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Brian

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Brian,

1. Does the CCHA rejecting Alabama's bid start to pave the way for Penn State to go varsity?

Probably not. All the reasons Penn State varsity hockey was unlikely the last time this blog addressed the topic still apply minus one: no conference to go to. Now Penn State could slot into UNO's spot in the CCHA and play a bunch a games against Big Ten teams and Notre Dame, which would put their program on decent footing financially. The CCHA, meanwhile, would be much more likely to accept a name school like Penn State.

That's a big hurdle gone and improves the chances of Penn State varsity hockey from 0% to something nonzero. But the rest of the pile of reasons it's not likely to happen—expense, Title IX, likely doormat status at the start—still apply. We can also toss "endowment-crushing economic collapse" on the heap now.

There is one wild scenario in which I could see some movement: the Big Ten Network wants content on Friday and Saturday nights and thinks that the CCHA with Penn State would be enough of a financial draw that they chip in.

[Side note/question: the CCHA's persistent attachment to Fox Sports Net is weird, since FSN craps all over college hockey whenever they've got a Wings game from 1985 to replay. I can only assume there's a contract that doesn't expire quite yet, because the BTN would be a natural fit for the league. Every team not in Alaska is in the footprint, and nothing else ever happens on Friday night.

Also, the glorious high definition of last year's BTN-broadcast Ohio State game left me crippled the next time I tried to squint at a Fox Sports' two-pixels-a-second stuff. Complicating factor: Fox is 49% owner of the BTN.]

2. Back in 2004, what (if any) were the reports out of practice in terms of the quarterback situation? I don't think it even occurred to me before he took the field that Henne might be the starter for the first game. All of the praise heaped on Tate so far made me want to check for a comparison.

-Brian DeHaven

Unfortunately, this blog started up just before the Rose Bowl that season and I can't go back and tell you definitively. What I remember (and this may be wrong; commenters are encouraged to provide their own take in the comments) is that Henne was recognized as an incredibly advanced high school quarterback and there was considerable uncertainty as to whether Gutierrez or Henne would get the job.

However, Henne was a surprise starter. I remember the muttering in the pregame warmups as it became clear that Gutierrez wasn't throwing and Henne was running the first-team offense. It was clear Gutierrez was injured and IIRC the base assumption was that Henne only had the job until such time as the real starter got healthy. This was not a correct assumption.

Hey Brian,

 

Just wondering, how many scholarships we have next year?  I thought I heard we had 20, but then we had a whole slew of kids leave the program.  Don’t we get those scholarships back?  Shouldn’t we be thrilled when these kids leave the program when they can’t play for us anyway?

I just looked on Rivals and it says we have 18 kids committed.  If we still stand at 20, that means we’ve pretty much hitched our wagon to these 3 star kids (who are probably better than that, based on their fit in our schemes) instead of waiting until some of the bigger name kids commit in Feb.

Do we have more than 20 scholarships?

Thanks for the help!

Aarronn

Yes, Aarronn—last name Herrmann FTW?—Michigan gets those scholarships back. Did you miss the constant bitching about this fact re: Alabama? This blog's current count stands at 20 but that's under the following assumptions:

  • Moundros and Kelvin Grady on scholarship until they graduate.
  • Morales and Sheridan are not.
  • All fifth-year players return.
  • No one leaves for the draft.
  • There's no other attrition.

Some of those are highly likely to be faulty: Bryan Wright and the Coner are not going to get fifth years unless they have incriminating photos of the coaching staff. And there's six months between now and signing day; it's likely a couple players leave the team for reasons of playing time, academics, or injury. (I had a dream last night that three more players left the team, FWIW, but I think they were all Marell Evans again.)

That will push Michigan's class to 23, 25, or even more. Add in a decommit or two and Michigan's still got a ways to go before its class is complete.

You're not wrong about hitching the wagon to three stars, though. This class is going to lag behind the average Michigan class, as discussed earlier. As long as Michigan fills their open scholarship and retains this class, though, it'll be a minor hindrance unless it happens again next year.

