Sunday Snowflakes
So, technically it is Sunday. I've been stuck working at the bar since the second I left my home after 4th and 2. I was late, but what the hell else was I supposed to do? Did anyone else see that Michigan game yesterday, what a comeback. So here is your official "Let's not push everything off the front page because I want to critique our punt return formation" thread.
As per usual, I will not post my opinions in the OP, as to not destroy the sanctity of the snowflake thread. I will, however, assume all you chuckleheads are asleep and be the first to post my thoughts in the replies...
Topics du jour of the day:
Denard vs. Devin
The QB rushing record
Mattison / Borges feelings for the week
Holy shit did you see that catch that Roundtree made?
Brunette girls (even sure thing brunettes, they still count too)
How good is Northwestern?
Do we even have a shot at Indy?
At what point(s) did you think we would win or had no hope?
Magnets, how do they work?
EDIT: I see BiSB has nuked a Denard vs. Devin thread already. Keep it civil in here guys, as I think that is a legitimate talking point, even though I think most of us desperately want to see Denard start and understand that there is a 0% chance otherwise. That doesn't mean some of us can't be extremely impressed and somewhat fickle. If nothing else, this topic points to the fact that we have two very solid options. Which is something. Also, it points to boo for the coaching staff in regards to letting us flounder against Nebraska.
November 11th, 2012 at 3:41 AM ^
I'm glad you asked, bwgrudt1484, here is what I think:
Borges has officially added the "draw the other team offsides and throw the deep pass" play to our repetoire. Notice that there were times that NW did not jump, and our offense had to look to the sidelines for the ACTUAL play call. I count this as a point for Borges. This will work 1-2 times a game on average, but will help out our sorta dismal OL in the fact that the DL can't key off the snap count.
Last year I suggested Denard may be our Juice Williams, but Denard is more like Barry Sanders. An amazing talent that spent quite a bit of his time on an underperforming team. Makes bad plays more often than most (Barry had sooo many rushes for loss) but was so electric that it more than compensated. Even without a rushing record, Barry was the best pure talent at his position in the history of the game.
I now expect our defense to get the stop. When we went up in the 4th, I thought the game was over. I award 612 points for Mattison. When did this change of opinion happen? Even though our defense let in the TD, I was confident that we would stop them until we didn't. This says a lot.
Devin has a more well rounded game. I know there are a lot of Denard lovers, of which I include myself, but Devin made more "wow" throws in two games than Denard has all year. He had the pick to almost lose it, but that comes with this being his second start. Denard has been the most giving player I ever remember playing for the good guys. He deserves to start when he is healthy, but I expect to hear some grumbling that wasn't there before when he throws his next pick. This is a good sign for next year though. Shane won't have to fumble through his true freshman year as the starter.
How many miracle catches can our receiving unit have until they are no longer underrated? We don't have any Braylon's on our team, but we always seem to have someone show up at the right time. I definitely think Gallon gets looks in the NFL next season.
Who did Nebraska sell their soul to? The devil couldn't even pull off the tricks that they have. They should have four losses. I don't think they are that good of a team. They will get embarassed in the Rose Bowl if that future comes to pass.
November 11th, 2012 at 4:49 AM ^
Nebraska does not believe in the devil. They believe in nothing.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:23 AM ^
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
-Walter Sobchak
November 11th, 2012 at 7:44 AM ^
No, Donny, these men are cowards.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:49 AM ^
Oh... that must be exhausting.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:01 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 1:17 PM ^
You argue that the WRs don't get enough credit for their miracle catches, yet you say that Nebraska isn't a good team because they have miracle wins. I agree that Nebraska isn't as good as your typical Rose Bowl team, but then again the Big Ten is not as good as if normally is either.
November 11th, 2012 at 4:33 PM ^
I don't think you put heavy blame on the QB when the offense has scored 28 and the QB is responsible for only one turnover.
November 11th, 2012 at 4:09 AM ^
Also, I live and work in the Columbus area. If the past weeks have given me nothing else (outside of two wins), they have given me the pleasure of bragging that our backup QB is every bit as good as OSU's Heisman candidate. OSU fans turn funny colors when you push this argument hard. It's wonderful.
And... Brady Hoke will enter his 3rd year as a Michigan coach undefeated at home. Awesome. Has that happened?
November 11th, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
I'm not usually that supersticious but we should beat Iowa before saying Brady Hoke will enter his third season undefeated at home.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:11 PM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 4:26 AM ^
Should we leave you two alone
November 11th, 2012 at 5:05 AM ^
I kept thinking to myself that Northwestern did a much better job of finding our weakness and exploiting it, and I wished we would do the same. Sad panda.
