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|13 hours 3 min ago||Sparty went 1-8 in B1G, they||
Sparty went 1-8 in B1G, they literally erased the gap with everyone except Rutgers this year.
Agree that we were even with OSU. But then we had a senior experienced team whereas they had a ton of new guys.
Yes, Saban was a failure as a pro coach. We're talking college and Saban is dominating college football right now. There are all sorts of college and NFL coaches whose success didnt translate to one or the other.
Harbaugh does need more time before we really know how successful he is. Saban won a NC in his 4th year at LSU. NC in his 3rd year at AL. And 5th, 6th, 9th and maybe 10th seasons. So...yeah, if we win the NC 4 of the next 7 seasons Harbaugh will match Saban has done at AL in his first 9 years.
Meyer went 9-3 in his 2nd year at BGSU. He went 12-0 in his 2nd year at Utah. He went 13-1 and won a NC in his 2nd year after succeeding Zook at Florida. He went 13-1 w/ another NC in his 4th year. Finished 13-1 and 3rd in his 5th year. He went 12-0 his first year at OSU and 14-1 with a NC in his 3rd year. He is 61-5 at OSU, a record that would require Harbaugh winning the next 41 straight games to match. We can quibble about who inhereted what at various stops etc but those two have exceptional track records of very rapid high level success and national championships. I guess we'll see. But I think you're downplaying how insanely successful those two coaches have been.
|13 hours 56 min ago||Yes, this is correct. Clear||
Yes, this is correct. Clear violation. The definition of designation as a coach under NCAA regulations is based solely on how you describe yourself in your twitter handle.
|14 hours 49 sec ago||Harbaugh is proven as||
Harbaugh is proven as probably the best coach in the business at building a program/team from the ground up.
I'm sure I'll get negged to hell for Harbaugh heresy, but In terms of best in the business, just, no. Saban is about to win his 6th national championship in his last 12 seasons as a college coach. Think about that, he's winning national championships at an every other year rate.
Meyer has 3 national championships and 5 conference championships. Harbaugh has a Super bowl loss, 0 conference championships and 0 national championships. Love Harbaugh and the future is very bright but at some point you have to be rational about it. Argument to be made that he is the 3rd best coach and I'll buy that. But the gaps between 1 and then 2 and then every one else are pretty large. I think he can do it, but Harbaugh still has a lot to prove.
|14 hours 19 min ago||source/link?||
|16 hours 10 min ago||I've never understood why we||
I've never understood why we didn't have better backs this...century? Since ATrain left it's pretty much just Mike Hart. Like Touissant and D. Smith etc had their moments. Chris Perry was very good his senior year. But yeah, overall, especially for a program that's always emphasized the run our RBs have not been great recently.
|16 hours 25 min ago||Right, Braylon was moved to a||
Right, Braylon was moved to a 3 star from a 2 star late in the cycle by Rivals which was the only game in town at that point really as 247 and Scout were starting up right after that. Recruiting was a bit different back then though as there were a lot more sleepers because you didnt have all of the camps, all-star games and widespread video of players that we have now. Obviously Walker/Terrell were very hyped recruits and Avant was top 100. Breaston would have been like a low top 100 recruit. If I recall correctly, it's been a long time.
|16 hours 29 min ago||No. They're good college||
No. They're good college receivers and 2nd team all B1G types or whatever they were. But they're not like All-American caliber players like a Braylon or David Terrell or Toomer or Desmond or Derrick Alexander in 92 etc. That's the sort of level we are talking about and Darboh/Chesson are good but not close to that.
And let's be honest, Chesson had a disappointing senior year. Yeah, we played with a lot of leads and he sort of never clicked with Speight. But 2.5 receptions/game for 40 yards/game is not what we were hoping to get out of him this year.
|16 hours 34 min ago||Yeah, I mean I have fond||
Yeah, I mean I have fond memories. But true, it has been too long.
|16 hours 38 min ago||You would have felt better if||
You would have felt better if you had gone past 2003.
2002: Avant, Breaston and Carl Tabb
2000: Calvin Bell and Jermaine Gonzalez. Ok, maybe not this year so much.
1999: Ron Bellamy, Tyrese Butler, Brent Cummings
1998: Terrell and Walker
OK, that's about as far back as I remember but we used to recruit a lot better. But yeah, since Avant/Breaston left it is basically Manningham and not really anyone else at a high level.
|19 hours 4 min ago||I see: 1 loss conference||
1 loss conference champion CLemson passes 1 loss non-champ OSU
2 loss conference champion PSU passes 2 loss Michigan that stomped them
1 loss OSU is in but 2 loss PSU is out.