Brian,

One thing I have noticed is that you freak out at the possibility of Nick Sheridan starting the season opener or any other game during the rest of his time at Michigan.  My question is, Would it be all that bad if he did win the starting job come September 5th?  Now before you wonder where I have been for the last 18 months, hear me out.  If Sheridan has improved immensely during the spring, summer, and first few days of preseason and he outright beats both Forcier and Robinson, shouldn't that be encouraging?  Now we do have 2 or 3 legitimate QB options.  Wouldn't it be a good thing if Magee and Rodriguez could open up a majority of the playbook to a junior who actually has game experience and has started a D1 game?
 
I was at the spring game and was able to see Forcier and I have been keeping up on what his teammates have been saying about him and I am very excited and I am trusting this year will be much better than last.  However, they are saying good things about Sheridan as well.  I think it would be great if Forcier was slowly worked into more and more snaps during games and by Eastern or Indiana, he's the starter.
 
I guess I just won't be surprised if Sheridan or Forcier starts vs. Western.
Your further thoughts and reasoning behind not wanting Sheridan to ever play again except in mop-up duty.

Thanks,
Adam

I don't mean to slam Sheridan, who's just a guy put in an impossible position trying to make the best of everything. And I don't mean to slam Adam, who seems like a perfectly nice, if insanely optimistic, guy.

That said: were you under a rock last year? Do you remember what happened? I hate Godwin's law right now. I mean, what is your instant reaction to this AnnArbor.com video headline:

Michigan quarterback Nick Sheridan discusses - rather, avoids discussing - what he brings to the table

I know what it is. I know it in my bones. I know it in the bones of my bones. If you try to tell me it's not the cheap, obvious joke I will call you a liar.

I know you specifically disclaimed this sort of response, but… you're not allowed to do that. It is the correct, inevitable response. If Rodriguez chooses to play Sheridan at any point when Forcier is still mobile, that's either a huge failing in judgment or recruiting.

A brief recap of last year: 46% completion rate, 4.5 YPC, 2 TDs, 5 INTs. That's far, far worse than any true freshman starter in recent college football history save Jimmy Clausen, and Sheridan was a redshirt sophomore. He's a walk-on with zero recruiting profile with no indication he's got any upside. Why would he improve "immensely"? Why wouldn't Tate Forcier improve at a similar rate? Why isn't Forcier obviously ahead where Sheridan was last year given their vastly divergent spring games*? What part of the playbook can Sheridan, who's slower and has a weaker arm than Forcier, run that someone else can't?

Even immense improvement would only get Sheridan to the level of your average freshman quarterback. And even if that happens and it's close between Forcier, who should be better than your average freshman just because he's been bred to be a QB, and Sheridan—doubtful—you'd have to be nuts to go with a redshirt junior over a true freshman.  You'd have to be triple nuts to go with a redshirt junior who completed 16 of 49 for under 150 yards in the last two games of the year and was clearly, totally inadequate in the process. You'd have to be sextuple nuts to go with him a year after you picked him over a superior quarterback based on practice performance that turned out to be a mirage.

Sheridan was asked if he felt he was being written off, and responded like so:

“No,” Sheridan said. “Not at all. Nope.”

Well… I'm writing him off.  I am Time Warner. Sheridan is AOL. If he proves me wrong, well, fine. I suggest you join me in the most obscure country ending in –stan we can find.

But he definitely won't. Absolutely. I'm positive about this. Stop suggesting otherwise. Football coaches have to take team morale into account when they craft their public statements and have to keep their hotshot freshmen on their toes to keep them focused. That doesn't mean we have to believe them.

*(By this I mean Forcier's 10/13 + 50 yards rushing + 5 TDs in 2009 versus Nick Sheridan's interception-fest in 2008.)

Comments

mad magician

August 19th, 2009 at 12:33 PM ^

The original plan for the '04 opener was a good old fashioned QB rotation. Gutierrez would start, but Henne would see time in the second quarter. The coaches were hoping one would emerge as the clear cut starter, and Gutierrez was the heir apparent, but they decided Henne was too good to redshirt or keep on the bench. It wasn't until game week (maybe even as late as Thursday or Friday) that Gutierrez's throwing shoulder fell apart and Henne was pressed into full time starting QB. There were some rumors flying around the tailgates that this was the case, but most people did not know until they saw the offense take the field. It was a memorable moment.

petered0518

August 19th, 2009 at 12:39 PM ^

While I entirely agree with Brian's points about the two QBs, the unknown factor is injuries. Yes Yes, i read the statistics about running quarterbacks not necessarily being injured more. That being said, i have seen both nick and tate in person and Sheridan is way way bigger right now. Sheridan may end up seeing the field just to protect Tate from the rigors of a full game.