I blamed the late NW TD in the first half on Norfleet and Borges: Norfleet for obvious reasons. Borges for that frustratingly unproductive dive play on 2nd down, deep in our territory. It went for 2 yards and forced us into a 3rd and long which we obviously didn't convert.
Throughout the game I was frustrated with Thomas Gordon, Cam Gordon, and Joe Bolden.
I was happy with Fitz, Lewan, and Roundtree.
I remember thinking with 18 seconds left, "I've seen enough miracles work against us.....I think today we have our own miracle". But never in a million years did I envision a catch of a lifetime like Roundtree's.
Sadly, I don't see Nebraska losing. %^•@&K!!!!!!
November 11th, 2012 at 7:05 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 8:48 AM ^
These are the two serious and valid criticisms of Devin's game at this point, but given that this was ony his second start at the position, i'd be surprised if there isn't significant improvement both from effort and simply adjusting to the speed of the game as he grows more comfortable/experienced.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:43 PM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 1:48 PM ^
Devin definitely looks like a great pocket passer, especially for someone who was a serious dual-threat QB prospect. He's got some fast feet, but I love his pocket presence more than anything else about him. Looks like he's got a good future ahead of him at QB. That being said, I do miss Denard. There's nothing like seeing him break off a big run.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:21 PM ^
Lewan played well overall, but he messed up on one of the QB sacks. He blocked nobody at all, and the blitzing defender to his left went completely unblocked.
November 11th, 2012 at 6:28 AM ^
The OL is pathetic...If you told me we had the top prospect for the upcoming NFL draft at LT, I would think we would at least have a great unit, but man, our OGs and Meahler are terrible as a group. There is no push in the running game and too many times do they let there man dictate the pass rush in throwing situations.
I also noticed that the CBs on our team are horrible at getting off of blocks. The DL and Lbs did a great job of taking their man on the option (the qb) but then it seemed like noone was there to take the pitch man. This needs to change before OSU
November 11th, 2012 at 6:38 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 6:38 AM ^
With regards to Gardner at QB, after 2 games as a starter, he is now 28-47 for 520 yards, 2 INTs and 4 passing TDs as well as 3 rushing TDs, which is good for an overall QB rating of 172.09, if that particular stat intrigues anyone. Yesterday was another good performance from someone that wasn't even in consideration to play QB this season a few short weeks ago.
As for the QB rushing record, Denard Robinson is 306 yards from 4,481, which would be one more than Pat White. Assuming he played in the remaining regular season games and one bowl, that would mean an average of at least 102 yards rushing per game.
November 11th, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 7:14 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 10:41 AM ^
Agreed. I feel much better about Borges going forward. The improved passing gives the offense better balance.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:28 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 8:01 AM ^
Excellent simile: great way to start off my day. I was also extremely irritated by Fitzgerald's "fitz" on the sidelines, and his celebration of a late hit. I think he was actually overcelebrating to "congratulate" the refs after the late hit, and should have been called for a 15-yard personal foul, which would have been an offsetting penalty.
November 11th, 2012 at 9:08 AM ^
Reach
November 11th, 2012 at 9:32 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 11:12 AM ^
Take a look at the beginning of this video. You can't miss him in the late 20s.
By the way, I'd add that while this was a pretty dumb thing to celebrate, I'm not sure it changes my opinion of him at all. Was it over the top? Sure. He still does a good job coaching at a non-ideal spot, his players play tough and disciplined football, I've never heard anyone say he or his program lacks class and his teams usually lead the conference in academic measures. I'd be perfectly happy if Northwestern won every game except ours.
November 11th, 2012 at 11:26 AM ^
Thanks for posting this. I think I'm willing to excuse that as a "heat of the moment" thing from a fired up coach. Weird, no doubt, but this doesn't strike me as seriously unsportsmanlike.
November 11th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^
I think it was meant more for his team and the ref's than anything else...
November 11th, 2012 at 1:27 PM ^
But he is also one of the biggest whiners when a call doesn't go the way he thinks it should have. It would have been more entertaining to watch his temper tantrum if the ref hadn't thrown the flag.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:39 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 1:53 PM ^
I also noticed that he's great with taking advantage of the free plays that the opponents' defenses give him. He did it against Minnesota too. Definitely an impressive quality. I also like that he's not afraid to stand in the pocket and take the hit after throwing the ball. The kid is fearless.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:48 AM ^
I, for one, am thankful for our win against NW, as I am thankful for this new hit video
However, I am severely depressed about Nebraska's happy dance with the general bloody-mindedness of the universe
November 11th, 2012 at 12:36 PM ^
How does this guy not get banned for this???