My conclusion is that they are saying conference championships are important but not important enough to outweigh an extra loss. Though I am not quite sure how to reconclie that with UW at 4. Should have been UW at 3 and OSU at 4. But whatever. Probably the message there being to schedule someone in OOC as UW had no decent games and Clemson had @Auburn while OSU had @Oklahoma. So...yeah.
|19 hours 19 min ago||I dunno why people are||
I dunno why people are torturing themselves by watching a show where good things are going to happen to bad annoying football programs (with the exception of UW).
|21 hours 12 min ago||We wouldn't demolish UW. We'd||
We wouldn't demolish UW. We'd be favorites by a TD and I like the matchup. But they didn't get to be 12-1 and demolish that same CO team by 31 points by being mediocre. Time to start giving them some credit for actually being a pretty good team.
|21 hours 39 min ago||There's also a non-CFP bowl||
There's also a non-CFP bowl selection show that is 2 hours long on ESPNU starting at 4PM Eastern. But anyway, word will probably start leaking out anyway to the media before then.
|21 hours 41 min ago||It's a 4 hour show on ESPN||
It's a 4 hour show on ESPN starting at 12 Eastern today. So....330ish?
|21 hours 44 min ago||The loss of perspective and||
The loss of perspective and glorification of football over basic expectations for moral conduct is how the institution and staff (besides Sandusky) got into trouble in the first place. Renewed success at football doesn't change that at all. To suggest otherwise shows that perspective is still lacking.
Also, there is no healing without accountability and if they ever hope to move past that scandal as a program it will necessitate coming to terms with Paterno's (and others') grievious failings. He certainly did a lot of other good works in his life, but his silence and the obvious reason for his inaction, is not a failing that can be mitigated or forgiven. The fact that a statue can still be under consideration for a man who facilitated the molestations of a child rapist by ignoring his crimes shows the complete disconnect in their fan base for any sort of responsibility or recognition of his egregious behavior. Sad.
|22 hours 22 min ago||Sure I can. Fancystats||
Sure I can. Fancystats concurs. Just because one team beat another in one game doesn't necessarily mean they are better overall. Do you think Iowa is better than us? Pitt better than Clemson? PSU better than OSU? Sometimes the inferior team wins the game. Just my opinion, but subjectively I think we are 2nd best. Home field is worth 3.5 points anyway and we tied in regulation. I mean, whatever, doesn't matter, we're not getting in. I do think the margin between M, OSU, UW and Clemson is fairly small, but obviously only one of those teams has 2 losses.
Clemson doesn't deserve much. They've skated by with close wins over meh teams for much of the year. That Louisville win isn't looking as good anymore after they lost to Houston by 26 and Kentucky. They're a good team but when you watch them play, they are not one of the 4 most impressive teams. In my opinion.
|1 day 7 hours ago||That would be great. Add us,||
That would be great. Add us, PSU, WI and USC or Oklahoma. USC is better but OK would get in off of their 2 losses and conference championship. Honestly, the margin between the teams that get in in UW/OSU/Clemson and those left out like M/WI/PSU/USC is pretty thin and just a few plays here or there. 7 games of playoff football instead of 3.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Why do people keep saying||
Why do people keep saying like "Hoke players" or "once Harbaugh gets talent then xyz"? This team had a shitload of talent, Hoke recruits or not, and the NFL draft is about to verify that when we have the most players drafted of any school. It's not at all a certainly that future Harbaugh teams are going to be more talented. Yeah, we'll probably be better in the OL as they weren't that good. We'll probably also be worse in the DL and secondary than this team which was really exceptional.
|1 day 7 hours ago||2014, any chance you can take||
2014, any chance you can take us back in your time machine to oh say November 11th? It's only 3 weeks ago today. Back then, we were 9-0 and #2. Now we are 10-2 and #5 or #6. It seems so long ago but it was just a mere 3 weeks. I'd pretty much just like a do over for everything from that point on. K thx bye.
|1 day 7 hours ago||How it should||
How it should be:
What the committee will say:
OSU at 4 may well not happen but I'm throwing it out there. Committee penalizes them for not winning a conference and getting in over B1G champ by sticking them with Alabama in the first game. Setting up 2014 rematch and then 2015 rematch with Clemson in the championship. PSU ahead of us is dumb, but the world has short attention spans and recency bias.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Agreed. Clemson keeps getting||
Agreed. Clemson keeps getting by in sketchy ways. They are 6-1 in games decided by a TD or less. Talking heads will say that is clutch or some such bullshit, but there is a mountain of evidence across all sports that winning a lot of close games is just lucky/random and not sustainable.