Heinous Wagner

August 19th, 2009 at 12:42 PM ^

This year's quarterback triumvirate will be an improvement over the wreckage of last year, and that includes Sheridan. All three will get their share of playing time. The thing I don't want to see is changing quarterbacks on alternate downs stuff.

lhglrkwg

August 19th, 2009 at 12:52 PM ^

i'd love for there to be a big10 hockey conference one day with penn state and illinois but imagine the power conference that would create. no other conference would even compare in strength. B10 would have michigan, MSU (usually good), OSU, probably Notre Dame, Minnesota, Wisconsin, PSU & Illinois. all of the current D1 clubs are for the most part consistent tourney teams. if i were PSU, i might be discouraged by the prospect of having an 0-20 conference record for the first 10 years of varsity status. besides the fact that it would decimate the ccha to the extent that northern would be a power school in conference again even though it'd be sweet to see hockey on the BTN all the time, i'd rather see PSU join the ccha one day and leave it that way

VictorsValiant09

August 19th, 2009 at 11:30 PM ^

Yes, it would be a super conference, but assume that it was formed and UAH would somehow join the rest of the remaining CCHA member schools down the line. I know I'm assuming too much (wishful thinking), but assume also that Notre Dame and Miami stay in the CCHA: you'd still have powers/big draws there. WCHA would still have North Dakota, Denver, etc. to stabilize their conference, with their incoming members. The bylaws state that in order for their to be a Big Ten hockey conference, you need six schools, and even without Notre Dame, there'd be the possibility for other Big Ten schools to join down the line. And the Big Ten schools could always play CCHA/WCHA rivals in non-conference play. I don't know, I mean if I was in charge of this, my goal would be to generate more interest in college hockey beyond the small, dedicated fanbase, and I think that's what this would do. It might be a detriment to some, but think about the national exposure/respect it could create. And that could maybe up the membership of D1 in the future. A fan can dream I guess.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

August 19th, 2009 at 12:57 PM ^

"If Sheridan has improved immensely during the spring, summer, and first few days of preseason and he outright beats both Forcier and Robinson, shouldn't that be encouraging?" Occam's Razor says no. Sheridan is a known quantity. Tate and Denard, much less so. If the quarterbacks line up and Sheridan shakes out as #1, it requires a lot less of a leap of faith to assume that's because Tate didn't develop as well as we thought than it does to assume Sheridan suddenly turned into a brilliant quarterback. Besides, if Sheridan was doing that well, it would be reported somewhere.

ptmac

August 19th, 2009 at 1:00 PM ^

I am glad someone else out there is thinking along the same lines. Your logic makes a lot of sense. Brian's emotional response, echoed by most of the board, of "oh God no please not sheridan, b/c sheridan = death." is not something i believe coach Rod feels. Don't get me wrong, Brian does provide evidence for his position. But, it is to justify his kneejerk reaction.

jwfsouthpaw

August 19th, 2009 at 2:17 PM ^

Have we all forgotten--or excised from our memories, more likely--just how terrible the QB play was last season? Brian's opinion is not a kneejerk reaction but rather a qualified viewpoint accounting for historical data. Last year, Sheridan struggled to properly lead receivers on bubble screens. He could not make downfield throws. The stats speak for themselves. As Brian pointed out (and several threads/diaries have discussed), the average true freshman QB finishes with better numbers. And as Brian also pointed out, Sheridan was a redshirt sophomore last year, so he has theoretically reached some of whatever untapped potential he had coming out of high school. I have no doubt that Sheridan is improved. Rodriguez has stated that his throws have been crisper and his reads faster. And with a deep offensive line, healthy runningbacks, and another year in the system, Sheridan could well lead Michigan to some victories this year. But Tate has the better arm, good poise (according to teammates), and much better legs. Just having him on the field as a running threat opens up more of the offense; with Sheridan, defenses can simply key on the runningbacks. I have to agree with Brian. Per usual.

