a year and it doesn’t look like any are coming in the near future. Recruiting isn’t fine right now but I’m thinking a good season will change that.
Does recruiting take rankings based on when good players are signed? Asking for a friend
Agree.
The reaction to some of his posts are not only inappropriate but completely embarrassing.
It's one thing to be negative. There are posters that are consistently negative. It's just bluey that's obnoxious. Look at this thread, he's challenging people to link to his shit posts from an old account that got caved for being a douche. He knows it's impossible to prove he's maizen so he's being an ass about it.
Besides when his only reasoning is "Harbaugh makes $7 million" that's not analysis or information, that's a bullshit hot take.
What's bullshit is people saying I said all these things I didn't and then brining it up as if it somehow invalidates whatever point or discussion I'm trying to have.
As for the Harbaugh salary part, you wouldn't expect a guy in the NBA who makes the veterans minimum to produce as much as James Harden or LeBron James or Kevein Durant. Guy is getting paid like a top 3 coach but hasn't been recruiting like one over the last year. Didn't coach like one either. That's not really debatable and it's funny people get mad when I point it out.
I'd love to know the expert analysis you've employed to determine his coaching ability vis a vis his salary, but as you noted, it's not "debatable" so we are at a bit of an impasse.
So are you denying that you were/are Maizen and that you were wrong about Beilein? You aren't really trying to have a discussion, at this point you're just trying to be inflammatory. Not to mention it does invalidate your point, because again it just proves you get upset about something and post a fire from the hip hot take, with no regard to context and lacking any basis.
To address the Harbaugh salary thing. No one is debating it or mad about it, you just keep going back to the same old well. And what are you trying to prove? That coaches should be paid according to their recruiting acumen and nothing else? Your example is weak so here is a better one: A few months ago, Stafford got the biggest contract in NFL history, then Garappolo then Cousins, then Ryan. Are any of them the best QB in the league right now? No. Sometimes the market and other forces push salaries out of line with performance. Just deal with it, it has no effect on your life. If you have such a problem with his salary then stop giving money to the athletic department through tickets and gear.
I also want to point out how dumb your money argument is that you keep posting on here. You said something to the effect that "OMG Michigan has spent all this money on a new stadium and $20 million on weight room and $15 million on a performance center". Well that ignores the fact that Ohio State spent $45 million, Clemson spent $50 million on their football performance center, Oregon spent $70 million. So maybe you should be yelling that we aren't spending enough to get recruits...
Agree.
I am not up to speed on the particulars. There is clearly some built up angst with the OP.
You want to know why OSU has taken us to the woodshed - it's in black and white.
I am in the camp that believes we are performing under normal historical Michigan standards under Harbaugh. Due the last 10 years of utter incompetence, things seem worse. The real gripe is the 1-6 vs the rivals. In general, I believe the focus is now on football (not camps or media attention) and the "lucky" bounces will start to even out the results in the upcoming years.
Without the huge classes in 2016 and 2017, last years recruiting class would be more concern. 2017 was lighter in quality and quantity. I mean it is what it is. There is a talent gap. With Meyer as the coach, it's really hard to make up the difference in coaching. Harbaugh has done a fantastic job the last two years.
The obnoxious thing about blueys posts to me is that he says the same things/ brings up the same points every damn day. Obviously everyone wishes Michigan's recruiting mirrored Ohio State's or Alabama's... duh. But most people, by nature, don't enjoy being beaten over the head with negative news every-single-day, especially when there literally is nothing we as fans can do to change it. That's why he comes across as a troll.
I’m a miserable fuck too, but this is out of control.
Exactly what I said when I realized Michigan has lost 15 of the last 16 to OSU.
As a Buckeye fan, I've been following this site for a while just to get a feel of what how our rivals view OSU (despite the obvious dislike for OSU). I will be upfront that inwnjoy nothing more than seeing OSU beat Michigan every year, but I'm also objective about both teams when they don't play each other. This guy (Bluey) cracks me up so bad, since I started reading recently. At first I thought he just didn't like the recruting level of Mochigan, but after this post... I think this guy might need to take some time off the internet and just anything related to football.
Why do I get a sense that everyone agreeing with Bluey in this thread are just him signing in under different names. He seems to have pissed of everyone that isn’t him
I can tell you I'm not FWIW... and what do you disagree about?
I’m with the majority in that Bluey is just a miserable person. He doesn’t actually add anything to the board. He starts fights, then runs away when challenged. Bluey presents data that matches his point and ignores anything else anyone says to him.
That’s fair. I don’t I don’t like Bluey either but what you said does go both ways for many people.
What data? I am right here and not running away from anything.
What are you “right” about though? That OSU is recruiting better than us? Yeah, no shit. We don’t need a post each day of you reminding us that. It’s why people think you troll, myself included. You have a negative spin on everything. Just yesterday we got a recruit from Ohio that had an OSU offer and your reaction was that Urban really didn’t want him. That is what a troll does. Right now you are concern trolling about a recruiting cycle that doesn’t end for 7 months. That is what a troll does
Not saying it in the same way as Bluey/Maizen but he's right.
It is depressing to lose to OSU in recruiting and especially on the field. Recruiting leads to on the field results and this has been proven time and time again. Hard to get excited about 3 star commits.
And whats your point? And can you suggest a solution? Should we fire Harbaugh? Or ignore idiotic pointless drivel such as this?
Do you think that people are unaware of the recruiting that has happened here & at OSU? Constant complaining makes you a troll. Illustrating the obvious makes you a troll.
Can the mods ban his ip address yet?
I don’t understand all the bitching. The elite teams in college football aren’t winning championships with a roster full of three star recruits. The Blue dude has a valid point. And by the way, nobody bitched to Brian after the Ohio St game when Brian said recruiting has to get better
You really don't understand? This place HATES bad news and especially hates accurate and factual bad news.
So rather than discuss the problem (and news flash here guys-our recruiting IS a problem) the mob would rather attack the poster who pointed it out.
It's pretty damn predictable
Old you have to like the Ohio recruiting though? Isn't that your #1 complaint?
I do like that and yes, lack of attention to Ohio (and Michigan too FWIW) while we chased a pipe dream with satellite camps is biting is in the ass hard right now.
Recruiting is almost exclusively built on relationships and you can't build them in your backyard while your 1500 miles away in buttfuck Alabama trying to get rufus t bumwoody jr to come further north than he's ever seen on a map. That's my #1 complaint. Lack of attention to our traditional recruiting grounds has hurt us badly and burned out the coaching staff too I'll bet.
No, it's because he does nothing but post negative hot takes all the time. It's pretty damn annoying.
What's negative or a hot take in this post. Explain.
Come on man, getting your ass beat is negative. Drawing attention to it every time possible is negative.
Look, you are not wrong. But you do become an ass when you pretend like you dont enjoy this response.