Clemson's defense is rickety. UW hasn't played a tough schedule but they've performed well and played quite well away from Seattle with wins @Utah, @WSU and vs CO. There's no way that Clemson gets left out but if we were truly picking the 4 best teams it would be M and OSU for 2 and 3 and then UW at 4 while Clemson can go off and play PSU in the Teams I Hate Bowl.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Perhaps based on having one||
Perhaps based on having one fewer loss, not losing to Pitt, not losing to us by 39 points, actually beating us (kind of), having a good non-conference road win @Oklahoma, beating WI on the road instead of neutral, curb-stomping Nebraska by 87 touchdowns, etc.
Also, not having a fanbase that idolizes a piece of shit scumbag who aided and abetted a child molester in remaining free for years by intentionally covering up his crimes to protect his football program is a significant point in their favor. In my opinion. It makes me sick that I have to root for the fucking Buckeyes but no fanbase is more deserving of being handed a steaming pile of shit than the Nitwits.
|1 day 8 hours ago||I'll watch because I care||
I'll watch because I care about Michigan football more than I should. But can't get excited about this disappointing outcome. Interest level is like...4/10. Hard to convince myself this is exciting when we were so close to truly meaningful games.
|1 day 11 hours ago||I dunno man. If we could have||
I dunno man. If we could have hit FGs that game would have been a comfortable win. Their defense is stout but they really couldn't move the ball at all on us. And if we'd hit FGs they would have had to pass more to catch up and that would have probably benefited us and extended the game and final margin. They're good but I think we are more than slightly better.
|1 day 11 hours ago||OSU's fault. They blew a game||
OSU's fault. They blew a game where they clearly dominated PSU with some stupid special teams plays. PSU = 4th best B1G team. Which....god it is horrible that i would actually rather have something good happen to OSU, but fuck PSU and their Paterno Cult.
|1 day 11 hours ago||It's not clear at all that if||
It's not clear at all that if we had beat Iowa we would be in. OSU and AL would still be in ahead of us after the OSU loss. We'd still be idle this week while UW and Clemson are 1 loss conference championship teams. I mean, maybe. Clemson probably passes us. UW hmmm, dunno.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Why would the Board melt||
Why would the Board melt down? There's no difference between 5th and 6th.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Uncatchable. Meh. VT||
Meh. VT sucks.
Fuck the world.
|1 day 13 hours ago||That theory doesn't make any||
That theory doesn't make any sense. If the committee wanted us in in over UW, then the committee surely would have had us at 4 this week and UW at 5. All of the stated reasons for choosing us were available for consideration last week and we were still ranked behind them. They can't rank UW higher, have them win a conference championship in a blowout (by a larger margin on neutral field than our home win over CO) and then have us pass them while we're idle. They'd be heavily criticized for how stupid that looks. If they were hellbent on having M in we would have been 4 this week. It's over.
|1 day 13 hours ago||So 10-2 WI beats 10-2 #7 PSU||
So 10-2 WI beats 10-2 #7 PSU by whatever score. Probably not that much because their offense is pretty meh. And 11-1 UW beats 10-2 #8 CO by 31. Both have conference championships now. Both have added wins over 10-3 teams. And now WI will pass UW based on what?
You're right, it's just an opinion w/ zero inside knowledge. Well, except that since the committee publishes their rankings weekly, we already know that they had UW ahead of WI. The other fact is that UW just killed CO on national TV. So my argument is premised on the facts that UW was ranked ahead of both PSU/WI coming into this weekend and posted a dominating win. UW has 1 loss and the B1G CCG winner will have 2 losses. UW was ahead already in the rankings and had a blowout win. Explain what WI can do to pass them? What's the support for your opinion? Win by 70 is about the only plausible reason you can come up with for WI jumping UW and their offensive performance year to date indicates that's not happening. You act like there is no prior context or knowledge of how the committee feels when comparing these two teams but last weeks rankings tell you exactly that. UW was 4. WI was 6.
Ummm...is there any way we can bet on this? Because I would love to take my chances on my opinion vs yours.