ptmac

August 19th, 2009 at 2:54 PM ^

but, yes, it is a kneejerk reaction. "Brian's opinion is not a kneejerk reaction but rather a qualified viewpoint accounting for historical data." Read the response to the letter again: kneejerk reaction, justification, then a conclusion that eliminates the possibility of sheridan starting. Moreover, he, and many posters have the same reaction all over this board. sheridan = death. hehe funny hehe. "the average true freshman QB finishes with better numbers" The average freshmen qb does not have better numbers, b/c he is on the sideline. "And as Brian also pointed out, Sheridan was a redshirt sophomore last year, so he has theoretically reached some of whatever untapped potential he had coming out of high school." I will grant you "some of his potential" was reached. That's not saying too much. There can be a marked improvement over the course of a qb career. Griese and Brady are a couple that come to mind that made major strides between their junior and senior seasons. That was within the same offensive scheme. Sheridan had to learn a new scheme. I agree with the rest of your post. Sheridan was really bad last year. More than the stats, he just looked like he was in high school or on an IM team. I also believe that Sheridan has improved. I really hope that Forcier does start and is awesome. But I hope and wish for a lot of things about Michigan football that don't come true. When Sheridan takes the field this fall I am confident he will be much better than he was last year. He will have a better offensive line, better players around him, more comfort in the system, more practice experience, and be more mature. He won't be great, but I don't buy Sheridan = Death. "I have to agree with Brian. Per usual." Then don't bother posting. I would rather read something original.

jwfsouthpaw

August 19th, 2009 at 3:13 PM ^

Just because two people happen to agree on a basic premise (here: that Sheridan has no business starting a game this season) does not mean that each cannot present a different perspective or justification. I prefer to think that Tate's versatility in the offense, combined with a stronger and more accurate arm, make him the best candidate. Brian's post generally focused on Sheridan's statistics and play from last year. I just find it interesting that you equate "I agree with Brian that Sheridan should not start this season for Michigan" with "don't bother posting." I mean, plenty of others have made similar statements today, and I enjoy reading their viewpoints, even if their conclusion is no different from Brian's. We're all here to discuss Michigan football. And while original thoughts and insight are wonderful, I think many of us also like to get a sense of the fan base's perspective as a whole.

EZMIKEP

August 19th, 2009 at 8:11 PM ^

"And while original thoughts and insight are wonderful, I think many of us also like to get a sense of the fan base's perspective as a whole." Too many whining, bitching & flat out pissy people on here. You like most on here just wanna talk football regardless as long as its not fluff or stupid content. Yet a lot of people get on here and just bitch bitch bitch about what people post. Sometimes its fair. Most times its not. Its extremely old hat.

wolverine1987

August 19th, 2009 at 1:06 PM ^

He said he would be ok with Sheridan starting the first couple of games provided that he "IMPROVED IMMENSELY" and therefore "outright beats out" Forcier- in camp, not for the full season. He asked a hypothetical, and Brian responded by saying his hypothetical scenario was impossible and will never happen. I agree that it will not happen either, but to answer the guy's question: yes, in your hypothetical, I would be fine with Sheridan starting the first couple of games. But I would conversely be disappointed as well that Forcier wasn't able to beat Sheridan.

Bleedin9Blue

August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 PM ^

I agree that the hypothetical wasn't directly addressed, instead the idea that the hypothetical presented was addressed. When you think about it, you could present this hypothetical with any player. If Coner suddenly "IMPROVED IMMENSELY" then would he play? Of course he would, but when you consider the probability of this happening and of Forcier not improving enough from his high school time to now to overcome that improvement, the odds of that happening are miniscule.

Undefeated dre…

August 19th, 2009 at 1:51 PM ^

Gutierrez won the starting job in camp, then it was revealed he basically blew up his shoulder in the process. So Henne became the 'emergency' starter. Recall many Lloyd quotes from the get-go about how he 'loved' Chad Henne. I was always suspicious that Carr loved Henne all along, but felt loyal to a veteran and wanted him to start the 1st game of the season (recall how it took a while for Hart to break through).

Suavdaddy

August 19th, 2009 at 2:36 PM ^

For the Sheridan pass in the Miami of Ohio game. Can't remember it, but it was perfect. I remember thinking what in the F are you doing. Someone who throws like that in College will never be good. Take that to the bank.

pjrodrig

August 19th, 2009 at 2:45 PM ^

Clausen completed 56.3% of his passes for 1,254 yards, with 7 touchdowns (plus two rushing TDs) and 6 interceptions in 2007. He was sacked 34 times in 9 starts. His two year stats compare quite well against those of Stafford & McCoy after their first years.