November 11th, 2012 at 1:54 PM ^
I made it 16 seconds into that video. That has to be a record of some sort.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:08 AM ^
There isn't a blog-wide ban on discussing Denard vs. Devin. It's a fair (although in my mind overblown) topic of conversation. There is, however, a blogwide ban on creating the same damn thread that has been created many, many times without providing anything new, especially when the conversation is one that is ALWAYS a shitstorm that ends with someone getting banned for calling someone else a f*cktard.
As for the magnets, they work because Mattison tells them to.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:25 PM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 1:45 PM ^
I need to see this.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:28 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 9:00 AM ^
Yeah let's face it, Fitzgerald was being sarcastic with that reaction and after the fact it's pretty damn funny. If Hoke had the same reaction to anything it would already be GIF'd, Hall-of-Fame'd-and "Photoshop Thread"ed.
Lest, he will not.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:19 AM ^
I am going to go on record (and incur some serious negs) or saying that I like our offense a hell of a lot more with Devin at qb. I love Denard - he is my favorite m player since Woodson - but he is just not a complete qb and his limitations consistently allow good defenses to stop our offense. Not all of this is on Denard - some of it is a result of the Denard Borges fusion simply not working out well - but it exists and I fear that it will not hangs with 2-4 games left. it is great to see a qb make NFL looking throws, check off of his first target and know when to scramble. Devin is a true "dual threat" as he can hurt you with his arm or his legs. At this point, Denard is not.
That said, once Denard is ready to play, he deserves the start. Guy has given too much to this program and to this staff for him to sit his final few games. And, despite limitations, on more than kne occasion, he has brought out magic to win us games. But, devin is too got at qb to sit - Borges needs to get both of these guys involved, be it in the 2-qb set or in some rotation.
2. Our OL
No point in overanalyzing this. They are terrible this year and are killing us. How much of fitz and maybe Denard) having crappy 2012 is on them? I would say a lot. Hard to run with no holes and Hard to throw when you are running for your life.
3. Defense - they got a key stop, but man did they look bad today. Shitty tackling, many open lands, missed assignments ad limited pressured up front.
4. Corners
Good thing thing that some of those long passes were over thrown, bc our corners did allow too much separation. Also, please thank your diety g choice forth existence of kovaks.
5. WR
Gallon and tree - awesome game. Made some great catches and got nice yac. Without devin here, though, this position group is woefully thin. Also, question: why is funchess not a WR? I know the TE / WR distinction can blur, but it seems like he is needed more here.
That's all I got.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:31 AM ^
November 11th, 2012 at 8:58 AM ^
2. Yes, they do. They look even worse when we can't pass effectively and defenses can key on the run with extra guys in the box.
3. At times they handled the option decently, at others they didn't at all. There were more than a few occasions of overpursuit instead of staying at home that allowed the option the edge, especially with a very late pitch. Ryan went for the QB kill a little too often when playing the pitch might have forced the play inside where there were more bodies. But the option is damned tough to defend.
I'm a little more concerned about when Simeon came in and they were getting serious mismatches and finding the middle of the field wide open.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:28 AM ^
Some of Devins success also comes from the inability of the oppossing teams to prep for him.
If you are the DC of the opposition, you have tons of game tape of Denard and his running game. Do you assume Denard is going to play and prep the team for him? Of course.
This prep for Denard calls for LB blitzes and putting 8 guys in the box. But the Devin comes in and this doesn't work so well. Now you need to cover play action - but you haven't practiced this all week.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:30 AM ^
I just can't get over how well Gardner has played, and I wonder why he wasn't given reps at QB all season to provide insurance for Robinson. Gardner = win over Nebraska, IMO.
If Robinson can't go next week, I think that Gardner should get the start against Ohio State, even if Robinson is healthy for OSU, if only because Robinson will likely be too rusty from all the misssed time.
I haven't heard anything about Bellomy's status lately. I saw Kennedy warming up with Devin pre-game, but didn't see Bellomy all game. I know he's listed as injured, but havent' heard anything more. I wonder if there is something else going on. At this point, Bellomy's gonna be the odd man out, with Devin being the man next year and Morris as the man in waiting.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:54 AM ^
I was about ready to throw my remote through the TV if Mattison blitzed again on 3rd down leaving wide open WR's for NW downfield after we miss 30 tackles trying to sack Colter.. Good god that was so frustrating...
Then after the 3rd blown 3rd and long blitz he finally backed out of it and we stopped them.. Weird
November 11th, 2012 at 9:03 AM ^