NJWolverine

August 19th, 2009 at 3:23 PM ^

His awful numbers notwithstanding, Sheridan's problem is that he has no talent to speak of. No arm, no legs, no elusiveness. He brings absolutely nothing to the table other than the fact that he knows the offense. Even if he knows the offense better, he'll still be ineffective even if he knows where to go now. The throws will still be weak and crooked. He'll still get tackled because he's too slow and takes forever to accelerate. Look, if Sheridan gets any time, it will be a ringing condemnation of both Forcier and Robinson. Problem is, both Forcier and Robinson are true frosh. Both will not be even close to knowing the offense come game time. Both will make mistakes reading defenses. But both should be a severe upgrade simply because they actually bring some skills to the table. Count me in as one who is not certain Forcier will be the starter at the end of the season. If he makes bad reads, the smarter course of action is to just use Robinson's athleticism since there will be no QBs who can throw the ball. If Robinson fails to display his athleticism or if he can't make basic option reads, then that will be on him. Forcier has a long way to go before proving he can be the starter. Remember, it's always easier to run than to read defenses and zip passes down the middle to inexperienced receivers. Regardless of regime, that fact remains the same.

RodneyGoBlue

August 19th, 2009 at 3:36 PM ^

If I see #8 line up under center on Sept. 5 I think panic might set in. I will get heart burn and my face will turn red with anger. I will probably scream and scare my neighbors.

Wide Open

August 19th, 2009 at 3:55 PM ^

The windows at Skeepers fortunately came to be known less for being broken by Brian Griese, and more for allowing two hot co-eds to flash me from outside.... OMG I miss college sometimes.

mgovictors23

August 19th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^

It's nice to know that Sheridan has gotten somewhat better. That being said I don't want to see the guy in there this year though. We got our quarterbacks that can run the offense, we need to get them game experience.

wiscwood

August 19th, 2009 at 7:21 PM ^

This post may be a little off topic. Nick Sheridan is not a dummie, unlike Steve Threet, who I happen to like. After gaining a quality Michigan degree, Nick Sheridan is planning on coaching someday. He knows he is not "The Guy" at Michigan. He is gathering information, techniques, and skills from the UM coaching staff. His dad is a coach and he has been taught not to give up on your obligations. Threet could have done this too, but thought he was good enough to play QB at another school. I happen to disagree with Threet's actions. He should have followed through at Michigan. He could have been a leader and teacher here. But Sheridan will be an offensive coordinator somewhere, someday. He'll cut his teeth in college, and with his dad's connections he'll get an NFL coaching position. I don't think this is too far fetched. It is a sound plan that is very possible. I wish him the best in his endeavors. As everyone else has said, I DO NOT want to see Nick under center this fall. Unless it is for mop up snaps after Forcier/D. Robinson have whipped OSU's butt 45-7.

ShockFX

August 21st, 2009 at 11:49 AM ^

Nick Sheridan is not a dummie, unlike Steve Threet, who I happen to like.
Yet he's calling someone he's never met dumb because he disagrees with his choice. Despite Threet's 4.0gpa in HS and the fact he was his classes valedictorian.
His dad is a coach and he has been taught not to give up on your obligations. Threet could have done this too, but thought he was good enough to play QB at another school.
By inference Threet gave up on his obligations because he's a selfish prima donna that wants to be the man elsewhere. Additionally, his obligations, what he signed up for, was to the pro-style offense behind Lloyd Carr and Scot Loeffler. Let's not act like he should sit on the bench for 3 years to appease you. Also, he was good enough to play QB for a year at Michigan (maybe not super well, but he was an injured RS freshman in a system not suited for him), so it's possible he's good enough to play QB elsewhere, and it's his right to find this out if he so desires.
I happen to disagree with Threet's actions. He should have followed through at Michigan. He could have been a leader and teacher here.
I think he did follow through by sticking it out a year, then in seeing the incoming freshman QBs realize where the ship was heading, and want to try something else. Yeah, maybe he could be a leader and teacher, but I don't think anyone here would want to spend 3 years knowing you have no shot at playing. Romanticizing about hard work and whatever aside, Steven Threet isn't suddenly going to be a dual threat QB and run a 4.55. The reason it's the worst post ever is I doubt the guy even realizes how backhanded it was to Threet, but he says he likes Threet as if that makes it ok.